The Lord's Day (Rev. 1:10) - Sabbath (7th) or Sunday (1st) or Eschatological day or something else?
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no, if i was doing lunar math it would be modulo 30, not 7, in the Levitical calendar, or modulo 28 if we use the current observed lunar cycle. it isn't nonsensical - it is just that you apparently do not understand the math.
the question was whether 1 Tishrei falls on a 1st day when 15 Iyar is a first day.
phrasing that in terms of mathematics is asking if they are congruent modulo 7.
i asked this because the first day of the first week with a sabbath, according to scripture, was 15 Iyar, in the wilderness. the first feast of trumpets under the law, it turns out, would be also a 1st day if we sequentially count 7's, because you didn't appear to do the math ((instead you just dismissed it without understanding)), but i did, and the answer is yes
i raised this question because of the implicit discussion in a few posts about whether the first sabbath in scripture corresponds to the 7th day of creation in a linear way.
God created math. He loves math.
8 modulo 7 is 1.
firstfruits per the Torah is always the day after a sabbath. sabbath literally means 'seven' -- 7 + 1 = 8
this isn't some pagan mythos; it's scripture. on what day is a male child circumcised?
the question was whether 1 Tishrei falls on a 1st day when 15 Iyar is a first day.
phrasing that in terms of mathematics is asking if they are congruent modulo 7.
i asked this because the first day of the first week with a sabbath, according to scripture, was 15 Iyar, in the wilderness. the first feast of trumpets under the law, it turns out, would be also a 1st day if we sequentially count 7's, because you didn't appear to do the math ((instead you just dismissed it without understanding)), but i did, and the answer is yes
i raised this question because of the implicit discussion in a few posts about whether the first sabbath in scripture corresponds to the 7th day of creation in a linear way.
God created math. He loves math.
8 modulo 7 is 1.
firstfruits per the Torah is always the day after a sabbath. sabbath literally means 'seven' -- 7 + 1 = 8
this isn't some pagan mythos; it's scripture. on what day is a male child circumcised?
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Amen! Speaking of UNBIBLICAL AND CULTISH, Seventh day Adventists teach that near the end of time the “mark of the beast” of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
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Jesus did rise on Sunday but that does not mean the sabbath is now Sunday.
The Sabbath of the Lord God is the seventh day of the week (as shown in creation), and no one has given a biblical reason why we should sanctify Sunday or keep it Holy. Sunday is not the lords day. The resurrection is an excuse to worship on Sunday (as the Sabbath) but it is not a biblical excuse, Only one day is sanctified and set aside for holy use and that day is the seventh day which we call Saturday.
We need to obey the 4th command .....
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The Sabbath of the Lord God is the seventh day of the week (as shown in creation), and no one has given a biblical reason why we should sanctify Sunday or keep it Holy. Sunday is not the lords day. The resurrection is an excuse to worship on Sunday (as the Sabbath) but it is not a biblical excuse, Only one day is sanctified and set aside for holy use and that day is the seventh day which we call Saturday.
We need to obey the 4th command .....
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
History proves that sunday worship is pagan worship.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Please show me where God has clearly sanctified Sunday and made it Holy.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo_20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Please show me where God has clearly sanctified Sunday and made it Holy.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo_20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
So New Testament believers/Christians are to obey the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law (flawlessly?) as the basis or means of receiving eternal life? Is that what you are saying? Also, how do you define “keep” his commandments and where are the instructions for New Testament believers/Christians on how to keep the sabbath day holy? I see a lot of covenant mixing going on in these types of threads. See (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13).
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Seems like God has changed according to your understanding.
God is the same, 6000 years ago as He is today.
God does not change His standards. Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
You still haven't answered my question about what defines sin.
If the law is no longer valid today i can steal and murder freely.
Eternal life is a gift from Jesus and we can not earn it by keeping the law, but if you love Jesus and have true faith you will obey the law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Please study hebrews and understand what finished at the cross... It was not the ten commandments... it was the laws that pointed to, and illustrated the life and death of Jesus. Type meet antitype.
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
To understand what Jesus is doing today for us in the True sanctuary it is important understand the earthly one. If sin is still present today (or we need salvation from sin) there must be a standard of measuring what sin is. And God does not change.
God is the same, 6000 years ago as He is today.
God does not change His standards. Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
You still haven't answered my question about what defines sin.
If the law is no longer valid today i can steal and murder freely.
Eternal life is a gift from Jesus and we can not earn it by keeping the law, but if you love Jesus and have true faith you will obey the law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Please study hebrews and understand what finished at the cross... It was not the ten commandments... it was the laws that pointed to, and illustrated the life and death of Jesus. Type meet antitype.
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
To understand what Jesus is doing today for us in the True sanctuary it is important understand the earthly one. If sin is still present today (or we need salvation from sin) there must be a standard of measuring what sin is. And God does not change.
interesting poll to cast.
The Lord's day must be kept in context to where it is used and why it was said and to who it wAS SAID TO.
The Lord Day has many applications from the practical to the prophetic and the literal and symbolic.
The Lords day speaks of many things
The Lord's day must be kept in context to where it is used and why it was said and to who it wAS SAID TO.
The Lord Day has many applications from the practical to the prophetic and the literal and symbolic.
The Lords day speaks of many things
- the Seventh-day found Genesis
- The resurrection of the Lord
- The Coming of the Lord
- The Judgement of the Lord
That's correct because I wasn't giving you a scriptural reference of why the called it the Lords day but a historical understanding, just like I can explain why the Trinity is called the trinity even though its not explained in scriptures. So, you giving me anything about the scriptures via why they called it the Lords day will not add up. What I can do is show you how ALL DAYS are holy in Christ Jesus but you don't seem to be able to grasp that in full.
I assume you mean among the Israelites and not some other religion or medical practice (you did not specify)?
If Israelites are the subject, then it would, under normal circumstances, be 7 days after the day of birth (any day of the week or month), upon the eighth day (which was a one time event, that occurred on any day of the week, including the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God as per John 7:22).
If the circumcision took place on the Sabbath, it meant that the child was born upon the Sabbath previous. Like this:
(Day 1) 7th day Sabbath (born)
(Day 2) (first day of week)
(Day 3) (second day of week)
(Day 4) (third day of week)
(Day 5) (fourth day of week)
(Day 6) (fifth day of week)
(Day 7) (sixth day of week)
(Day 8) (7th day Sabbath, circumcise)
It wasn't cyclical, or even monthly. It was done by calculation from birth.
If Israelites are the subject, then it would, under normal circumstances, be 7 days after the day of birth (any day of the week or month), upon the eighth day (which was a one time event, that occurred on any day of the week, including the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God as per John 7:22).
If the circumcision took place on the Sabbath, it meant that the child was born upon the Sabbath previous. Like this:
(Day 1) 7th day Sabbath (born)
(Day 2) (first day of week)
(Day 3) (second day of week)
(Day 4) (third day of week)
(Day 5) (fourth day of week)
(Day 6) (fifth day of week)
(Day 7) (sixth day of week)
(Day 8) (7th day Sabbath, circumcise)
It wasn't cyclical, or even monthly. It was done by calculation from birth.