The King James Bible

[John146]

The above is patently false which is status quo for you. Only a person deceived by KJVOisms would be incapable of seeing the errors in the KJV translation.

Opinion followed by no facts...

 

[Adstar]

i read the king james bible. and believe it

and even i think this is pointless.

the verse and chapters help in navigating thru scripture. but often times we'd be better off without them so we can get a more full context instead of proof texting.

I think it is best to read the Bible like any other book.. Some people never seem to read the Bible like a book but they have been indoctrinated into beliefs by having diverse verses quoted to them.. Often verses that in context do not support the doctrine being put forward..

 

[preacher4truth]

i read the king james bible. and believe it

and even i think this is pointless.

the verse and chapters help in navigating thru scripture. but often times we'd be better off without them so we can get a more full context instead of proof texting.

Perhaps God allowed the chapter divisions so a certain group would spend time studying about a Bible version rather than what is in it?

Imagine spending the majority of your time looking for conspiracies, numerical nonsense, Satan under every rock and in every other version.

This is why few of the KJVO crowd have much sound doctrine elsewhere, nor do they understand the Bible accurately for the most part, nor do most of them understand the Gospel thoroughly.

Why? They spend most of their time arguing about a version and looking for signs, conspiracies and demons and are hoodwinked by liars such as G. A. Riplinger. They are in fact ensnared to cultic thinking, and they speak more of Satan than of Christ. They get fired up when a "preacher" is speaking about the KJVOisms, but when that isn't the subject, and Christ is, they are not nearly as interested.

 

[trofimus]

No inaccuracies have ever been proven in the KJV, fact.

Only in the same meaning like "No error was found in flat earth theory".

I.E. - only for those, who believe that. For logically thinking persons there are many errors, inaccuracies etc in both.

 

[preacher4truth]

Opinion followed by no facts...

You've been shown the errors of your version numerous times, yet you cannot see. I'll put it like this, no person ever comes to the KJVOism understanding by God, reading Scripture, or the Holy Spirit. All of you, every single one in the cultic KJVO camp, have been hoodwinked by man made heresy. You would have never arrived at your conclusions without a deceived person leading you astray.

That's a fact.

 

[John146]

Perhaps God allowed the chapter divisions so a certain group would spend time studying about a Bible version rather than what is in it?

Imagine spending the majority of your time looking for conspiracies, numerical nonsense, Satan under every rock and in every other version.

This is why few of the KJVO crowd have much sound doctrine elsewhere, nor do they understand the Bible accurately for the most part, nor do most of them understand the Gospel thoroughly.

Why? They spend most of their time arguing about a version and looking for signs, conspiracies and demons and are hoodwinked by liars such as G. A. Riplinger. They are in fact ensnared to cultic thinking, and they speak more of Satan than of Christ. They get fired up when a "preacher" is speaking about the KJVOisms, but when that isn't the subject, and Christ is, they are not nearly as interested.

Actually, we spend our time reading, studying and believing the words of God instead of finding alternate views to fit our personal theologies. No time is spent adding to or subtracting from the words of God.

 

[John146]

You've been shown the errors of your version numerous times, yet you cannot see. I'll put it like this, no person ever comes to the KJVOism understanding by God, reading Scripture, or the Holy Spirit. All of you, every single one in the cultic KJVO camp, have been hoodwinked by man made heresy. You would have never arrived at your conclusions without a deceived person leading you astray.

That's a fact.

More opinions and downgrading without facts.

 

[trofimus]

More opinions and downgrading without facts.

And what "facts" do you have?

 

[notuptome]

So has anyone considered giving God thanks that he at least reads his KJV? Where is the brotherly love on this subject?

While I agree it is unwise to go into all these computer computations about word sequencing but to blame it on the KJV seems pointless. If these other versions are not producing Christians that have a loving heart then I question the merit of those translations. Perhaps if you demonstrated love I would be encouraged to read different versions of the bible.

You can take virtually any translation and run it through enough computer matrixes and come up with something just a dubious as they have with the KJV. At the end of the day they are all translations without which we would need to learn ancient Hebrew and Greek. The Jews still argue over their Hebrew texts and they are reading them in the original manuscripts.

A heart that is right with God receives blessing from even the most menial of translations. It is not the translation but the Holy Spirit and the submission of the heart of man that is of greatest importance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[James37]

Thats not to point. The point is that such number games are silly and proving nothing.

You can do similar job with any other translation.

The only thing you need is some online word search engine with word counter and a lot of time to spend playing with it.

Prove it i you can.

 

[trofimus]

Prove it i you can.

I have better things to do than to invent such silly equations, sorry.

 

[Dino246]

This information concerns proof that the King James Bible is the word of God preserved for us in the English.

Use of the word “proof” in this context clearly indicates that you don't understand the concept. What you have is “evidence”, not “proof”. You may be convinced by it, and therefore consider it “proof” but that does not make it so for everyone.

The King James Bible is the word of God and it can be demonstrated as such using computer software.

There is a logical disconnect in your theory. Even if your arithmetic is sound, it does not, by itself, say anything about its origin. Fancy and convoluted arrangements of numbers do not necessarily point to God. There is no necessary causal connection between number patterns in text arrangements, and divine origin. Asserting that the complexity of the patterns must be divine does not prove it divine.

Further, for the point to be valid, the number arrangements would have to be present in the source material, primarily Hebrew and Greek. The problem is that there is no single source in either language for the KJV.

I am here to declare that even word like "the" "thee" "thou" "a" "of" are numbered in this book so that no one can say a man did this.

Here is a major problem with your theory. The King James version has many words added to the text that were not in the original languages. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:2, the word “unknown” was added. That fact completely undermines all validity of word counting. The translators added words, so any word-counting “evidence” is irrelevant. Printings of the KJV typically have “added” words italicized, so they are easy to identify. The chapter and verse counts have already been addressed, so we can consider those irrelevant.

Prove what I have stated to be false. There is no contest.

This is a logical fallacy known as a burden of proof reversal. Simply put, the one who asserts something as fact has the full responsibility to prove it as fact. There is no responsibility of others to disprove it. Your assertions are merely that until you have proven them.

I have already demonstrated that your theory is invalid. There is no need to disprove it.

The other Bibles have removed words from the Bible therefore; these patterns are unique to the King James Bible

Of course these patterns are unique to the KJV. That's because the wording is different in other translations. This point is no proof of anything and actually undermines your argument. Again, what was not in the original languages is irrelevant in the KJV.

Did you know that all forms of the word light (light, lightened, lighteth) occur exactly 7 x 37 times in the KJB? (you must not count occurrences such as "light bread" in Num. 21:5 and "she lighted off" Gen. 24:64).

This is a perfect example of inconvenient truth. Let's just ignore the words that don't fit the pattern.

The only King James Bible I concern myself with is the one I HAVE IN MY HANDS!

Which is why all your numerical patterns are merely interesting, but not proof in themselves. What you are claiming by this comment is that it wasn't the 1611 KJV that was inspired, but the 1769 Blayney revision of the KJV.

Using text in all capital letters is considered shouting. There is no need to shout; that is evidence only of your frustration.

The difference between you and I is that I believe God when He said He would preserve his word.

This is an argument ad hominem... against the person. If your position is so solid, as you believe, there should be no need to denigrate people who believe differently.

People who believe that God's preservation of His word is in a manner different than the manner you hold to don't believe that He has not preserved His word. Please don't misrepresent the views of others to bolster your position. That is intellectual dishonesty.

 

[James37]

Uh oh!! My rep is at 71. If it gets to 74...well, 74 is 37 x 2. I am doomed.

Here is an easy pattern

Jesus Christ = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times in KJB
son of man = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times in KJB
book(s) = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) times JKJB

"Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." Hebrews 10:7

word = 196 (7 x 7 x 4) verses in the New Testament

 

[James37]

Use of the word “proof” in this context clearly indicates that you don't understand the concept. What you have is “evidence”, not “proof”. You may be convinced by it, and therefore consider it “proof” but that does not make it so for everyone.



There is a logical disconnect in your theory. Even if your arithmetic is sound, it does not, by itself, say anything about its origin. Fancy and convoluted arrangements of numbers do not necessarily point to God. There is no necessary causal connection between number patterns in text arrangements, and divine origin. Asserting that the complexity of the patterns must be divine does not prove it divine.

Further, for the point to be valid, the number arrangements would have to be present in the source material, primarily Hebrew and Greek. The problem is that there is no single source in either language for the KJV.



Here is a major problem with your theory. The King James version has many words added to the text that were not in the original languages. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:2, the word “unknown” was added. That fact completely undermines all validity of word counting. The translators added words, so any word-counting “evidence” is irrelevant. Printings of the KJV typically have “added” words italicized, so they are easy to identify. The chapter and verse counts have already been addressed, so we can consider those irrelevant.



This is a logical fallacy known as a burden of proof reversal. Simply put, the one who asserts something as fact has the full responsibility to prove it as fact. There is no responsibility of others to disprove it. Your assertions are merely that until you have proven them.

I have already demonstrated that your theory is invalid. There is no need to disprove it.



Of course these patterns are unique to the KJV. That's because the wording is different in other translations. This point is no proof of anything and actually undermines your argument. Again, what was not in the original languages is irrelevant in the KJV.



This is a perfect example of inconvenient truth. Let's just ignore the words that don't fit the pattern.



Which is why all your numerical patterns are merely interesting, but not proof in themselves. What you are claiming by this comment is that it wasn't the 1611 KJV that was inspired, but the 1769 Blayney revision of the KJV.

Using text in all capital letters is considered shouting. There is no need to shout; that is evidence only of your frustration.



This is an argument ad hominem... against the person. If your position is so solid, as you believe, there should be no need to denigrate people who believe differently.

People who believe that God's preservation of His word is in a manner different than the manner you hold to don't believe that He has not preserved His word. Please don't misrepresent the views of others to bolster your position. That is intellectual dishonesty.

What you fail to understand that God did the translating and what is and will continue to be shown is that this did not occur by random chance. If not by random chance then was it of men or of God. No one here has proven that there are no such patterns.

 

[Willie-T]

And I thought most of us on here seem not to have much of a life......... This *James37* must be the king of all nerds.

 

[Snoozy]

What you fail to understand that God did the translating and what is and will continue to be shown is that this did not occur by random chance. If not by random chance then was it of men or of God. No one here has proven that there are no such patterns.

this is almost idolatry. God didnt translate the kjv come on

and mind u. im probably labeled on this forum as a kjv wingnut. im trying im trying. i spoke with big uce VCO about this and he has convinced me to read the holman christian standard bible a bit.

 

[Dino246]

And John 3:16 is quoted falsely in most new translations.

What evidence do you have for this assertion?

When words change, meanings change with it. We should keep up with the bible instead of changing the bible to keep up with us. Do you understand how perverse that sounds in God's ears? Changing His word to fit our needs?

Unless you are God, and I am certain you aren't, you have no idea either how this sounds in God's ears.

The whole point of this post is completely undermined by the fact that the KJV is in English, not Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Why? Because the people of 17th century England needed God's word in their own language. The English-speaking people of the 21st century need the word of God in their own language. 17th-century English is not 21st-century English!

 

[Christian71]

I have better things to do than to invent such silly equations, sorry.

I know math too... 3=1 and 1=3... That's the biblical pattern... Brother Glen

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

 

[James37]

[FONT=&quot]"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." (Genesis 2:23-24)

Here in the King James Bible Adam speaks exactly 46 words. 23 from the mom and 23 from the dad for a total 46 chromosomes. You can take this book literal.

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[James37]

I know math too... 3=1 and 1=3... Brother Glen

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 John 5:7 is one of the most heavily patterned verses in the King James Bible. In fact the number 157 is the 37th prime number. I will post it here before the day is done.