The mark of the beast?

[Hakawaka]

The false religion that drinks the blood of the saints rides the beast (which has all the power of the dragon) which has a false prophet that causes to worship the beast...
Am I missing in making the distinction between the false religion as the beast and the false prophet that causes to worship the beast? I'm having trouble pinpointing which one is the mystery of lawlessness.... so, walking through the characters again...
The harlot is the false religion that drinks the blood of the saints that rides the beast which has all the power of the dragon... and which has the wound that the false prophet causes to worship...
golly, I need a diagram at this point as its seeming to me that the false prophet is the antichrist beast, but I stop short of adopting that because these are thrown in the lake of fire together (while the harlot burns and her smoke goes up forever and ever)....

At any rate, whoever these are, just as the best policy in recognizing counterfeit bills, it best to know the genuine bill intimately.

The harlot is said to be a city.

Revelation 17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The city rides the beast, but the beast will turn on the city and burn it.

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The question then is: The beast of Revelation 17 and 13, is it the SEA beast or the LAND beast?
I say it is the sea beast because both have 10 heads/horns which represent ten kings.

Also notice the similarities between the sea beast and what Paul says in 2 Thessalonians 2.

 

[Hakawaka]

The beast is actually the offspring of the whore of Babylon, because she is the mother of all abominations. Compare her to holy Jerusalem above which is the mother of us all who are made righteous in Christ.

Based on this you would agree with me that Revelation is a story of two cities? Mystery babylon, the harlot, earthly Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem the heavenly one?

There is only one city that fits the criteria of having the blood of prophets in it, Jesus confirms it:

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 13:33
Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Based on this you would agree with me that Revelation is a story of two cities? Mystery babylon, the harlot, earthly Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem the heavenly one?

There is only one city that fits the criteria of having the blood of prophets in it, Jesus confirms it:

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Luke 13:33
Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem

And then there will be the 2 prophets, the 2 witnesses, the 2 olive trees that stand before the lord of the earth, who will be slain in the city called Sodom and Egypt just before its final and irremediable destruction

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The city rides the beast, but the beast will turn on the city and burn it.

I don't think the beast turns on the city and burns it. I believe it says the 10 horns do.

 

[rrcn]

I don't think a pope has ever claimed to be God.

But Roman emperors have claimed to be God there were five we know of.

Julius, Augustus, Claudius, Vespasian and Titus.

I believe the vicar of Christ has supremacy over the church on earth.

No where in Catholic literature is the pope ever called God.

This is from Catholic literature:
The Pope is God On This Earth "Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140, Paris, 1685. (In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (“Our Lord God the Pope”) can be found in column 153). "It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII." Statement from Fr. A. Pereira. "

Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God... "The Pope alone is called most holy... "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell. "Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than. "So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope.... "...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition. "[Pope] PIUS XI, Pontifex Maximus." Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (The Promotion of True Religious Unity), Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218,

"Cities Petrus Bertanous". “...We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty..." Pope Leo XIII, in Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), Encyclical promulgated on June 20, 1894. The Pope is Immortal “...Our immortal predecessor, Pope Leo XIII...” Pope Pius XI, in Quas Primas (On the Feast of Christ the King), Encyclical promulgated on December 11, 1925, #18. T

Do you believe that Mary answers prayers?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Catholic church doesn't rule the world. Nor will it ever.

 

[Hakawaka]

And then there will be the 2 prophets, the 2 witnesses, the 2 olive trees that stand before the lord of the earth, who will be slain in the city called Sodom and Egypt just before its final and irremediable destruction

Oh yeah. This is another great identifier, let me post it for everyone to see:

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

First time "the great city" is mentioned in the book, and it is clearly Jerusalem.

 

[Inquisitor]

This is from Catholic literature:
The Pope is God On This Earth "Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618, (Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761), (also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

I will deal with what you wrote in the first paragraph.

I asked AI to authenticate that first paragraph.

That’s a really good question, because this quote has often been circulated in Protestant polemical works against Rome, but its authenticity is debated. Let’s break it down carefully:

The quotation as given

• Supposedly from Christopher Marcellus, in an oration before Pope Julius II at the Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512).
• Source references include Mansi, Sacrorum Conciliorum (vol. 32, col. 761) and Labbe & Cossart, History of the Councils (vol. XIV, col. 109).

Authenticity check

1. The Council session
   The Fourth Session of the Fifth Lateran Council took place on May 10, 1513 (not 1512), under Pope Leo X, since Julius II had died earlier that year. That timing already raises a red flag, because if it was directed to Julius II, it cannot have been at that session.
2. Christopher Marcellus’ oration
   There was indeed an oration by Christophorus Marcellus (a bishop) preserved in the acts of the council. He lavishes very strong praise on the papacy, using exalted and, to modern ears, exaggerated language. Some editions do contain the phrase describing the Pope as "another God on earth" (alter Deus in terris).
3. Catholic historians’ note
   Catholic scholars generally acknowledge that hyperbolic rhetoric of this sort was common in Renaissance-era speeches to Popes. It does not represent official doctrine, but florid oratorical praise. Mansi and Labbe indeed record this.
4. Protestant use
   This line was later picked up by Protestant controversialists (e.g., William Whitaker, 16th c.; Alexander Hislop, 19th c.) to illustrate alleged papal blasphemy. Modern anti-Catholic works often cite it as if it were papal teaching, though it was really a courtier’s oratorical flattery.

Verdict

• Yes, the words exist in the conciliar records (Sacrorum Conciliorum vol. 32, col. 761).
• No, they were not papal doctrine but part of a bishop’s oration, delivered in flowery Renaissance rhetoric.
• The reference to 1512 under Julius II is slightly off—Julius died in February 1513, and the 4th session where Marcellus spoke was under Leo X.

Authentic as an oratorical remark recorded in council proceedings
Not an official papal teaching, and sometimes cited with errors in date/context

I see no reference to any official Catholic doctrine regarding the deity of the Pope.

You will need to dig deeper and find a Cardinal or even a Pope making the claim of deity.

 

[TMS]

The Catholic church doesn't rule the world. Nor will it ever.

Secret societies are not a secret for no reason.

History reveals that the catholic church started many Secret societies and when you study the subject you will see that these people are pulling the strings.

They control the world from behind the scenes.

If you want to understand these Secret societies. Look up. Secret behind Secret societies by Walter vieth.

 

[PTL]

What do you guys think the mark of the beast is?

The mark of the beast symbolically identifies those who let the political system rule their lives. Those with the mark of the beast place themselves in opposition to God.

 

[Inquisitor]

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218,

Here is another quotation of yours that is not up to scratch.

Why does your church organization do this?

Do you have any integrity at all?

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218"

AI will check the sources to verify your quotation above.

AI said.

I looked into that alleged quotation, and I find that it is almost certainly not authentic — it’s a bogus or severely garbled attribution. Here’s what the evidence shows, and what one should conclude.


What the evidence shows

1. No reliable primary or scholarly source
   There is no trustworthy edition of Pius V’s writings (or papal bulls) where he says, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Searching standard collections of papal documents yields nothing like that.
2. It appears to be a misquotation or conflation in anti-Catholic sources
   The quote is widely circulated in anti-Catholic websites and writings (for example, Dave Armstrong’s analysis of misattributed papal quotes) as an example of a “blasphemous statement” allegedly made by a pope. Patheos
   But these sites themselves admit (or show signs) that they have not traced a primary source. The quote often appears without proper context or source verification. Patheos+2Catholic Defender 2000+2
3. The more plausible origin is a gloss attribution to Petrus Bertrandus / Bertrand, cited in a work by “Barclay”
   One explanation floating around is that what is really being referenced is a gloss by Petrus Bertrandus (a medieval canonist) on Unam Sanctam (the bull of Boniface VIII) in which he makes a bold gloss about the pope’s vicariate and the powers derived therefrom. Bible Light+1
   The story goes that William Barclay (in his De Potestate Papae) quotes this gloss (in Chapter XXVII, p. 218) and condemns it as "vanity" or “blasphemy,” rather than endorsing it. Bible Light
   In that scenario, the quote is being mispresented: Barclay was not attributing it as factual, but quoting and refuting it. The misattribution then has been further twisted to make it appear that Pius V himself said it.
4. Chronological & logical problems
   • If the gloss is by Petrus Bertrandus (died ca. 1349) and the alleged quotation is attributed to Pius V (16th century), that’s a mismatch in era and authorship.
   • Some defenders note that Pius V reigned long after Bertrandus died, making it unlikely that Pius V would “say” something originally from Bertrandus as his own. Catholic Defender 2000
   • Even more essentially, statements that the pope is God would be obviously contradictory to orthodox Christian doctrine (and to Catholic doctrine), so the claim is intrinsically hostile to Catholic theology.
5. Actual papal documents use very different language
   What is found is Pius V’s Regnans in Excelsis (1570) which begins:
   
   “He that reigneth on high, to whom is given all power in heaven and earth, has committed one holy Catholic and apostolic Church … to one alone upon earth, namely … Peter’s successor … the pope of Rome … to be by him governed in fullness of power.” Patheos+1​
   In that sentence, the subject “He that reigneth on high … has given all power in heaven and earth” is God/Christ, not the Pope. The papal text is not saying “the Pope and God are the same.” Patheos
   So the actual text is coupling the divine power given to Christ with the authority over the Church given to the pope. It is being twisted by some writers into a “the Pope = God” claim.
6. No scholarly historian or reputable Catholic source supports it
   I found no citation in standard works on papal history or Catholic apologetics that accept this quote as genuine. The consensus is that it is a misattribution or distortion.

Conclusion: Not authentic

Given all this, the statement

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — attributed to Pius V in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218​

is almost certainly spurious:

• It is not found in any reliable edition of Pius V’s own writings.
• The attribution is tangled with a medieval gloss by Petrus Bertrandus, and was quoted (and rejected) by a rhetorician (Barclay) rather than asserted by Pius V.
• It conflicts with orthodox Catholic teaching (which sharply distinguishes God and the pope).

 

[rrcn]

Here is another quotation of yours that is not up to scratch.

Why does your church organization do this?

Do you have any integrity at all?

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218"

I have an AI also, the definition of Sola Scriptura'
Sola Scriptura emphasizes that the Bible, as the inspired Word of God, stands above every human tradition or ecclesiastical directive.

Executive Summary
This report provides a forensic authentication and summary of both a key papal statement and the definitive counter-statements from Protestant reformers. The analysis reveals two fundamentally opposed visions of religious authority on the eve of the Reformation. The papal statement, "thou art finally another God on earth," is an authenticated quote delivered as an oration to Pope Julius II in 1512. It serves as a powerful illustration of the rhetorical and political heights of papal claims in the Renaissance period. Conversely, the Protestant counter-statements, epitomized by Martin Luther's public burning of a papal bull and Desiderius Erasmus's satirical critique, were a vehement and symbolic rejection of that very authority. The public actions and writings of the reformers represented a definitive break from the doctrine of papal supremacy, signaling a new era of Christian thought rooted in the principle of sola scriptura and a rejection of the papacy's perceived temporal excesses.

Part I: The Apogee of Papal Claims
The statement, "Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth," is a historically verified statement. It was delivered by Christopher Marcellus, a Venetian prelate, to Pope Julius II during the Fourth Session of the Fifth Lateran Council on December 4, 1512. This extraordinary claim, though not a formal dogmatic teaching, is a critical artifact for understanding the intellectual and rhetorical climate of the era.

1.1 Context and Purpose of the Oration
The oration took place at a time of intense political and ecclesiastical turmoil Pope Julius II, known to his contemporaries as "the Warrior Pope," had convened the Fifth Lateran Council to reassert papal supremacy and nullify a rival schismatic council supported by King Louis XII of France In this high-stakes environment, the address by Christopher Marcellus functioned as a diplomatic act from the Republic of Venice, using extreme flattery to express loyalty to the Pope. The use of such hyperbolic language, like "another God on earth," was a rhetorical device common in the Renaissance, intended to persuade an erudite audience and make the argument for the Pope's absolute authority more forcefully. The purpose was to provide a divine justification for Pope Julius II’s temporal power and military campaigns.

1.2 The Papacy's Escalating Titles
The phrase "another God on earth" was a culmination of a long-standing evolution in papal titles. The papacy's primary title had shifted from "Vicar of Peter" to the more potent "Vicar of Christ" by the 13th century, a change that implied the Pope was a direct stand-in for Jesus Christ Himself. The Marcellus quote, with its anointment of the Pope as "a second God upon earth," represents the theoretical apex of this trend. This unchecked rhetoric was further exemplified by Pope Leo XIII, who would later write in 1890 that complete submission to the Roman Pontiff was required "as to God Himself". By accepting this address without public correction, Pope Julius II tacitly endorsed the soaring claims of his authority, demonstrating the profound gap between the papacy's self-perception and the mounting criticism from reformers.

Part II: The Definitive Protestant Counter-Statements
The Protestant Reformation was a direct and systemic reaction to the perceived excesses of the Renaissance Papacy and the escalating claims of papal supremacy . Reformers issued statements, both in writing and in symbolic acts, that directly challenged the spiritual and temporal authority of the Pope.

2.1 Martin Luther's Public Burning of the Papal Bull
The conflict between papal claims and the Reformation came to a head with the papal bull Exsurge Domine. Issued by Pope Leo X on June 15, 1520, the bull condemned forty-one propositions from Martin Luther's writings as heretical and demanded that he recant his views within sixty days or face excommunication . The document also ordered that Luther’s books be "burned publicly and solemnly"

Luther’s response was a defining moment of the Reformation. On December 10, 1520, in a public and dramatic act of defiance, he publicly burned a copy of the bull and its associated decretals in Wittenberg. This action was a direct and final rejection of papal authority and the symbolic launch of the Protestant Reformation.

2.2 Erasmus's Critique of the Warrior Pope
While Luther’s statements were a radical and theological break, the groundwork for the Protestant critique was laid by earlier voices. The Dutch humanist Desiderius Erasmus, who remained a Catholic, authored a powerful satire titled Julius Exclusus (Julius Excluded from Heaven). In this work, Erasmus portrayed Pope Julius II as a "warrior" and "simonist" who was more concerned with military campaigns and wealth than with his spiritual duties. The play exposes the contradictions between the Pope's lavish lifestyle and his spiritual office. While Erasmus was more interested in reform from within the Church, his popular play captured the widespread discontent and "follies and vices" of the Renaissance Papacy, providing a foundation for Luther's more revolutionary claims.

2.3 The Theological Foundation of the Counter-Statements
The Protestant rejection of papal claims was rooted in fundamental theological principles. Reformers opposed the notion of a supreme, infallible earthly authority that could "modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws," as claimed in certain papal documents.
Instead, they championed the doctrine of sola scriptura, or "scripture alone," which holds that the Bible is the sole infallible source of divine revelation for doctrine and practice. This position placed the authority of the divine word above the authority of the Pope and tradition, asserting that the Pope was a man, capable of error, and not the spiritual head of all Christendom. This theological dispute was a central feature of the Reformation, with Protestants often labeling the Pope as the Antichrist, a direct counter to the Catholic titles of divine authority.

Part III: Comparative Analysis: Claims vs. Counter-Statements
The following highlights the core contrasts between the papal claims and the Protestant counter-statements.

Attribute
Papal Statements (e.g., Marcellus)
Protestant Counter-Statements (e.g., Luther)

Source of Authority

Papal supremacy and apostolic succession from St. Peter
Scripture alone (sola scriptura) as the sole infallible guide

Claim on Person of Pope
Pope is "another God on earth" or Christ's direct representative
Pope is a sinful human, a worldly figure, or even the Antichrist

Nature of Papal Power
Supreme, universal authority with power over temporal and spiritual realms
Pope's authority is a human invention, rejected in favor of an individual's direct relationship with God

Key Expression
Rhetorical declarations of divine authority and infallibility
Symbolic acts of rebellion, such as the public burning of a bull

Conclusion: The Enduring Legacy of the Great Divide
The statements from both the papacy and the Protestant reformers are not isolated historical curiosities; they represent two irreconcilable visions of Christianity that came to a head in the 16th century. The papal side, as exemplified by the Marcellus oration, was a theatrical and rhetorical expression of an expansive and temporal power that had been building for centuries. The Protestant side, as demonstrated by the bold actions of Martin Luther and the critical satire of Erasmus, was an existential rejection of that power. Their statements and actions transformed a theological debate into a permanent religious schism. This schism, in turn, forever altered the political and religious landscape of Europe, leading to new forms of church governance, the rise of nation-states, and a lasting legacy of debate about the nature of spiritual authority.

 

[rrcn]

Here are the sources and links used to produce the document on papal authority and divine identity:

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* https://www.ncregister.com/blog/popes-who-were-also-saints

* https://www.norwichdiocese.org/Stay...Question-of-Faith-What-is-Papal-Infallibility

* https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/ecum18.htm

* https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-...le-is-supposedly-an-absolute-unchanging-truth

*

https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/19esdov

* https://www.researchgate.net/public...tion_of_Peter's_Authority_in_the_Early_Church

* https://www.thoughtco.com/pope-julius-ii-1789044

 

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The Prompta Bibliotheca Statement: Authentication and Canonical Analysis
Executive Summary
The query presents a series of extraordinary claims regarding the papacy, sourced from Lucius Ferraris's 18th-century work, Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica. An exhaustive review and analysis confirm the authenticity of the statement within the cited source but reveal that its contents must be understood within their historical, rhetorical, and canonical context. The claims do not represent the formal, dogmatically defined position of the modern Catholic Church.

First, the statement is indeed verifiable in the "Papa (Pope)" article of the 1858 J.P. Migne edition of Ferraris's encyclopedia. Second, an evaluation of the claims demonstrates that the language is characteristic of a pre-modern style of theological discourse, which often employed hyperbolic and polemical rhetoric. The phrase "as it were God" is a metaphor for the Pope's vicarious authority as Christ's representative, not a literal claim of divinity. The symbolism of the papal tiara as "king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions" is a polemical interpretation, as the crowns' meaning evolved to represent the three spiritual powers of the Pope and was a symbol of temporal authority that has been abandoned by recent pontiffs. Finally, the statement that the Pope can "modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws" conflates the Pope's legitimate authority over human-made ecclesiastical law with an impossible power to alter unchangeable divine and natural law.

In conclusion, the quotation from Prompta Bibliotheca serves as a historically valuable record of a particular strain of theological thought, yet it is an unreliable and misleading representation of the full scope of papal authority as it is formally and dogmatically understood by the Catholic Church today. The Church's own doctrinal developments and institutional reforms have since clarified and, in some cases, limited the expansive claims of this earlier era.

Part I: Authentication and Context of the Source Material
1.1. Verification of the Lucius Ferraris Statement
The first step in evaluating the provided statement is to verify its existence within the cited source. The user query accurately attributes the text to the Prompta Bibliotheca, a multi-volume theological and canonical encyclopedia authored by the Franciscan canonist Lucius Ferraris in the 18th century. The statement is found in the entry titled "Papa (Pope)," specifically within article 2 of that entry. The user's citation of the 1858 J.P. Migne edition is also correct, as this was a widely circulated version of the work, and research confirms its publication and availability.

It is important to understand the nature of Ferraris’s work. The title itself, Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica... which translates to "Handy Canonical, Juridical, Moral, Theological Library," indicates its purpose as a reference work. It was intended to be a comprehensive compendium of religious knowledge, covering a vast array of subjects from canon law to moral theology. This means that the claims within it are part of a scholarly synthesis, drawing upon a wide range of sources, rather than a formal, official, or dogmatic proclamation from the Holy See. This distinction is critical to a proper interpretation of the text's contents.

1.2. The Authority and Evolution of the Prompta Bibliotheca
The historical trajectory of the Prompta Bibliotheca is a significant factor in understanding its authority. The work was not a static text; it underwent multiple revisions and additions, some made by Ferraris himself and others "from another hand" (additiones ex aleina manu) after his death. This process of continuous editing suggests the text was a living academic resource, and its content was seen as a product of scholarly inquiry rather than an unchanging source of dogma.

A crucial development was the publication of an edition in 1899 by the Vatican's Office of Propaganda, which included a supplement edited by the Jesuit Bucceroni. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes the work as a "precious mine of information" but also notes that Ferraris could be "reproach[ed] with laxism," a theological term for a tendency to be overly lenient. The 1899 edition is a key detail because it shows the Vatican itself acknowledging the work's value while simultaneously updating it to reflect major doctrinal developments that had occurred since the original 18th-century publication. The supplement was added to "keep up to date the work... with the most recent and important documents of the Holy See". This action demonstrates that the Church did not consider the earlier, unsupplemented editions to be the final word on these topics. The Church's decision to clarify and contextualize the work after a century of doctrinal evolution, particularly after the First Vatican Council, indicates a transition from a more rhetorical, absolutist understanding of papal power to one that is more precisely defined and limited by formal dogma.

Part II: Deconstructing the "As It Were God" Claim
2.1. The Theological Meaning of Quasi Deus
The most striking phrase in the statement is that the Pope is "not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God." This is not a claim of literal divinity but a theological metaphor that must be carefully unraveled. The term "vicar" literally means one who "takes the place of" another. In Catholic theology, the Pope is the Vicar of Jesus Christ, meaning he acts as Christ's earthly representative. The phrase "as it were God" (quasi Deus) should be understood in this context; it is a qualitative description of the authority vested in the Pope, an authority that is a direct participation in Christ's divine authority. This hyperbolic language was not uncommon in pre-modern ecclesiastical writing. Other historical texts contain similar, seemingly blasphemous phrases, such as "a second God upon earth" or "our Lord God the Pope".

There is some historical debate about the exact origin and canonical status of some of these phrases. One analysis suggests that the phrase "our Lord God the Pope" was a historical gloss in a canonical commentary, not a formal part of the law itself, and was likely a form of rhetorical hyperbole. The fact that it existed at all, however, indicates a specific theological and political viewpoint on the Pope's vicarious authority, one that was not always universally embraced or codified into formal dogma. It signifies an effort to emphasize the divine source of the Pope's authority to an extreme degree, rather than to proclaim the Pope as literally divine.

2.2. The Pope as Vicar of Christ vs. Vicar of God
A subtle but significant distinction exists between the titles "Vicar of Christ" and "Vicar of God." While the two are used somewhat interchangeably in the query's text, the title "Vicar of Christ" is the standard and most precise canonical term for the Pope's office, tracing its origins back to the apostolic succession from Saint Peter. The title "Vicar of God" is a more expansive, less common, and more theologically ambiguous term that was employed in certain historical periods to elevate the papacy’s authority above all earthly powers, both temporal and spiritual.

The development of these titles reflects a major conceptual shift in papal authority. The transition from "Vicar of Peter" to "Vicar of Christ" marked a conceptual leap in the papacy's direct link to Christ's divine commission. The subsequent, though less common, use of "Vicar of God" in works like Ferraris’s represents a further, more extreme extension of that logic. This semantic move from a specific, defined role (representative of Christ) to a universal, almost metaphysical role (representative of God) is a critical historical trend that underpins the hyperbolic language found in the user's query. It demonstrates the rhetorical lengths to which some authors would go to convey the supreme nature of the pontifical office.

Table 1: Vicarious Authority: A Canonical and Historical Glossary
Term
Canonical Meaning
Historical Context & Implication

Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ)
The Pope as the representative and successor to Christ's authority on Earth.
The foundational and official title of the papacy, established to denote the Pope's special commission and direct link to Christ.
Quasi Deus (As it were God)
A qualitative metaphor for the Pope's supreme authority, not a claim of literal divinity.
Rhetorical hyperbole used to emphasize the divine origin and nature of the Pope's authority.
Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam (Our Lord God the Pope)
Not a dogmatic title, but a phrase found in historical commentaries and glosses.
A polemical and extreme historical gloss, reflecting the heights of pre-modern rhetorical assertions of papal power.

 

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Part III: The Papal Tiara and Universal Sovereignty
3.1. Symbolism of the Triple Crown: A Historical Review
The statement's claim that the Pope is "crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions" must be examined against the historical evolution of the papal tiara. The papal tiara, or triregnum, was not a liturgical item but a symbol of the Pope’s sovereign power. Its history is one of gradual accretion. It began as a simple head covering, with a single circlet or crown added around the 12th century, a second added by Pope Boniface VIII in the late 13th century, and the third added sometime after 1316, under either Benedict XI or Clement V. The specific reason for the addition of the third crown is officially "unknown".

Furthermore, the symbolism attached to the three crowns was not fixed and varied over time. Some interpretations held that they represented the three powers of the Supreme Pontiff: "Sacred Order, Jurisdiction and Magisterium". Another interpretation states that they represent the Pope's authority to "teach, to govern, and to sanctify". The claim that the crowns symbolized "authority over heaven, earth and hell" is explicitly rejected in historical analysis as "certainly not the original explanation". This stark discrepancy between the user's claim and the historical record highlights how a polemical or exaggerated interpretation of a symbol can be accepted as fact over time. The fluid and uncertain nature of the tiara's symbolism stands in direct contrast to the absolute and fixed meaning posited in the query's text.

The modern Catholic Church has moved away from the imagery of the tiara. Pope Paul VI was the last to be crowned with the tiara in 1963. He later sold the tiara and donated the proceeds to the poor in a gesture of humility. His successors, including Pope John Paul I, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis, have all chosen not to wear it. This physical abandonment of a symbol of temporal sovereignty provides a powerful counter-narrative to the query's claim and is a clear manifestation of the Church's modern shift away from claims of earthly political power toward a more spiritual and pastoral role.

3.2. Evaluating the "King of Heaven and of Earth and of the Lower Regions" Claim
The claim that the Pope is "king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions" is a polemical overstatement likely rooted in a pre-modern understanding of papal dominion. The more common and recent interpretations of the tiara's symbolism, as discussed above, do not support this specific phrasing. The notion of the Pope as a "king" of the heavens and hell is not part of formal Catholic ecclesiology, even if the Pope is understood to hold the "keys to the kingdom of heaven" and the power to "bind and loose" on earth.

The inclusion of "the lower regions" is a particularly dramatic and theatrical addition, meant to enhance the sense of the papacy's cosmic authority. While the Catholic Church teaches the existence of hell and the spiritual authority of the Pope over the faithful, the idea of him being its "king" is an invention of rhetorical language. The specific phrasing highlights the polemical nature of the quote, which was likely intended to shock and impress readers rather than to provide a precise theological definition.

Part IV: The "Plenitude of Unbroken Power" and its Limits
4.1. The Doctrine of Plenitudo Potestatis
The claim that the Pope has a "plentitude of unbroken power" is a reference to the Catholic doctrine of plenitudo potestatis ("fullness of power"). This concept is a cornerstone of Catholic ecclesiology, defining the Pope's role as the supreme head of the Church with full, supreme, and universal power over all its members. This authority is a jurisdictional grant from Christ to Saint Peter and his successors.

This power is not absolute in the temporal sense. While it provides the basis for the Pope's ultimate governance of the Church, it is fundamentally a spiritual and jurisdictional authority, not an arbitrary one. The phrase "unbroken power" refers to the continuous succession from Peter to the present pontiff, which the Church asserts has remained uninterrupted over the centuries. The concept of plenitudo potestatis is central to understanding the Pope’s role as the final arbiter of doctrine and discipline within the Catholic Church, but it is a power that is circumscribed by the very divine laws it governs.

4.2. The Power to "Modify... even Divine Laws": A Critical Analysis
The statement that the Pope is "able to modify, declare, or interpret even Divine laws" is the most theologically complex and misleading of the claims. This statement, taken at face value, is false. The research material draws a sharp distinction between three types of law: Divine Law, Natural Law, and man-made, or Human Law.

• Divine Law is revealed directly by God and is unchangeable, such as the Ten Commandments. The Pope has no authority to alter it.
• Natural Law is inscribed in creation and is immutable by any human authority, including the Pope. As one source notes, a pope who tried to declare that something intrinsically evil, like adultery, was now good would be in "a most serious usurpation of the divine prerogative" and could be considered a heretic.
• Human Law or Ecclesiastical Law is man-made canon law, which the Pope has the full authority to create, declare, and modify. For example, a Pope can change the rules for the Eucharistic fast, as Pope Pius XII did, because those regulations are not divine in origin but are disciplinary laws enacted by the Church hierarchy.

The statement in the query conflates these categories. While the Pope has the power to declare and interpret divine law, applying it to new situations that did not exist in Christ's time, this is not the same as a power to modify or negate the law's substance. The original text likely used this ambiguity to enhance its claim of papal authority. The phrase "modify, declare, or interpret" is crucial, as the first part ("modify") is untrue in the context of divine law, while the latter two ("declare" and "interpret") are part of the Pope's legitimate role.

Part V: Modern Catholic Doctrine and Conclusion
5.1. Papal Infallibility vs. Papal Supremacy
A critical doctrinal development that post-dates Ferraris's work is the definition of Papal Infallibility at the First Vatican Council in 1870. This dogma states that the Pope is "preserved from the possibility of error" only in "very rare situations" when he speaks ex cathedra ("from the chair") on matters of faith and morals for the entire Church. This limited and specific charism of infallibility is distinct from the broader concept of Papal Supremacy, which concerns the Pope's jurisdictional authority over the Church.

The very act of defining infallibility at Vatican I, contrary to a popular misunderstanding, did not grant the Pope new, absolute power. Instead, it served to codify and clarify a specific aspect of his teaching authority, distinguishing it from his ordinary teaching or private opinions. The fact that this definition occurred nearly a century after the original publication of Ferraris's work is of immense significance. The 1899 Vatican edition of the Prompta Bibliotheca, with its supplement, was an acknowledgment that the broader, more expansive claims of the past needed to be read in light of this new and highly specific dogmatic declaration. Thus, Vatican I acted as a critical constraint and clarification on the expansive, rhetorical claims of the pre-modern era, replacing them with a more precise and legally defined understanding of papal authority.

5.2. Final Evaluation and Synthesis
The statement from Lucius Ferraris's Prompta Bibliotheca is an authentic historical document that encapsulates a specific, maximalist view of papal authority prevalent in the 18th century. However, a contemporary and accurate evaluation demonstrates that the claims it contains are largely rhetorical, polemical, and theologically imprecise when measured against the formal, dogmatically defined teachings of the modern Catholic Church.

The analysis has shown that the claim "as it were God" is a metaphor for the Pope's vicarious authority, not a literal assertion of divinity. The papal tiara's symbolism as a sign of universal kingship over heaven, earth, and the lower regions is not supported by the historical record and is, in fact, an explicitly rejected interpretation of its meaning. The claim of a power to "modify... divine laws" misrepresents the Pope's authority, which is limited to the interpretation of divine law and the creation of man-made ecclesiastical law, a distinction that is fundamental to canonical jurisprudence.

The Church's own actions over the past century and a half—from the dogmatic clarification of Papal Infallibility in 1870 to the abandonment of the papal tiara in 1963—demonstrate a clear and deliberate movement away from the kind of rhetorical and temporal claims found in Ferraris's work. The statement from Prompta Bibliotheca remains a valuable historical artifact, offering a glimpse into the intellectual and theological climate of its time, but it is an unreliable and misleading guide to the nature of the papacy as it is officially and canonically understood today.

 

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1. Catholic Quotes about the Sabbath, https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/denominational-statements-on-the-sabbath/id/catholic 2. Prompta Bibliotheca, PAPA, Article 2, na Lucius Ferraris - Sabbath Light Ministry, https://sabbathlight.wordpress.com/prompta/ 3. The Roman Catholic Church: Its Evils, and Why It Must Be Rejected - True Orthodoxy, https://www.trueorthodoxy.org/polemics/heretics_roman_catholics_evils.shtml 4. Lucius Ferraris | Catholic Answers Encyclopedia, https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/lucius-ferraris 5. 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tiara - Wikisource, the free online library, https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopædia_Britannica/Tiara 6. The extinct time when popes were crowned - The Catechist, http://thecatechist.com/the-extinct-time-when-popes-were-crowned/ 7. Why does the Pope have the ability to change views and laws if the Bible is supposedly an absolute unchanging truth? - Quora, https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-...le-is-supposedly-an-absolute-unchanging-truth 8. Has the pope a right over the natural law? - St. Michael's Priory, https://ontario.sspx.ca/en/publications/has-pope-right-over-natural-law-38830 9. en.wikipedia.org, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciu...raris (18 April 1687,seem he died before 1763. 10. Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Nec Non Ascetica, Polemica, Rubricistica, Historica, by Lucius Ferraris et al. | The Online Books Page, https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupid?key=olbp97003 11. Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, NEC Non Ascetica,... (Hardcover) - AbeBooks, https://www.abebooks.com/Prompta-Bibliotheca-Canonica-Juridica-Moralis-Theologica/31393977098/bd 12. 1766 Prompta Bibliotheca Franciscan Ferraris Church Encyclopedia & Canon LAW 8v | Schilb Antiquarian, https://www.schilbantiquarian.com/p...an-ferraris-church-encyclopedia-canon-law-8v/ 13. #16 LITTLE HORN CHANGES THE SABBATH 1 II Timothy 3:14-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 * Ezekiel 4:6 The, https://rainey-turlington.squarespace.com/s/16-Little-Horn-Changes-the-Sabbath.pdf 14. Library : The Authority Of The Pope | Catholic Culture, https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=4319 15. Papal infallibility - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility 16. The Pope Claims to Be God on Earth - Amazing Discoveries, https://amazingdiscoveries.org/read/articles/the-pope-claims-to-be-god-on-earth 17. Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam Our Lord God the Pope? - The Byzantine Forum, https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbt...inum-deum-nostrum-papam-our-lord-god-the-pope 18. Papal supremacy - Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy 19. An exact chronological history and full display of popes intollerable usurpations upon the antient just rights, liberties, of the kings, kingdoms, clergy, nobility, commons of England and Ireland | Early English Books Online - Digital Collections, https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A91186.0001.001/1:1.1.4?rgn=div3;view=fulltext 20. www.nationalshrine.org, https://www.nationalshrine.org/blog...t=While it is unclear if,a cross at their tip. 21. The Triregnum (the Papal Tiara formed by three crowns symbolizing the triple power of the Pope - The Holy See, https://www.vatican.va/news_service.../documents/sp_ss_scv/insigne/triregno_en.html 22. Meaning of Papal power in Christianity, https://www.wisdomlib.org/christianity/concept/papal-power 23. Vatican I Decrees Papal Infallibility Dogma | Research Starters - EBSCO, https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/vatican-i-decrees-papal-infallibility-dogma

 

[Follower777]

People will be judged by following the words of Christ, not by following the law of Moses.

Very True, following the Law of Moses, for salvation, is salvation by works, ... What Israel, tried to do, but lacked the LOVE for God & His Son.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead. Acts 17:30-31

The people (ALL men, including Gentiles) will be judged by how they following and BELIEVE the Words of Jesus. Jesus proved His Righteousness, by following the Father's Will, His Law, His Ten Commandments, to being the Lamb of God AND the King of Heaven.

We are to follow and believe Jesus and His Righteousness, as Jesus followed and believed, His Father's Will, by His Faith .. "The Faith of Jesus" = believing and following the Fathers Will. ( & Jesus kept His Father's Sabbath, by His Faith in His Father ) "The Just shall live by Faith.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal 2: 18-21

~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~
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[Follower777]

You have an interpretation that you were taught from a much older Christian tradition. The fact of the matter is that those ten commandments were given to covenant Israel only.

" The fact of the matter is" ... "You have an interpretation" ... that is much later than the New Testament, ... much of it starting with the "The Counter-Reformation, also known as the Catholic Reformation, being the Catholic Church's comprehensive response to the Protestant Reformation, aiming to address internal abuses, reaffirm doctrine, and reclaim territories lost to Protestantism." the Council of Trent" 1545-1563

We don't study the Bible the same way!
You were taught from a young age a corrupted interpretation of the text.
You will not be able to understand what I am saying because you have been conditioned
to practice the law.

You are right ... Being that you have been conditioned to disobedience, by following and believing the Church of Rome. We are speaking two completely different theologies, different religions, as if two different languages. I believe that " The Just Shall Live By Faith "... in the Faith OF Jesus and His Righteousness. Which you don't seem to believe, Inquisitor.

Galatians 5:13-14For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh,but through love serve one another. For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Have you ever thought about how Jesus "Loved" His Father and His neighbors (us) ?
Inquisitor ? Did Jesus keep his Father's Ten Commandment, when He was on the Earth, as The Son of Man ?

~~ Sabbath Blessings Y'all ~~
ΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣ

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Very True, following the Law of Moses, for salvation, is salvation by works, ... What Israel, tried to do, but lacked the LOVE for God & His Son.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead. Acts 17:30-31

The people (ALL men, including Gentiles) will be judged by how they following and BELIEVE the Words of Jesus. Jesus proved His Righteousness, by following the Father's Will, His Law, His Ten Commandments, to being the Lamb of God AND the King of Heaven.

We are to follow and believe Jesus and His Righteousness, as Jesus followed and believed, His Father's Will, by His Faith .. "The Faith of Jesus" = believing and following the Fathers Will. ( & Jesus kept His Father's Sabbath, by His Faith in His Father ) "The Just shall live by Faith.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Gal 2: 18-21

~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~
ΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣΙΧΘΥΣ

Jesus never said to observe the sabbath. In the one time that he had the opportunity to do so, when he told a man the commandments to keep in order to inherit eternal ife, he didn't mention the 4th commandment.

 

[Follower777]

How SDA arrives at their false doctrine is beyond me. It's as if they have a different Bible.

You are right ...
We use the King James version, primarily .. while I believe most non-SDA's and those of disobedience or ignorant, use the modern versions, such as the NIV .. which was developed and promoted by commissioned Jesuits, under the Rome Catholic Church's authority. (The Roman Catholic Church calls the King James Bible a "poisonous asp" and we "fundamentalist", = terrorists, per Pope Francis )

The first thing I do, when picking up a Bible version that I'm not familiar with is turn to Rev. 14:12 ~~ "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith OF Jesus. With which we, define ourselves as the Remnant Church." We "people of God" are commissioned by Matt 28: 19-20 and Rev 14, for these Final Events of Bible Prophecy.

( disclaimer; I am in no way, saying that I am sinless, ... just that I claim the promises of God to His Covenant Keeping people, and I struggle daily, as did Paul, in Romans 7, to "overcome" "win the race" to be judged, "a good and faithful servant" Matt 25:23... I PRAY !!

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son OF God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Gal 2"16-20

I'm sure you can realize the momentous difference between "my faith" and the Faith of Jesus. My faith is worthless without His Faith being Salvational.

That is why you only hear myself and a few others, here in the CC, who don't follow and believe the Papacy, talking about Christ and His Righteousness, The Faith OF Jesus, & Righteousness by Faith, and "the just shall live by Faith",

Righteousness = Obedience, which Jesus typified and of which Satan HATES, the reason he was kicked out of Heaven.

There is no Sabbath, like God's Holy Sabbath, a very Good Day, Y'all
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