The Rapture

[Bladerunner]

My pastor is older than you and he would disagree with you, so the age argument doesn't fly.
I have read Matthew 24 many times, and you say it mentions nothing of Him staying on earth, well how about:

Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That certainly mentions it. How do you explain that? Let me guess, the foot touch the mount of olives and go right back up and bring a spiritual presence of some sort? And the escaping there is escape from sin or something

And it you read Josephus and place his works over the Bible, then where will your soul be? Man over GOD!

 

[Bladerunner]

how were OT saints saved according to your view????????

You have been told several times but you will not accept it.... During an event called the Rapture. The 'Dead in Christ' will FIRST, then those that alive. Those Dead in Christ will be all the OT and NT saints up into the Rapture. There will be NO true believers on the whole earth immediately after the Rapture. The only bodies that will be left in the ground are those that will be resurrected (the 2nd), at the White Throne Judgement.

 

[Denadii]

There isn't one. In fact there are no verses for a 7 year tribulation either, nor "The Antichrist".

I didn't think there was one. Which makes me wonder why some folks are mid- tribbers? I know that there is no verses about the antichrist. That's just what we call him...We do know there is such a man. He is called the man of sin. As for the seven years of tribulation At the beginning of the tribulation period. The man of sin sets up a contract with the Jews that they can build their temple, and resume blood sacrifice. and then half way through the tribulation period (42 weeks later) He breaks the contract and sets himself up as god in the temple. 1,290 days. Revelation 13 shows how he sets up an image of himself, and forces people to worship him for the next 42 weeks. This makes a total of 84 weeks or seven years

 

[Denadii]

You have been told several times but you will not accept it.... During an event called the Rapture. The 'Dead in Christ' will FIRST, then those that alive. Those Dead in Christ will be all the OT and NT saints up into the Rapture. There will be NO true believers on the whole earth immediately after the Rapture. The only bodies that will be left in the ground are those that will be resurrected (the 2nd), at the White Throne Judgement.

Bladerunner...I would suggest the bible as a source of information. You need to read it as it says it. What you have written here does NOT agree with that bible.

 

[VCO]

[/INDENT]
Not one person in the OT was looking forward to the cross, not one. The cross was hidden from the minds of men until God revealed it unto them after the fact.

I do not make things up, true Believer of the O.T. were looking forward to a Messiah.

EVERY SACRIFICE in the Temple was a picture Prophecy of the ultimate Sacrifice to come.

Even Abraham offering up Isaac, and God providing the ram, was a picture prophecy of th ultimate Sacrifice to Come.

In Judaism, messiah (Hebrew: מָשִׁיחַ‎, translit. māšîaḥ‎; Greek: χριστός, translit. khristós, lit. 'anointed, covered in oil') is a title for a savior and liberator of the Jewish people. The concept of messianism originated in Judaism,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and in the Hebrew Bible, a messiah is a king or High Priest traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil.[SUP][3][/SUP] However, messiahs were not exclusively Jewish, as the Hebrew Bible refers to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, as a messiah[SUP][4][/SUP] for his decree to rebuild the Jerusalem Temple.
In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and World to come.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח‎, translit. melekh mashiach‎) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic.[SUP][6]

[/SUP]In Jewish eschatology the term mashiach, or "Messiah", came to refer to a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah", or, in Hebrew, מלך משיח (melekh mashiach), and, in Aramaic, malka meshiḥa.[SUP][6]

[/SUP]
The Talmud extensively discusses the coming of the Messiah (Sanhedrin 98a–99a, et al.) and describes a period of freedom and peace, which will be the time of ultimate goodness for the Jews.
Tractate Sanhedrin contains a long discussion of the events leading to the coming of the Messiah, for example:

R. Johanan said: When you see a generation ever dwindling, hope for him [the Messiah], as it is written, "And the afflicted people thou wilt save."[II Samuel 22:28] R. Johanan said: When thou seest a generation overwhelmed by many troubles as by a river, await him, as it is written, "When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him;" which is followed by, "And the Redeemer shall come to Zion."

R. Johanan also said: The son of David will come only in a generation that is either altogether righteous or altogether wicked. in a generation that is altogether righteous, — as it is written, "Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever." Or altogether wicked, — as it is written, "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor;" and it is [elsewhere] written, "For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it."[SUP][9][/SUP]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_in_Judaism

Psalm 78:35 (HCSB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] They remembered that God was their rock, the Most High God, their Redeemer.

Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.


Luke 2:9-17 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And this will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”


Psalm 2:2-3 (GW)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Kings take their stands. Rulers make plans together against the LORD and against his Messiah by saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] “Let's break apart their chains and shake off their ropes.” [SUP]15 [/SUP] When the angels went away from them into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let us go over to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And they went with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby lying in a manger.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And when they saw it, they made known the saying that had been told them concerning this child.

Daniel 9:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

 

[VCO]

So let me ask a question here...It does have to do with the question at hand. Who is 'he that lets'? and Where is the antichrist in your stance on the when of the rapture? 2 Thessalonians 2

OH, you are still trying to use the KING JAMES, and that is the Hardest verse in the KJV to understand because of that archaic expression "the one who letteth will let". What it is saying (and it made perfect sense in the 1611 English language) was there is One who will only let Satan go so farm before HE stops him. Look at it in modern language Translation.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God. {Satan posessing a world dictator we call Antichrist.}
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,

It is the Holy Spirit in born again Christian that is the power holding back Satan from coming to full power as the Antichist. HOWEVER when the appointed time comes, GOD will take His Holy Spirit out of the was so that Satan can come to full power as the Antichrist on this EARTH.

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOING SOME WHERE OUT OF THE WAY, {probably heaven}, we will be going with HIM, because HE promised the Holy Spirit would be with us forever. That is another reason for the Rapture.


John 14:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16[/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;

 

[Denadii]

OH, you are still trying to use the KING JAMES, and that is the Hardest verse in the KJV to understand because of that archaic expression "the one who letteth will let". What it is saying (and it made perfect sense in the 1611 English language) was there is One who will only let Satan go so farm before HE stops him. Look at it in modern language Translation.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God. {Satan posessing a world dictator we call Antichrist.}
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I told you about this?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And you know what currently restrains ⌊him⌋, so that he will be revealed in his time.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,

It is the Holy Spirit in born again Christian that is the power holding back Satan from coming to full power as the Antichist. HOWEVER when the appointed time comes, GOD will take His Holy Spirit out of the was so that Satan can come to full power as the Antichrist on this EARTH.

IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOING SOME WHERE OUT OF THE WAY, {probably heaven}, we will be going with HIM, because HE promised the Holy Spirit would be with us forever. That is another reason for the Rapture.


John 14:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16[/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever;

So you're saying that the "He that Lets" Or as in the CJB [SUP]7 [/SUP]For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way." You're saying that's the Holy Spirit? Really?

Why would God take the Holy Spirit out of the world? Didn't we read that in the tribulation period there are people getting saved? If the Holy Spirit is gone? How would anybody get saved? Nobody can get saved without the Father draws them. John 6:44 So.....It cannot be the Holy
Spirit that restrains.... He is needed here during the tribulation....

 

[Jackson123]

I didn't think there was one. Which makes me wonder why some folks are mid- tribbers? I know that there is no verses about the antichrist. That's just what we call him...We do know there is such a man. He is called the man of sin. As for the seven years of tribulation At the beginning of the tribulation period. The man of sin sets up a contract with the Jews that they can build their temple, and resume blood sacrifice. and then half way through the tribulation period (42 weeks later) He breaks the contract and sets himself up as god in the temple. 1,290 days. Revelation 13 shows how he sets up an image of himself, and forces people to worship him for the next 42 weeks. This makes a total of 84 weeks or seven years

[h=1]1 John 2:18King James Version (KJV)[/h]18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[Katy-follower]

Christ's presence returned during the destruction of Jerusalem. He didn't stay and set up an earthly reign (read Mat 24:29-31 again, you will find no mention of Him staying). His return was essentially the same as it was when He appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus. The "Tribes of Israel" indeed mourned as they were all gathered in Jerusalem for Passover and they all saw Him as a bright light. This appearance of Christ was the same as when God made appearances all over the OT. He came in vengeance against those who did not believe Him and had Him crucified.

If you haven't read Josephus, I encourage you to do so before you go your whole life like VCO thinking that the great tribulation is future.

I know I've just jumped into this thread mid conversation. But wow!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying the Second coming has already happened, in 70AD?!!

You're a full preterist? (Or partial?)

2 Timothy 2:17-18.

 

[PlainWord]

Jesus used a lot of metaphors and similes in parables in order to teach..He did not use figurative speech in prophesy. Not never!

This, is figurative language used by Jesus to describe His divine punishment to come upon Jerusalem:

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

It means divine judgment. We see this same figurative language employed on at least 3 separate occasions in the OT:

1. Destruction of Egypt by the Babylonians (Eze 32)
2. Destruction of Babylon by the Medes (Isa 13)
3. Destruction of the Idumeans (Edom) by the Romans (Isa 34)

You need to recognize the figurative meaning of the sun and moon and what they represent. In short, they represent safety/security. We get this from Psalm 104:

[SUP]19 [/SUP]He appointed the moon for seasons; The sun knows its going down. [SUP]20 [/SUP]You make darkness, and it is night, In which all the beasts of the forest creep about. [SUP]21 [/SUP]The young lions roar after their prey, And seek their food from God. [SUP]22 [/SUP]When the sun rises, they gather together And lie down in their dens. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Man goes out to his work And to his labor until the evening.

When the sun and moon are "darkened" it means danger is looming. The presence of the sun and moon are good. The absence of their light is bad. In the below we see figuratively that the sun and moon's brightness "increases" when the Lord was with them, protecting them.

Isa 30: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, And the light of the sun will be sevenfold, As the light of seven days, In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people And heals the stroke of their wound.

The above cannot be taken literally because a seven fold increase in the intensity of the sun would kill everything on the planet.

 

[PlainWord]

I know I've just jumped into this thread mid conversation. But wow!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying the Second coming has already happened, in 70AD?!!

You're a full preterist? (Or partial?)

2 Timothy 2:17-18.

Don't throw 2 Tim 2:17-18 at me. The first resurrection had not yet come at the time Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy.

I don't like to use the term "Second Coming" because you will not find it in the Bible. It is also inaccurate to use it because Christ first appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus so technically that would have been the "second coming." Christ said He would return. But, He never said that He would return as a man, quite the opposite. The nature of Christ's return is as misunderstood as is the purpose and timing of it.

Nature: A fully glorified Christ would appear as an extremely bright light not as a glowing man as we often see falsely portrayed. The presence of God in the OT and in Mt 17:5 was also seen as a very bright light. Christ appeared to Saul (Paul) as a bright light on the road to Damascus. Paul recounts how bright the light was in Acts 26:13 calling it, "brighter than the sun." Paul tells us in 2 Thes 2 that the Lord will destroy the Man of Sin with "the brightness of His coming." The writer of Hebrews begins his book with the same description of the glorified Christ, "brightness of His glory...(who) sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high." In Rev 22:16 Jesus describes Himself as, "the Bright and Morning star." So, literally Christ after His ascension would appear to men on earth as an extremely bright light upon His return. Figuratively, Christ was called, "the Light of the World" so we have an interesting double meaning both figuratively and literally.

Purpose: To execute judgment wrath upon the wicked of Israel while protecting and rewarding the Saints. John the Baptist was the first to mention this judgment wrath to come in 66-70 AD in Mt 3:7. He aimed it straight at the Pharisees and Sadducees who would of course plot to kill and indeed did kill, the Messiah. In Lk 19:43-44 Christ Himself states that this punishment would be dished out by their enemies (the Romans) which of course happened in their near future. Then in Lk 21:20-24 Christ further discusses it and identifies it as "wrath upon this (Jewish) people" and refers to this period of time as, "the days of vengeance" but to His faithful He tells them to, "look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” In Rev 6:16-17 we see Christ's return identified as, "the great day of His wrath." He also returned to destroy the temple and thus end the practicing of the Law, the Levitical sacrifices and the Mosaic Age.

Timing: Christ gives the timing repeatedly. It is clear from the below passages that the timing would be in the same generation as those who did Him wrong. What good would it be to punish a generation thousands of years into the future for something THIS generation did????

Mt 16: [SUP]28 [/SUP]“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Mt 24: [SUP]33 [/SUP]So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! [SUP]34 [/SUP]Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Mt 26:[SUP] 64 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place.

Rev 1:3 ...for the time is near.

Rev 1: [SUP]7 [/SUP]Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.

Rev 3: [SUP]11 [/SUP]Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.

Rev 20: [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Behold, I am coming quickly!...[SUP]20 [/SUP]He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Paul in his various letters gives comfort to those suffering persecution and tells them of comfort to come to them, in their lifetimes. Nowhere does Paul imply that this comfort is reserved for their descendants thousands of years into the future. That would be no comfort at all.

So, unless one understands all three of the above, one might make a few miscalculations. The fact is, the historical record is filled with evidence of Christ's presence (parousia) return during the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[Muzungu256]

There isn't one. In fact there are no verses for a 7 year tribulation either, nor "The Antichrist".

what??????????? try 2 thessalonians 2:6-8 thats THE antichrist in my opinion...........

 

[PlainWord]

The down side of having Bibles that divide the Books into Chapters and Verses is that it tends to lead to tunnel vision. Matthew Chapter four is a case in point. There is a fixation with it that seems to ignore chapters 23 and 25 as if they dont exist. Also the idea of comparing 24 with Mark 13 and Luke 21 doesnt seem to ever occur to anyone.

Not sure I'm following you here dear brother. It is clear that the early church understood that Jesus was predicting the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem and that the Abomination of Desolation related to that period of time.

 

[PlainWord]

The parable of the 10 virgins is prophecy.

As were the wheat and tares and the kingdom to come.

 

[PlainWord]

At what point in that text does it say Jesus returned?

Book 2 Chapter 23 of Eusebius "History of the Church" foretells that Jesus was coming back soon and he quotes James, the brother of Christ:

Therefore when many even of the rulers believed, there was a commotion among the Jews and Scribes and Pharisees, who said that there was danger that the whole people would be looking for Jesus as the Christ. Coming therefore in a body to James they said, 'We entreat thee, restrain the people; for they are gone astray in regard to Jesus, as if he were the Christ. We entreat thee to persuade all that have come to the feast of the Passover concerning Jesus; for we all have confidence in thee. For we bear thee witness, as do all the people, that thou art just, and dost not respect persons. Do thou therefore persuade the multitude not to be led astray concerning Jesus. For the whole people, and all of us also, have confidence in thee. Stand therefore upon the pinnacle of the temple, that from that high position thou mayest be clearly seen, and that thy words may be readily heard by all the people. For all the tribes, with the Gentiles also, are come together on account of the Passover.' The aforesaid Scribes and Pharisees therefore placed James upon the pinnacle of the temple, and cried out to him and said: Thou just one, in whom we ought all to have: confidence, forasmuch as the people are led, astray after Jesus, the crucified one, declare to us, what is the gate of Jesus.' And he answered with a loud voice,' Why do ye ask me concerning Jesus, the Son of Man ? He himself sitteth in heaven at the right hand of the great Power, and is about to come upon the clouds of heaven.'[1] And when many were fully convinced and gloried in the testimony of James, and said, 'Hosanna to the Son of David,' these same Scribes and Pharisees said again to one another,' We have done badly in supplying such testimony to Jesus. But let us go up and throw him down, in order that they may be afraid to believe him.' And they cried out, saying, 'Oh! oh! the just man is also in error.' And they fulfilled the Scripture written in Isaiah, ' Let us take away the just man, because he is troublesome to us: therefore they shall eat the fruit of their doings.' So they went up and threw down the just man, and said to each other, 'Let us stone James the Just.' And they began to stone him, for he was not killed by the fall; but he turned and knelt down and said, 'I entreat thee, Lord God our Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.' And while they were thus stoning him one of the priests of the sons of Rechab, the son of the Rechabites, who are mentioned by Jeremiah the prophet, cried out, saying, 'Cease, what do ye? The just one prayeth for you. And one of them, who was a fuller, took the club with which he beat out clothes and struck the just man on the head. And thus he suffered martyrdom. And they buried him on the spot, by the temple, and his monument still remains by the temple. He became a true witness, both to Jews and Greeks, that Jesus is the Christ. And immediately Vespasian besieged them." These things are related at length by Hegesippus, who is in agreement with Clement.

 

[PlainWord]

..and here:

BEING THE
DEMONSTRATIO EVANGELICA
OF

EUSEBIUS OF CAESAREA​

"The Holy Scriptures foretell that there will be unmistakable signs of the Coming of Christ. Now there were among the Hebrews three outstanding offices of dignity,which made the nation famous, firstly the kingship, secondly that of prophet, and lastly the high priesthood. The prophecies said that the abolition and complete destruction of all these three together would be the sign of the (b) presence of the Christ. And that the proofs that the times had come, would lie in the ceasing of the Mosaic worship, the desolation of Jerusalem and its Temple, and the subjection of the whole Jewish race to its enemies. They suggest other signs of the same times as well, an abundance of peace, the overturning in nation and city of immemorial local and national forms of government, the |97 conquest of polytheistic and daemonic idolatry, the knowledge of the religion of God the one Supreme Creator. The holy oracles foretold that all these changes, which had (c) not been made in the days of the prophets of old, would take place at the coming of the Christ, which I will presently shew to have been fulfilled as never before in accordance with the predictions."
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[PlainWord]

“It is unbiblical to use the term ‘Antichrist’ for a present-day or future political ruler. The proper context is theological and pre-A. D. 70” (Gary DeMar, Last Days Madness, p.204).

 

[Issachar92]

PlainWord the texts you posted say Jesus is coming soon, not that anyone saw Him come yet and Eusebius writes long after 70A.D.
This is just sad, you have lost your blessed hope.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


Another thing is, I wanna ask yall how many of yall have EVER heard of or even known a single Christian who is preterist? I have not met ONE. And I know Christians from all over the world and have been all over from Nigeria to Israel to USA to Estonia to Romania and NOWHERE have I ever met a preterist, before I hopped on this forum I didn't even know what that was.
So that to me is a warning sign in itself, new and strange doctrines indeed.

PS: I couldn't care less about Gary DeMar he has no authority over me whatsoever.

 

[Ahwatukee]

PlainWord the texts you posted say Jesus is coming soon, not that anyone saw Him come yet and Eusebius writes long after 70A.D.
This is just sad, you have lost your blessed hope.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Another thing is, I wanna ask yall how many of yall have EVER heard of or even known a single Christian who is preterist? I have not met ONE. And I know Christians from all over the world and have been all over from Nigeria to Israel to USA to Estonia to Romania and NOWHERE have I ever met a preterist, before I hopped on this forum I didn't even know what that was.
So that to me is a warning sign in itself, new and strange doctrines indeed.

PS: I couldn't care less about Gary DeMar he has no authority over me whatsoever.

They just spiritualize end-time events which allows them to find fulfillment in everything in order to fit their belief. However, all of the prophesies concerning Christ were fulfilled literally and so also will those prophesies that are yet to come be fulfilled literally.

 

[PennEd]

PlainWord the texts you posted say Jesus is coming soon, not that anyone saw Him come yet and Eusebius writes long after 70A.D.
This is just sad, you have lost your blessed hope.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


Another thing is, I wanna ask yall how many of yall have EVER heard of or even known a single Christian who is preterist? I have not met ONE. And I know Christians from all over the world and have been all over from Nigeria to Israel to USA to Estonia to Romania and NOWHERE have I ever met a preterist, before I hopped on this forum I didn't even know what that was.
So that to me is a warning sign in itself, new and strange doctrines indeed.

PS: I couldn't care less about Gary DeMar he has no authority over me whatsoever.

I have to tell you. I was absolutely shocked when I first came here 4 years ago to learn that there was even a doctrine called preterism.

Since then, I have met a scattered few in person, one a Pastor, who although I'm not sure is a Preterist, does allegorize vast chuncks of Scripture.

I believe there is a HUGE danger in picking and choosing what to allegorize or not. Do we allegorize the Tree of Life, fallen Angels mating with human women, a burning bush, the parting of the sea, marching around a wall til it collapses, a single man destroying 1000 Philistines with the jawbone of an ass, a young man slaying a giant with a sling and a stone, 120,000 Assyrians slaughtered by a single Angel, a talking donkey, a man in a whale's belly 3 days, Jesus raising Lazarus and others from the dead, GOD COME IN THE FLESH, DYING FOR HUMANITY, RAISED TO LIFE AFTER 3 DAYS?..........

There is no end to the rationalizing, allegorizing game.

So I love my brothers and sisters who have trusted Jesus as their Lord and Savior, yet allegorize much of Prophecy, yet see a danger in promoting that view.