The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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You asked what the scripture tells us?
Well here is what is written in my Bible.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit,
explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
1 Corinthians 12:1
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
1 Corinthians 12:8
To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge
by means of the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that
what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
Numbers 11:25
Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit
that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—
but did not do so again.
Surely you have read the scripture and noticed that the power of the Holy Spirit was always available?
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
Well here is what is written in my Bible.
Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit,
explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
1 Corinthians 12:1
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
1 Corinthians 12:8
To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge
by means of the same Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that
what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
Numbers 11:25
Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the Spirit
that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—
but did not do so again.
Surely you have read the scripture and noticed that the power of the Holy Spirit was always available?
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.
In the theory of osas the believer can sin and God gives a wink.
"No sin can take away salvation."
Under that theory a believer could deny Christ and repent later.
IOW ALL martyrs for 2000 years died needlessly. They could deny Christ and believe their doctrine over rides Jesus words.
"If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father."
"No sin can take away salvation."
Under that theory a believer could deny Christ and repent later.
IOW ALL martyrs for 2000 years died needlessly. They could deny Christ and believe their doctrine over rides Jesus words.
"If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father."
The Apostle Paul enlightened us about this very topic which is the premises of this very thread.
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
4 For as touching those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance
Some OSAS take that position, but the correct position is they (those saved) instead of moving forward in trust not for salvation but for worthy walk went off course and moving away from a good and clear conscience back to condemnation.
Holding fast to faith and having a good (clear) conscience. By rejecting and thrusting from them [their conscience], some individuals have made shipwreck of their faith. (1 Tim 1:19, AMP)
Holding fast to faith and having a good (clear) conscience. By rejecting and thrusting from them [their conscience], some individuals have made shipwreck of their faith. (1 Tim 1:19, AMP)