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KJV1611 said:
In the words of the bible, yes I do. I don't change the words when they disagree with what I THINK is right, I change my view.
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When you say Bible you only mean the KJV; so, you should say that. It sounds to me you have more faith in that certain version of the Bible than you di in the Spirit of truth. I admit some translations are better then others, but you should put 100% faith in a version of the Bible but only in Christ; the Spirit of truth is who leads us not certain versions of the Bible.
You sound like a Muslim who has absolute faith in the Quran as if it is the perfect verbatim world of Allah (God) which obviously is not. Why don't you goggle the problems the KJV has. I mean it is a good version, but it isn't better than the NIV, ESV or the Gideon Bible
 
Ahwatukee said:


My gosh! How messed up is KJV1611 in what he has proclaimed above! How deceiving and confusing his teaching is! No where in scripture, either in one place or combined, does scripture elude to entering into the kingdom of heaven by accepting the KJV. What did the apostles and the first century church do, who did not even have the NT scripture, much less the KJV? Because of this, will they not enter into the kingdom of heaven?
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It's mind blowing when you don't understand that there are 2 heavens isn't it... you think I'm a heretic and an idiot I'm sure lol. I think they spoke the same things about Jesus when he spoke of these things. I will put it like Jesus did - Art thou a master of Israel and knoweth not these things lol.
 
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Burninglight said:
When you say Bible you only mean the KJV; so, you should say that. It sounds to me you have more faith in that certain version of the Bible than you di in the Spirit of truth. I admit some translations are better then others, but you should put 100% faith in a version of the Bible but only in Christ; the Spirit of truth is who leads us not certain versions of the Bible.
You sound like a Muslim who has absolute faith in the Quran as if it is the perfect verbatim world of Allah (God) which obviously is not. Why don't you goggle the problems the KJV has. I mean it is a good version, but it isn't better than the NIV, ESV or the Gideon Bible
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What ever floats your boat friend.
 
KJV1611 said:
It's mind blowing when you don't understand that there are 2 heavens isn't it... you think I'm a heretic and an idiot I;m sure lol.
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I don't think your an idiot at all, but you do have strange views to just say the least not just compared to what us Christians believe in general but also according to the Scripture even the KJV of it.
I don't believe you go to a church or have an earthly pastor. If that is the case, you are a long ranger Christian meaning that is not a good place to be.
 
Burninglight said:
I don't think your an idiot at all, but you do have strange views to just say the least not just compared to what us Christians believe in general but also according to the Scripture even the KJV of it.
I don't believe you go to a church or have an earthly pastor. If that is the case, you are a long ranger Christian meaning that is not a good place to be.
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Hey as long as we love the Lord and love each other, we are OK. This other stuff passes away after a while.
 
KJV1611 said:
What ever floats your boat friend.
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What kind of response is that? It is not about what floats my boat; it is about reproving and exhorting with longs suffering and doctrine.

You have more than one Christian here telling you the same thing, but you persist to be in a world of your own. God doesn't work that way. We true followers of Christ all have the Spirit of Christ which is truth.

With all due respect, that means if you speak truth our spirit should bear witness with yours as well, but you are on your own. God doesn't work that way. Perhaps you should at least fast and pray about it.
 
Burninglight said:
What kind of response is that? It is not about what floats my boat; it is about reproving and exhorting with longs suffering and doctrine.

You have more than one Christian here telling you the same thing, but you persist to be in a world of your own. God doesn't work that way. We true followers of Christ all have the Spirit of Christ which is truth.

With all due respect, that means if you speak truth our spirit should bear witness with yours as well, but you are on your own. God doesn't work that way. Perhaps you should at least fast and pray about it.
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We have Christians in here that don't even understand that the kingdom heaven came 2000 years ago. How can I be reproved by someon who doesn't understand the basic tennants of Christianity?
 
KJV1611 said:
Hey as long as we love the Lord and love each other, we are OK. This other stuff passes away after a while.
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That just sounds like a cop out. If we love God and each other, we would submit to one another in Christ. God speaks to us often through other believers, but you have a long ranger self righteous attitude that may have its root in pride. Did it ever occurred to you that Jesus is trying to speak to your heart through us Christians who do love you?
 
Burninglight said:
That just sounds like a cop out. If we love God and each other, we would submit to one another in Christ. God speaks to us often through other believers, but you have a long ranger self righteous attitude that may have its root in pride. Did it ever occurred to you that Jesus is trying to speak to your heart through us Christians who do love you?
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When you're wrong about something, I'm not going to submit to your view. By the way, what in the world have I said that's so heretical that I need to be reproved? Is it because I said the KJV was inerrant, or was it born again and saved aren't the same, what is my LONE RANGER heresey?
 
KJV1611 said:
We have Christians in here that don't even understand that the kingdom heaven came 2000 years ago. How can I be reproved by someon who doesn't understand the basic tennants of Christianity?
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Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you, and it doesn't come with observation. I know there are Christians on here that may really be wolves in sheep clothing, but there are also true blue solid Christians on here that tell you the same as I am. Do you think us heretics? What Christians on this forum agree with you?
 
John 3:10 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Any ideas on why Jesus admonished Nicodemus on this? Why should he, being a master of Israel, why would he not understand this?
 
KJV1611 said:
When you're wrong about something, I'm not going to submit to your view. By the way, what in the world have I said that's so heretical that I need to be reproved? Is it because I said the KJV was inerrant, or was it born again and saved aren't the same, what is my LONE RANGER heresey?
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When someone is always right something is wrong.
 
Burninglight said:
Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within you, and it doesn't come with observation. I know there are Christians on here that may really be wolves in sheep clothing, but there are also true blue solid Christians on here that tell you the same as I am. Do you think us heretics? What Christians on this forum agree with you?
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I don't think anybody in here is unsaved or a heretic or wolves in sheeps clothing. I think there are people in here that don't know nearly as much about the bible as they think they do.

The things I'm telling you are true, and the understanding of them comes when you believe every word in your bible... if you don't, you will never understand these things. ANd IM done with this, I don't like to argue about things that don't matter. :)
 
Burninglight said:
When someone is always right something is wrong.
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I've never said I was never wrong, there are some things that I know and a lot of things that I don't know. I usually don't talk much about things that I don't fully understand. I was wrong yesterday and I applogized to all that I had said something wrong.
 
KJV1611 said:
I don't think anybody in here is unsaved or a heretic or wolves in sheeps clothing. I think there are people in here that don't know nearly as much about the bible as they think they do.
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And you think that doesn't include you?
KJV1611 said:
The things I'm telling you are true, and the understanding of them comes when you believe every word in your bible... if you don't, you will never understand these things. ANd IM done with this, I don't like to argue about things that don't matter. :)
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It is written: reprove a wise man and he'll love you for it, but you want to cop out of dealing with reproof or correction, because your mind is made up and you don't want to be bothered with the truth, but at least you know you're loved.
 
Sorry to butt in, but there really is seven layers of heaven. The expanse below the clouds, earth's atmosphere, then the expanse above the clouds which is outer space. Now the other five to my knowledge is way beyound outer space. They are in the light of the universe where the heavenly host dwell. The earth is where he rest his feet, outer darkness is where his knees rest.Lol. there are seven levels of the body. The feet, the legs, the knees,the thighs,the torso, the neck and the head.
 
KJV1611 said:
I've never said I was never wrong, there are some things that I know and a lot of things that I don't know. I usually don't talk much about things that I don't fully understand. I was wrong yesterday and I applogized to all that I had said something wrong.
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Okay, I hope I am wrong then. It is not what you don't know that seems to be the problem; it is what you do know.
 
KJV1611 said:
It is the KJV in English as far as I can tell, I've not seen another inerrant bible. I'm assuming that you don't believe any bible is inerrant... if that's the case then the word of God is whatever you want it to be, and if that's what folks want then I sure as heck don't care. I'm here to try and show people how to see and enter the kingdom of God, however most people are not interested at all.



John 3:5 KJV
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

The first step in understanding the difference between saved and born again is understanding that verse. I'm assuming that you think that means heaven where the Father is which requires salvation to enter in to. But what you probably don't understand, and this goes back to believing every word of God is RIGHT, is that there are 2 kingdoms of heaven... I will show you this and you still wont believe me because you think I'm an idiot and you know more than I do beacause I speak of things that you don't know about yet lol.

John 3:13 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jesus came down from heaven where the Father is. He then states that he is in heaven while he was on earth. You most likely, will "spritual mumbo jumbo" this away. But I believe it and there is only one way possible for the Son of man to leave heaven where the Father is and be in heaven on the earth... there are 2 heavens, 2 kingdoms of God. And this fact is beared out all through scripture.
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In Luke Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within you. Are the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God, two different things?

Luke 17 20-21

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
Burninglight said:
And you think that doesn't include you?
It is written: reprove a wise man and he'll love you for it, but you want to cop out of dealing with reproof or correction, because your mind is made up and you don't want to be bothered with the truth, but at least you know you're loved.
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Confront me where I'm wrong. You don't say anything when you come against me except that I'm wrong and you never even try to prove your side of the arguement.... why?
 
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