The King James Bible

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Joseppi said:
The Holy Bible is the standarn, as the word, holy, signifies, and comparison against all other texts proves.
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OH! I See the light! It says "Holy". Holy Bible.


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Joseppi said:
I reject and criticize what I consider a dummed down, casual, approach to scripture that suggests that whatever any one reads as scripture is, ok.
I see you name yourself Studyman, and I can't reconcile that name with any thing goes approach to modern versions that disagree among themselves, create confusion, promote false doctrines and many other ills evident in todays churches.
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From my perspective, and that is a perspective of a nobody who studied outside the influence of any religious franchise claiming Jesus as their Savior, I would say the truth is found in most if not all translations. I have found that most (I haven't read them all) translations teach that God is a Spirit, and the understanding of His Word is a Spiritual understanding given to some and withheld from others. I would be glad to show scriptures which support this but the thread isn't really about teaching, rather, translations.

I believe The Great God of Abraham, who came to earth as a man in the form of Jesus, can guide those who are truly seeking Him into all truth. If a person is seeking to "know Him" Jesus will let Himself be known. There are "many" who come in His Name, who use His Word as a tool for justification of their lifestyle, or religious traditions. In todays world we can "translation hunt" to find a Bible that we can more easily bend towards this religious tradition or that. But those who are from the heart, seeking to know Him, and not just confirm the religion we were born into, we have a promise given in most all translations that He will "manifest Himself" to us.
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I think your obsession with translations is unhealthy. You basically condemned me as a fool for stated what is obviously the truth and didn't stop to ask what translation I use? Which BTW is the KJV. In it, we are taught to be careful of our judgments of others, especially others we know little or nothing about. Maybe if you spent more time actually studying the KJV instead of condemning folks who use other translations you might learn what it teaches. My point is God's Truth can be found in them all, and they all can be twisted to further religious traditions of men. If you can't grasp this truth, then your problem is within you, not me. I don't like modern Bibles either, but I know that God can use them, as He did the KJV, to lead us in all truth if we are truly seeking Him.

If we are just looking to belong to some religious social club, then it wouldn't matter what translation we used would it?. The quote "strain at a gnat, swallow a camel comes to mind".

The following is a statement as quoted in many different translations. I don't prescribe to your preaching that there is only one that God can use to instruct a humble seeker in all righteousness. I like the KJV, but it has it's misplaced comma's as well. A person who is seeking Him in truth will find Him. If you don't believe this, them you don't believe the KJV.
[h=2]American Standard Version[/h] Chapter Parallel

1 John 2:4 (ASV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

[h=2]The Bible in Basic English[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (BBE) The man who says, I have knowledge of him, and does not keep his laws, is false, and there is nothing true in him:


[h=2]Common English Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (CEB) The one who claims, "I know him," while not keeping his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in this person.


[h=2]Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (CEBA) The one who claims, "I know him," while not keeping his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in this person.


[h=2]The Complete Jewish Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (CJB) Anyone who says, "I know him," but isn't obeying his commands is a liar - the truth is not in him.


[h=2]Holman Christian Standard Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (CSB) The one who says, "I have come to know Him," without keeping His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


[h=2]The Darby Translation[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (DBY) He that says, I know him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;


[h=2]English Standard Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (ESV) Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,


[h=2]Good News Translation[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (GNT) If we say that we know him, but do not obey his commands, we are liars and there is no truth in us.


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1 John 2:4 (GNTA) If we say that we know him, but do not obey his commands, we are liars and there is no truth in us.


[h=2]GOD'S WORD Translation[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (GW) The person who says, "I know him," but doesn't obey his commandments is a liar. The truth isn't in that person.


[h=2]Hebrew Names Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (HNV) He who says, "I know him," and doesn't keep his mitzvot, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


[h=2]Jubilee Bible 2000[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (JUB) He that says, I have known him, and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


[h=2]King James Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (KJV) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


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1 John 2:4 (KJVA) He that saith , I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


[h=2]Lexham English Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (LEB) The one who says "I have come to know him," and does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in this person.


[h=2]The Message Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (MSG) If someone claims, "I know him well!" but doesn't keep his commandments, he's obviously a liar. His life doesn't match his words.


[h=2]New American Standard Bible[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NAS) The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;


[h=2]New Century Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NCV) Anyone who says, "I know God," but does not obey God's commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.


[h=2]New International Reader's Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NIRV) Suppose someone says, "I know him." But suppose that person does not do what God commands. Then that person is a liar and is not telling the truth.


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1 John 2:4 (NIV) Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.


[h=2]New King James Version[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NKJV) He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


[h=2]New Living Translation[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NLT) If someone claims, “I know God,” but doesn’t obey God’s commandments, that person is a liar and is not living in the truth.


[h=2]New Revised Standard[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NRS) Whoever says, "I have come to know him," but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such a person the truth does not exist;


[h=2]New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha[/h]
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1 John 2:4 (NRSA) Whoever says, "I have come to know him," but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such a person the truth does not exist;


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John146 said:
Philippians 3:8
KJV - Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

I wonder why the new versions didn't change the word dung to it's new updated perverse four letter word? I'm sorry but rubbish is not the same as dung. New version fail once more...
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"Dung"
occurs 15 times in 15 verses in the NIV.

It also happens to be a fitting designation for the KJVO cult.
 
σκύβαλον "skubalon"

It means rubbish, things thrown to the dogs, refuse. It doesn't mean necessarily mean "poop."
 
So, when my new testament has just "Greek new testament" and my old testament has just "Septuagint", I am done? :(
 
Joseppi said:
In the context of a mechanical object I suppose those three words equate.

In the context of scripture those three words don't equate.
Thinking that different words equate is indeed, a casual notion.
The word of God is quick.
That word choice is destroyed and weakened by changing "quick" to "fast" or "speedily."
If you look closer at those words you will find one of them incorporates meaning that goes beyond the limitations of the others.
The Holy Bible tends to present a word that is not so limited in meaning.
And, the God is precise in his consistency of use of a word, which is why I remarked on numbers, and words as God uses them in his Holy Bible.
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While the word, "quick" had the meaning of "alive" in the early 1600's, that meaning is rare at best in modern usage. To most readers, "quick" would mean "fast". The change in meaning renders the KJV less comprehensible. The other words don't have "limitations"; they simply don't have multiple (or archaic) meanings.

As to your last two sentences, show the evidence. The words in the KJV are what the translators chose, not "how God uses them", as God didn't dictate the KJV.

Joseppi said:
If we know God doesn't disallow diversity in quotes...then...does that mean that all diversity is good?

I see that God, by allowing diversity in his Holy Bible, is teaching us how to avoid the falsehoods found in other bibles claiming to be of God. Compare.
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This is completely illogical. How you see it is consistent with your double standards.

Joseppi said:
The Holy Bible is the standarn, as the word, holy, signifies, and comparison against all other texts proves.
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You are welcome to use it as your standard. I don't accept it as such, so your assertion of it as "the standarn (sic)" is invalid (as well as illogical). It is stubborn and silly to continue to assert it and expect it to be accepted, or to expect that arguments made on that basis will have any validity.
 
Tommy379 said:
You're supposed to be able to take the ones in hotels, right?
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When I was 17 I stole a Gideon bible from my hotel room in downtown LA. It was the only redeeming quality in that city. Since I was traveling cross-country I wanted to take a little bit of Jesus with me.
 
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