I called to God to help me, I prayed and asked for His council. Paul did not answer. I thanked Him and asked HIM how may I serve HIM. It is His law that Jesus is the only teacher and HE is the only Father. Praise be to HIM, THE I AM!
The mark of Yah is clearly stated in Scripture:
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I ask you, where did Jesus put His faith? You must have faith in HIS Laws. That HE knows what he's doing.
Hello Hizikyah,
Paul also wrote the following:
"For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
The righteous requirements of the law were satisfied by Christ, fully and completely. Christ did not come to perpetuate the law, but to fulfill it i.e. bring it to its end. We are under a new covenant in the shed blood of Christ, saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law. We died with Christ and are no longer committed to the marriage of the law.
"And this is His commandment, that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another, just as He gave the commandment to us." (1 John 3:23)
The commandments that he speaks of are not the keeping of the works of the law, for no one is able to keep the law perfectly, which is what is required if one is under the law and not just parts of.
"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
You noticed that too, huh? I would also say that, writing every name in Hebrew is not going to provide more credibility to his claims. He appears to be of the same type who claim Christ only, while at the same time promoting the law.
Signs are for memorial laws, they are used to announce the coming of Christ in the flesh.The gospel beforehand.
Signs are for the rebellious Jew. Prophecy for those who do believe (have faith). This is like the example to the unbelieving Jew (no faith) that sought after a sign and refused to walk by faith (the unseen) . God gave them a personal one.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for "them" which believe.
There is no outward sign that we can perform that can wash away even one sin that has eternal consequences.
A sign on a hand represents the will of men. It acts as is sign in regard to a person’s will as a memorial for their minds. (between the eyes) .The last part of the verse (Exodus 13:9) ,explains it context.
That the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt ( last part of the verse you offered )
God does not have a literal hand He is Spirit and not a man as us. It’s simply saying guard the law by guarding your heart reminding them that God delivered them from Egypt.
Like all ceremonial laws as shadows they were used up until the reformation. They like the Sabbath cerimonila law for the memory as reminders are not something we can judge one another with.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
The reformation has come. We are under the new restored order as new creatures.(1 Corinthians 11) The apostate outward Jews that have not been born again that walk by sight are recognized as sign keepers.
It boils down, the unbelieving Jew (no faith) walks by sight after a sign and the Greek /Gentile seek after the wisdom of this world .the intellect of philosophies of men.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;But unto them which are called, both "Jews and Greeks", Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 1Co 1:18
It’s not man's wisdom (philosophy)that teaches us but which the Holy Ghost , Christ teaches us ; comparing spiritual things not seen, with spiritual, not seen. the faith principle. that both the outward Jew and the Gentile disregard in favor of their flesh
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Yes he did say that, "who rely on the works of the law are under a curse"
So easily answered and understood, only one not wanting to see can reject it; because he also said; (isolating is error, we must seek the whole council of Yah
Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
So growing up I was told this is where Jesus did away/did so you didn't have to the Law....
However when I got older and read for myself I realized this was the exact proof that the Law had no been done away.
but to fulfill them
Unless heaven and earth passes away
until all things are perfected
These three must be before the Law can be done away/destroyed/etc.
Have they all happened?
Matt 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
So lets walk through this;
"Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them"
"but to fulfill them"
So I'm told yep He fulfilled everything thus the Law (Instructions) of Yah are "destroyed/done away"....
So the first thing I find odd is the fact that He said 2 times, He DID NOT come to destroy he Law/prophets....
But lets look at "but to fulfill them"
Has He fulfilled everything written in the Law and the prophets that is for Him to fulfill?
There is a prophecy that says Yahshua (Jesus) will return, He has not YET fulfilled this;
Revelation 19:13-15:, "And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh."
So we can CLEARLY see He has not yet fulfilled ALL the Law and prophets, and you know what part of the Law He has not yet fulfilled? Judgement. (Came as a Lamb, returns as a Lion.)
These are Yahshua's (Jesus) words;
John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."
I know I know "JUSTIFIED BY WORKSSSSS!!!!!!" LOL, these are the WORDS OF THE SAVIOR.
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
"Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"
Has heaven and earth passed away? I will give you a minute to look out your window.......
No? Still there? So according to HIM, not me, Him, nothing will pass from the Law. (the real Sacifice is complete, and the Pristhood has taken on it true form, as Yahshua is the High Priest now.)
When will heaven and earth pass? Does Scripture give us a hint? Thank Yah, it does;
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.
Since He says, "Unless heaven and earth passes away..the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law"
So the prophecy of heaven and earth "passing" is not yet fulfilled, but clearly written, so how have the Law been thrown out?
A few more supporting verses;
Isayah 66:21-24, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh. And they will go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched; and they will be an abhorrence to all flesh."
Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
"will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected"
"until all things are perfected"
Have all things been perfected?
Is there still sin and death? Yeah? Then how have ALL things been perfected?
This is the perfection of all things;
Revelation 21:4-8 And Yahweh will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful.And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone--which is the second death."
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
I am not boasting in works, never have, implying this is falsehood, misdirection to distract from what im saying.
True, but ignoring, isolating,, or misrepresenting is also error.
and I post Scripture to prove a Sciptual point and this is your reply? OK.
All 7 Feast days have not yet been fulfilled...
Easy to call a righteous walk outward...
Its in the sig. May the truth be shouted from the rooftops!
Psalm 119:57 You are my portion, O יהוה ; I have promised to guard Your words.
Psalm 119:58 I have sought Your face with all my heart; Show me favour according to Your word.
Psalm 119:59 I have thought upon my ways, And turned my feet to Your witnesses.
Psalm 119:60 I have hurried, and did not delay To guard Your commands.
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
who is attempting to bring anyone in bondage to anything...? are you aware that Paul speaks of 7 different laws in his letters? any idea which law it is hes speaking of in relation to bondage? is it the same as this law being referenced here:Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
or perhaps this law is what hes speaking of:Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
see we cannot just assume each time the Koine greek word Nomos appears in these text its always the Torah referenced in the OT.