The King James Bible

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James37 said:
The other Bibles have removed words from the Bible therefore; these patterns are unique to the King James Bible
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You ought to follow up your studies by reading Ivan Panin and Bible Numerics.
Also John Bullinger has a book "Numbers In Scripture"

Panin discovered gematria in the Greek texts he was translating and published many
papers on the subject which he called Bible Numerics.

Yes God is the ultimate mathematician from the universe to his Word.
 
Be that as it may, this OP is more interested with numbers, than in the actual KJV itself.. He's been throwing numbers at y'all for what, 14 pages now..


Laish said:
It is actualy a disorder called Arithmomania its real.
Sadly not much to be laughed at .
Blessings
Bill
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James37 said:
The word "bread" is found exactly 281 times in the Old Testament of the King James Bible. John 21 contains the 62nd occurrence of the word "bread" in the NT. (281 + 62 = 343 = 7 x 7 x 7)

As I have stated, I am using software that was made to count words and phrases in the Bible. The counts are accurate,
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if the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times but a particular translation of the Hebrew Bible into another language only uses the word for bread ((in that other language that the original scripture was not written in)) 281 times, then it is not possible that the same gematric calculation of the actual scripture - written in Hebrew & Aramaic & Greek - matches.

do ya see that?
 
"The preacher sought to find acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth" (Eccl. 12:10)

"preacher" 7th occurrence in Bible
"sought" 63rd (3 x 7 x 3) occurrence in Bible
"to find" 7th occurrence in the Bible
"acceptable" 7th occurence in the bible
"words" 294th (3 x 7 x 7 x 2) verse containing this word
"written" 126th (3 x 7 x 3 x 2) occurrence of word in the Bible
"was" (2nd occurrence) 2569 (7 x 367)
"upright" 56th (7 x 8) verse in Bible containing this word
"even" 700th (case sensitive) occurrence
"words" (2nd occurrence) 307th
"truth" 74th (37 x 2)
 
posthuman said:
if the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times but a particular translation of the Hebrew Bible into another language only uses the word for bread ((in that other language that the original scripture was not written in)) 281 times, then it is not possible that the same gematric calculation of the actual scripture - written in Hebrew & Aramaic & Greek - matches.

do ya see that?
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John 21:13 is the 343rd (7 x 7 X 7) occurrence of the word "bread" in the King James Bible. This is a fact that is easily proved. I do not care about your Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. It was counted using a computer. Plain and simple.
 
posthuman said:
if the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times but a particular translation of the Hebrew Bible into another language only uses the word for bread ((in that other language that the original scripture was not written in)) 281 times, then it is not possible that the same gematric calculation of the actual scripture - written in Hebrew & Aramaic & Greek - matches.

do ya see that?
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so which is number that matters - 296 in the language that the Spirit caused the scripture to be written in?
or 281 in an arbitrary translation of that scripture into another language?

if you really want to look for such patterns in scripture should you be looking at the KJV or should you be looking at the original languages?

yeah, i'm questioning your sincerity now -- because you implied that there wasn't a difference. but there obviously is, because the KJV is not faithfully word-for-word literal, you can't come up with the same counts and therefore not the same patterns.
so you have to decide:
is the actual numeric patterns the important thing to you?
or is the KJV the important thing to you?

you got a choice to make.
 
James37 said:
John 21:13 is the 343rd (7 x 7 X 7) occurrence of the word "bread" in the King James Bible. This is a fact that is easily proved. I do not care about your Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. It was counted using a computer. Plain and simple.
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OK, i see.
clearly, choice made:

you don't care about the actual scriptures.
you don't care to "get it right"
you care about the KJV.

i do appreciate your honesty, and i hope you can be fully honest with yourself too.
 
posthuman said:
if the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times but a particular translation of the Hebrew Bible into another language only uses the word for bread ((in that other language that the original scripture was not written in)) 281 times, then it is not possible that the same gematric calculation of the actual scripture - written in Hebrew & Aramaic & Greek - matches.

do ya see that?
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Furthermore; you state that the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times. Guess what? That is 37 x 8. Thanks for the info
 
James37 said:
Furthermore; you state that the Hebrew word for bread is found 296 times. Guess what? That is 37 x 8. Thanks for the info
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281 is not evenly divisible by 37.

you've already decided, and stated, that the actual scripture isn't as important to you as the KJV.

now you need to decide whether the number 37 is more important to you than the KJV.

i'm interested to see what you do
 
posthuman said:
OK, i see.
clearly, choice made:

you don't care about the actual scriptures.
you don't care to "get it right"
you care about the KJV.

i do appreciate your honesty, and i hope you can be fully honest with yourself too.
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The gematria of Genesis 1:1 in the ORIGINAL HEBREW IS 2703 WHICH IS 37 X 73. From the beginning God has placed this number in His word. Argue Greek and Hebrew all you want because you will discover they have numerical patterns as well related to 37 and 7. Other people have already pointed these out, my goal is to show these patterns exist in the king James Bible as well.
 
James37 said:
Other people have already pointed these out, my goal is to show these patterns exist in the king James Bible as well.
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but you just spent some time arguing that the number of the word "bread" in the original scripture is definitely not the same as whatever calculations you are trying to do in the KJV.

you refuted yourself. one contradiction of a theorem disproves the whole thing: that's math, actual math.

so whacha going to do now? you're going to have to show your true colors, and make a choice.

choose, this day.
 
posthuman said:
but you just spent some time arguing that the number of the word "bread" in the original scripture is definitely not the same as whatever calculations you are trying to do in the KJV.

you refuted yourself. one contradiction of a theorem disproves the whole thing: that's math, actual math.

so whacha going to do now? you're going to have to show your true colors, and make a choice.

choose, this day.
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I have not talked about the word "bread" as it relates to the original scriptures one time. I have focused on the King James Bible and the 343rd (7 x 7 x 7) occurrence of the word "bread" in the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE IS IN JOHN 21. What have I said beyond that? Are you calling me a liar and are you saying that it is not?
 
posthuman said:

281 is not evenly divisible by 37.

you've already decided, and stated, that the actual scripture isn't as important to you as the KJV.

now you need to decide whether the number 37 is more important to you than the KJV.

i'm interested to see what you do
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I have not even mentioned your straw man number of 281.
 
Waggles said:
You ought to follow up your studies by reading Ivan Panin and Bible Numerics.
Also John Bullinger has a book "Numbers In Scripture"

Panin discovered gematria in the Greek texts he was translating and published many
papers on the subject which he called Bible Numerics.

Yes God is the ultimate mathematician from the universe to his Word.
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Thanks for the information. I have Bullingers book but I have not heard of Ivan Panin
 
James37 said:
I have not talked about the word "bread" as it relates to the original scriptures one time. I have focused on the King James Bible and the 343rd (7 x 7 x 7) occurrence of the word "bread" in the ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE IS IN JOHN 21. What have I said beyond that? Are you calling me a liar and are you saying that it is not?
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we're already past the point where we discover that the actual scripture is not as important to you as the KJV.
you don't care about the scripture per se, you care about the KJV.

¡claro!

now we're at the point where we discover whether the number 37 is more important to you than the KJV -- because you are excited to see that the word "bread" appears in the actual OT scripture a number of times that is divisible by 37 -- though it does not do so in the KJV.

so, here's where we are on our ordered list of what you love:
you love KJV more than scripture.
you love 37

37 fits scripture better than 37 fits KJV.

which do you love more? i know scripture is 3rd in your heart, but which is 1st and which is 2nd? will you dump 37 for your devotion to KJV? or will you dump KJV for the sake of 37?
 
posthuman said:

we're already past the point where we discover that the actual scripture is not as important to you as the KJV.
you don't care about the scripture per se, you care about the KJV.

¡claro!

now we're at the point where we discover whether the number 37 is more important to you than the KJV -- because you are excited to see that the word "bread" appears in the actual OT scripture a number of times that is divisible by 37 -- though it does not do so in the KJV.

so, here's where we are on our ordered list of what you love:
you love KJV more than scripture.
you love 37

37 fits scripture better than 37 fits KJV.

which do you love more? i know scripture is 3rd in your heart, but which is 1st and which is 2nd? will you dump 37 for your devotion to KJV? or will you dump KJV for the sake of 37?
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Counting from Mark 1:1 to Revelation.

"the beginning" found in 37 verses
"the gospel" found in 74 (37x2) verses
"Jesus Christ" found in 185 (37x5) verses
"the Son" (case sensitive) found in 111 (37x3) verses
"Son of God" (case sensitive0 found in 37 verses

Disprove this and my assertion that the odds of this occurring by random chance is 1 in over 100 million. I did not include the patterns of 7 that are also present in this magnificent verse.
 
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