The Judgment Seat Of Christ!
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“Are we(believers) not all ministers and preachers(ambassadors) for Christ?”
We’re supposed to be by the way we live yes , but no we aren’t all builders of doctrine like Paul’s talking about he makes a clear distinction the wholes subject is an issue because they are all arguing about which person they should be following instead of explaining it away let’s just examine that the apostle is saying ? And see if it makes any sense
This is an apostle and minister of Gods word speaking to the church at Corinth because of thier behavior let’s see how he begins
“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual,
but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?”
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 KJV
Doesn’t it seem like Paul is addressing a situation where they have been arguing about which minister they should be following ? Seems like it without explaining anything I mean if I just read that and then hear what he continues to say from there to see if he makes a distinction between ministers which he’s talking about and the church he’s talking to
“Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: ( I planted your church in Corinth and appolos watered )and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we ( i and applos ) are labourers together with God:
ye ( the church whom I’ve written this to ) are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. ( not laborers together with God building the church but you are the church I planted and appolos watered )
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another ( appolos ) buildeth thereon.
But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. ( anyone else who begins to teach doctrine ) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. ( can’t remove the gospel of Jesus Christ from doctrine ) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
again he is making a distinction between the laborers and the church )
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God,( the church of believers ) him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.”
1 Corinthians 3:5-23 KJV
It doesn’t seem to me that this has anything to do with eternal judgement these kings of things are about eternal judgement
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV
This kind of thing is
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:22, 24-29 KJV
this kind of stuff is
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.
……in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to our gospel.”
Romans 2:5-11, 16 KJV
I’m not sure We should reject the things he’s actually saying about eternal judgement and then apply the things he’s saying about ministers and doctrine addressing a situation where they were arguing about who to follow but it’s just an old fools opinion nothing more
We’re supposed to be by the way we live yes , but no we aren’t all builders of doctrine like Paul’s talking about he makes a clear distinction the wholes subject is an issue because they are all arguing about which person they should be following instead of explaining it away let’s just examine that the apostle is saying ? And see if it makes any sense
This is an apostle and minister of Gods word speaking to the church at Corinth because of thier behavior let’s see how he begins
“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual,
but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?”
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 KJV
Doesn’t it seem like Paul is addressing a situation where they have been arguing about which minister they should be following ? Seems like it without explaining anything I mean if I just read that and then hear what he continues to say from there to see if he makes a distinction between ministers which he’s talking about and the church he’s talking to
“Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: ( I planted your church in Corinth and appolos watered )and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we ( i and applos ) are labourers together with God:
ye ( the church whom I’ve written this to ) are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. ( not laborers together with God building the church but you are the church I planted and appolos watered )
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another ( appolos ) buildeth thereon.
But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. ( anyone else who begins to teach doctrine ) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. ( can’t remove the gospel of Jesus Christ from doctrine ) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
again he is making a distinction between the laborers and the church )
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God,( the church of believers ) him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.”
1 Corinthians 3:5-23 KJV
It doesn’t seem to me that this has anything to do with eternal judgement these kings of things are about eternal judgement
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJV
This kind of thing is
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:22, 24-29 KJV
this kind of stuff is
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.
……in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to our gospel.”
Romans 2:5-11, 16 KJV
I’m not sure We should reject the things he’s actually saying about eternal judgement and then apply the things he’s saying about ministers and doctrine addressing a situation where they were arguing about who to follow but it’s just an old fools opinion nothing more
1 Cor 3:
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Yes. But we sometimes label such things as "Judgements". In this case "Bema Seat Judgement."
No need to get upset by mere labels. You can call it the "Bema Bonfire" if you like.
No need to get upset by mere labels. You can call it the "Bema Bonfire" if you like.
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
I don’t think we should reject what the Bible says and then pretend there’s something it doesn’t talk about
yoy all are talking about this “ bema “ seat where are the scriptures about this other judgement where no one is judged acorroding to thier deeds ? those scriptures so I’ve are what Paul wrote detailing judgement day where are the ones talking about “ the bema “ seat this other different judgment ? I don’t think they exist it’s made up
Believers only:
Rom 14:10~~But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 Cor 5:10~~For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
béma: a step, raised place, by impl. a tribunal
Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: béma
Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma)
Definition: a step, raised place, by implication a tribunal
Usage: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.
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Unbelievers only:
Rev 20:11~~And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
thronos: a throne
Original Word: θρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thronos
Phonetic Spelling: (thron'-os)
Definition: a throne
Usage: a (king's) throne, seat; meton: power, dominion; a potentate.
Rom 14:10~~But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
2 Cor 5:10~~For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
béma: a step, raised place, by impl. a tribunal
Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: béma
Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma)
Definition: a step, raised place, by implication a tribunal
Usage: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.
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Unbelievers only:
Rev 20:11~~And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
thronos: a throne
Original Word: θρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thronos
Phonetic Spelling: (thron'-os)
Definition: a throne
Usage: a (king's) throne, seat; meton: power, dominion; a potentate.
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well its true isn't it according to a lot of people around here, But not me, don't a lot of so called Christians here believe the prophets are all dead and there is only false prophets left.
I mean I know of a Christian who who wanted to kill himself, because no one would believe he could speak for the lord. I wouldn't be surprised if he's dead to.
I mean where's the real truth around here.
Either all the prophets are dead or not, which one is it.
Me personally.
I believe John the apostle was made a prophet after Christ.
But according to a common view here, noo they say say.
Rubbish they say.. you you you they say
I mean I know of a Christian who who wanted to kill himself, because no one would believe he could speak for the lord. I wouldn't be surprised if he's dead to.
I mean where's the real truth around here.
Either all the prophets are dead or not, which one is it.
Me personally.
I believe John the apostle was made a prophet after Christ.
But according to a common view here, noo they say say.
Rubbish they say.. you you you they say
Brother who doesn’t this apply to ? The people it’s written to ? Jew gentile ? Who’s excluded from this ?
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
is your argument that this isn’t meant for believers who Paul wrote these words to ? Or that the rest of the world isn’t going to be judged that way ? Brother there’s one judge since the gospel was declared
It’s Jesus he’s the judge
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
are you saying this is. Ot to be accepted by believers or ? Not really sure about many different judgements I know there’s one judge and I know who he is and what he said I think that’s the way to understand his judgement by just hearing and believing what he said
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:22, 24, 26-29 KJV
Notice what Paul was teaching
God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile
these things are written to believers brother because they will accomplish repentance if we don’t reject them
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
Remember again what pul was teaching
forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;”
They all taught the same judgement the one Jesus taught the only difference is the twelve apostles will judge the twelve tribes that rejected Jesus based on the ot and what Jesus told them in the gospel Christian’s all have one judgement the whole world does it’s why we need to accept the gospel it’s our judgement we either accept it or reject it that’s going to lead to our judgement
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s a day of judgement coming for everyone at the same time the same day
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:4-11 KJV
is your argument that this isn’t meant for believers who Paul wrote these words to ? Or that the rest of the world isn’t going to be judged that way ? Brother there’s one judge since the gospel was declared
It’s Jesus he’s the judge
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
are you saying this is. Ot to be accepted by believers or ? Not really sure about many different judgements I know there’s one judge and I know who he is and what he said I think that’s the way to understand his judgement by just hearing and believing what he said
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:22, 24, 26-29 KJV
Notice what Paul was teaching
God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile
these things are written to believers brother because they will accomplish repentance if we don’t reject them
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
Remember again what pul was teaching
forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;”
They all taught the same judgement the one Jesus taught the only difference is the twelve apostles will judge the twelve tribes that rejected Jesus based on the ot and what Jesus told them in the gospel Christian’s all have one judgement the whole world does it’s why we need to accept the gospel it’s our judgement we either accept it or reject it that’s going to lead to our judgement
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
there’s a day of judgement coming for everyone at the same time the same day
No, the word used in both Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30 is the word "JUDGING [participle]"... that is, it is something they will ONGOINGLY DO (throughout the earthly Millennial Kingdom age).
And it is not a kind of "judge" [judgment] pertaining to those who REJECTED Jesus and His words... but those who BELIEVE and will ENTER the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age in their mortal bodies (as "still-living" at the point of Jesus' RETURN to the earth FOR the MK age).
Not regarding the UNbelieving [/UNsaved] among them (who will NOT enter)!
It is used in the same sense as the following passages:
--2 Chronicles 26:21 (see in LXX for all of these--SAME WORD) - "And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the LORD: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging [participle] the people of the land."
(referring to an ONGOING sense; not a "one-time- / momentary judgment");
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ch/26/21/p0/t_concl_393021
--Psalm 9:4 - "For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the throne judging [participle] right."
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/psa/9/4/p0/t_concl_487004
--Isaiah 16:5 - "And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging [participle], and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness."
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/16/5/p0/t_concl_695005
(i.e. in an ONGOING SENSE... like we use the word "governing" or "ruling"... THAT kind of "judgING" is what Jesus was saying "the 12" WILL BE DOING... "judgING the 12 tribes of Israel"... the ones who [as "still-living" persons at that time being spoken of] will ENTER that future MK age in their mortal bodies).
[As @oyster67 has said, "The Bible does talk about the testing of believers' works and their different associated rewards. We must never get stuck in the rut of thinking there is just one judgement. They are many, and of diverse types." Agreed! The matter being spoken of in Matthew 19:28 / Luke 22:30 is NOT the same as the "BEMA" of Christ ("judgment seat of Christ") which is solely for "the Church which is His body" and for "reward" (not "salvation")]
And it is not a kind of "judge" [judgment] pertaining to those who REJECTED Jesus and His words... but those who BELIEVE and will ENTER the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age in their mortal bodies (as "still-living" at the point of Jesus' RETURN to the earth FOR the MK age).
Not regarding the UNbelieving [/UNsaved] among them (who will NOT enter)!
It is used in the same sense as the following passages:
--2 Chronicles 26:21 (see in LXX for all of these--SAME WORD) - "And Uzziah the king was a leper unto the day of his death, and dwelt in a several house, being a leper; for he was cut off from the house of the LORD: and Jotham his son was over the king's house, judging [participle] the people of the land."
(referring to an ONGOING sense; not a "one-time- / momentary judgment");
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ch/26/21/p0/t_concl_393021
--Psalm 9:4 - "For thou hast maintained my right and my cause; thou satest in the throne judging [participle] right."
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/psa/9/4/p0/t_concl_487004
--Isaiah 16:5 - "And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging [participle], and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness."
- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/16/5/p0/t_concl_695005
(i.e. in an ONGOING SENSE... like we use the word "governing" or "ruling"... THAT kind of "judgING" is what Jesus was saying "the 12" WILL BE DOING... "judgING the 12 tribes of Israel"... the ones who [as "still-living" persons at that time being spoken of] will ENTER that future MK age in their mortal bodies).
[As @oyster67 has said, "The Bible does talk about the testing of believers' works and their different associated rewards. We must never get stuck in the rut of thinking there is just one judgement. They are many, and of diverse types." Agreed! The matter being spoken of in Matthew 19:28 / Luke 22:30 is NOT the same as the "BEMA" of Christ ("judgment seat of Christ") which is solely for "the Church which is His body" and for "reward" (not "salvation")]
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^ I had meant to place these two verses in that post also:
Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging [participle] the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging [participle] the twelve tribes of Israel.
Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging [participle] the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging [participle] the twelve tribes of Israel.
……
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:9-11
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:9-12 KJV
There’s nothing escaping judgement day, if we accept the judges word in the gospel well Be alright brother and as far as this goes sort of just says what it says right?
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Matthew 19:28 KJV
the twelve tribes are who the law was given to
As for all nations ? They will be judged by this word given to them
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
We can be believers like this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Or non believer’s like this
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
The twelve tribes are judged by the law given to them by God through Moses the law that divided the land and made thier covenant and commandments promises of blessings and cursings
jesus said those who followed him then would judge the twelve tribes when he returned to judge the world by the word they were given
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
There’s always repentance and belief in Jesus whether a Jew or gentile that saves us and remits our sins so we don’t carry them to judgemen
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:9-11
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;
they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:28-29
“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
Romans 2:5-11 KJV
“For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:9-12 KJV
There’s nothing escaping judgement day, if we accept the judges word in the gospel well Be alright brother and as far as this goes sort of just says what it says right?
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Matthew 19:28 KJV
the twelve tribes are who the law was given to
As for all nations ? They will be judged by this word given to them
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
We can be believers like this
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Or non believer’s like this
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
The twelve tribes are judged by the law given to them by God through Moses the law that divided the land and made thier covenant and commandments promises of blessings and cursings
jesus said those who followed him then would judge the twelve tribes when he returned to judge the world by the word they were given
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
There’s always repentance and belief in Jesus whether a Jew or gentile that saves us and remits our sins so we don’t carry them to judgemen