No. Jesus already moved into the Most Holy Place, long after His ascension. See Revelation 3:7-8 and Daniel 7:13. It took place on the day of atonement, Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 11:1, 14:6-7.
The Irreducible Complex System (Psa. 77:13)
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NayborBear
Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
You are quite correct DC!
Jesus does not need sacrifice Himself over, and over, and over again.
Nor? Should He!
(Wish I could stay longer...but, places to go, people to see, things to do....such is life, eh?
)Jesus doesn't need to, and this is where I believe this gentleman, or woman, is trying to say. And what many believers "assume", and are overcompensating, and, in so doing? Piling up on our Lord and Savior, MORE then our Father which sent Him? Sent Him to do!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Jesus did that which He was sent to do? So, that "we" as "lively stones", building up a "spiritual house, an Holy Priesthood?"
Can do THAT which Peter was trying to convey in verse 5 above.
IOW? People are putting these "spiritual sacrifices" ONTO Christ! And NOT unto He who SENT Christ!
Thus, FORCING Christ into becoming THE FATHER!
Thus forcing God, to cause people in BELIEVING THIS LIE!
Not good!
False........the verse below SHOWS he entered the MOST HOLY PLACE.....dude you are soooooo missing the facts and truth and teh following verse ALSO proves you no blood view false as well
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
No one is saying He should or even can:
Rom_6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Why misrepresent what is stated?
AMEN......note the following
but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
That's what I said. Holy place. Not Most Holy Place. Thank you for pointing that out once again.
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eternally-gratefull
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I thought we were talking about how our sins are forgiven, and we are sanctified justified and glorified.
AND I say you are false.....the following verse MAKES IT CLEAR where he entered....and lying does not help your cause pal....
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing which is a symbol for the present time. Accordingly both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make the worshiper perfect in conscience, But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
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eternally-gratefull
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Eternal redemption could not be made in just a holy place..
This thread has become a waste of time......it is impossible to engage a dishonest person that twists everything out of context.......end of story!!
Sins (past) are forgiven (covered, remitted), not yet blotted out. That takes place at the end of the Day of Atonement.
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Psa_32:1 A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa_85:2 Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah.
"covered" sin = "forgiven" sin
Forgiven/covered sin can be unforgiven, uncovered, unremitted during the Day of Atonement, see Matthew 18 to begin with.
Forgiven sin does not equal blotted out sin. Many scriptures on this.
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eternally-gratefull
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Well if we look at OT sins. It was not yet covered, because Christ had not yet come.
At this point, they are all covered. Thats why paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord. This could not happen if sins were not yet blotted out.
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eternally-gratefull
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I am still waiting for what needs to be added to the cross..
Sigh. Book, Chapter Verse please. I am not interested in your private opinion or interpretation.
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eternally-gratefull
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Sigh
All you have is your opinion.
I am talkin about the law
Redemption could not be made in just any holy place. It could only be made in the most holy place. And once a year..
Are you going to gewt to your point> what must be added to the cross for us to be eternally saved?
Work of the High Priest - Hebrews & Revelation & Daniel & Leviticus 16 & 23, etc. Calvary was the completing of the Courtyard and "daily" there. There was yet the "daily" to do in the Holy Place, and finally the "yearly" in the Most Holy Place. Calvary was the laying of the foundation stone. The beginning. The laying of the perfect character.
Jesus took our sins, and must still address those.
Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Let's begin again and see what is the discrepancy between us.
Do you acknowledge, as I do (based upon scripture, Hebrews, Revelation, etc), that there is a real Sanctuary that Jesus ascended to in the 3rd Heaven?
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7seasrekeyed
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and since we also have irreducible and complex doin a happy dance, we also have cement. mixed up and set
Amen.......I am done addressing his blather......Jesus is the High Priest and the whole book of Hebrews contrasts the Priesthood of JESUS against the Levitical priesthood which could not do what Christ has done....it is obvious that Christ, by HIS OWN BLOOD entered into the Holiest PLACE in heaven which was represented by the Holiest of Holies ON EARTH by the tabernacle/temple.....He told the woman...do not yet touch me for I have not ascended to the Father.....<---HE had an offering to make IN the PRESENCE of the Heavenly FATHER....
That is what he is MISSING......the Holiest of Holies REPRESENTED HEAVEN before the THRONE.....and his blather and drivilistic approach has reached a fever pitch....
If one is blind to the truth they cannot be reasoned with.......he is devaluing what Christ has done and in so doing he is proving that he is not of GOD.....
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