The Holy Spirit and Salvation !

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Cameron143

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!Must is not a request or suggestion!
It's simple an indicative statement...a statement of fact. The fact that it isn't in the imperative means it isn't something that the individual is to do. It is something done to the individual. In this case, by water and the Spirit.
 

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It's simple an indicative statement...a statement of fact. The fact that it isn't in the imperative means it isn't something that the individual is to do. It is something done to the individual. In this case, by water and the Spirit.
It is something that is imperative for a sinner who wants to be saved to do in every case by accepting/believing in Christ as Messiah and Lord.
 

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It is something that is imperative for a sinner who wants to be saved to do in every case by accepting/believing in Christ as Messiah and Lord.
You miss my point. It is something every believer will do as a result of the working of God in them. The exciting force is the Spirit of God.
 

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You miss my point. It is something every believer will do as a result of the working of God in them. The exciting force is the Spirit of God.
You did not say what "it" is, but if it refers to learning GW or loving fruit, then I like your point.
 

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You did not say what "it" is, but if it refers to learning GW or loving fruit, then I like your point.
It are all the things associated with salvation: repentance, baptism, belief, confession, calling on the name of the Lord, etc.
 

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It are all the things associated with salvation: repentance, baptism, belief, confession, calling on the name of the Lord, etc.
Sounds good, and right on topic, too!
(TTYL :^)
 

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He communicates the Covenant Promises !

Eternal Salvation, or Eternal life is premised upon a Promise, a Covenant Promise centered in the Blood of Jesus Christ. For His Precious blood gives Life ! He was given as Covenant to the People Isa 42:6

I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Based upon the Fact that Jesus Christ has met all the conditions and fulfilled them all for those He was given as a Covenant both of the Jews and Gentiles, they receive Life, Eternal Life through Him Rom 6:23

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This Gift of Eternal Life through Him is no more an offer than the wages of sin was an offer. The wages of sin , death was merited through our disobedience in Adam, and likewise, Eternal Life was merited for those Christ represented by his obedience. Just as a corrupted Physical life is communicated because of our disobedience in Adam, so a Spiritual and Eternal Life is communicated because of the Covenant keeping obedience of Jesus Christ !1

It is the Holy Spirit that implements the Covenant Promise to the Elect of God through Jesus Christ Isa 54:13

13And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.

So Jesus says to the Representatives of the Elect Church, His Apostles these words Jn 14:26


26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost will be sent in Christ Name, that is based upon His Finished work, His redemptive work of the Cross, and Teach the Church, those He gave Himself for Eph 5:25 all things, that is all things in regards to Christ accomplishments on their behalf through His blood. Yes, I know this was specifically said to the disciples, but they stood for His Church, All that should believe on Him through their word Jn 17:20

20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Did not John write to ordinary believers in His 1 Epistle 1 Jn 2:27,20


20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

27But the anointing[The Holy Spirit] which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

See the similarity this verse has with what Jesus promised in Jn 14:26 ?

He shall teach you all things ? So 1 Jn 2:27 is the fulfillment of the Promise Jesus made to The Church represented by His Twelve Chosen Apostles in Jn 14:26. And this be the fulfillment of the Covenant Promise of Isa 54:13 which is the result of Christ being given as a Covenant to the People Isa 42:6.

So this Teaching work of the Spirit in an inner work and is the outcome of a Covenant Promise, which was based upon the Blood of the Covenant, the Blood of Christ Matt 26:28 and Heb 13:20-21

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

You see that ? Working in you ! The Holy Spirit must communicate Life, Spiritual life and begin His work in each soul Christ died for. Phil 1:6

6Being confident of this very thing, that he[The Spirit of God] which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Paul could be confident of this, because he understood that these things were happening because of Faithfulness to the Everlasting Covenant, and the Spirits application of those Covenant promises..
 

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It's simple an indicative statement...a statement of fact. The fact that it isn't in the imperative means it isn't something that the individual is to do. It is something done to the individual. In this case, by water and the Spirit.
Hi what do you mean by water ?
 

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I actually agree with that, just that the Gospel doesnt give life, the Spirit alone does that,but the Gospel births or brings it to light. 2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

The Gospel has a purifying effect to the regenerated.
 

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I actually agree with that, just that the Gospel doesnt give life, the Spirit alone does that,but the Gospel births or brings it to light. 2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

The Gospel has a purifying effect to the regenerated.
The gospel is the means by which the Spirit, having imparted life, proclaims what God has done on behalf of the individual. But faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. In salvation, the 2 are inexorably linked...John 3:5.
 

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The gospel is the means by which the Spirit, having imparted life, proclaims what God has done on behalf of the individual. But faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. In salvation, the 2 are inexorably linked...John 3:5.
You lost me, however I have made myself clear on what I believe.
 

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The indispensable Work of the Holy Ghost !


John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So indispensable is the Work of God the Spirit that no one is saved without it Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The Holy Spirit's work in us is just as essential and needful as the Work of the Father in Eternity and the Work of the Son at the Cross. For it is by the Spirit alone that Elect, and Redeemed sinners are brought into experiential salvation and the experience of the Grace given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9, that was purchased for them by the blood of Christ! It is He that takes the things of Christ and reveals them to each redeemed sinner Christ died for ! Jn 16:14, He will convince the elect of sin, of righteousness and of Judgment Jn 16:8, all knowledge of Christ and Faith in Him is by the Work of the Spirit. It is not until He quickens the elect, that they are by nature as others dead in trespasses and sins, and are by nature as others children of wrath. So it is the work of God the Holy Spirit that gives us to know of our interest in the Everlasting Covenant, our Election and redemption in Christ ! 2
 

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It is the Work of God the Holy Spirit to reveal the crucified and Risen Lord of Glory into the Hearts of Chosen sinners, in order that they Trust in Him for all of their Salvation. He shows them their interest in God's Everlasting Covenant 2 Sam 23:5

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Ps 25:14

The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

John 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

He teaches them their need for Christ as sinners, He shews them Christ's Righteousness for them, His Imputed Righteousness, laid to their Charge, as Gift of God's Grace. He shows them the efficaciousness of the Death of Christ ,over sin, the world and the devil and Judgment. He guides them into all relevant Truth, for their Faith to Grow in the Knowledge of the Son of God.
 

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It is the Work of God the Holy Spirit to reveal the crucified and Risen Lord of Glory into the Hearts of Chosen sinners, in order that they Trust in Him for all of their Salvation. He shows them their interest in God's Everlasting Covenant 2 Sam 23:5

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Ps 25:14

The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

John 16:13-14

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

He teaches them their need for Christ as sinners, He shews them Christ's Righteousness for them, His Imputed Righteousness, laid to their Charge, as Gift of God's Grace. He shows them the efficaciousness of the Death of Christ ,over sin, the world and the devil and Judgment. He guides them into all relevant Truth, for their Faith to Grow in the Knowledge of the Son of God.
I see that you are able to use the bold feature, but for some reason I lost that bar--it is showing up only light gray. Hmm.
(Where is a computer geek when you need him? :^)
 

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All Three Beings of the One Godhead took part in the Salvation of the Elect, from its Eternal Purpose to its actual application of each vessel of mercy. Now it is the Covenant Work of God the Holy Spirit to make known to God's Elect, their Salvation to their consciousness. Thats being Justified by the Spirit of God as stated in 1 Cor 6:11

11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Here Paul tells these believers that they were Justified in the Name of the Lord !

What does Paul mean by they were sanctified and Justified in the Name of the Lord ? The word Name means everything that Person represents, so they had been Sanctified and Justified by the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. They were Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

They were made Righteous by His Obedience Rom 5:19


19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

They were Sanctified by His Offering of Himself for them Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This simply means, they were set apart unto the Holy Purpose of God by Christ Death or Blood !

Now this being the case, they must be Sanctified experimentally, this is the Work of God the Holy Spirit 2 Thess 2:13


13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

This Sanctifying Work follows behind the Person and Work of Jesus Christ as it is stated in 1 Cor 6:11

The Spirit of God in His Justification of us, He reveals in us and to us what Christ has done for us by His work of the Cross. He lets us in on it Eph 1:9

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

The Elect know nothing of their Salvation in Christ until it is made known unto them by the Spirit of God.

He reveals unto the consciousness of all those Christ died for that they are Truly Children of God Rom 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: or the Children of Promise:

Rom 9:8

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now it is through this Work of the Spirit that the Elect become Believers, through this Covenant Work of His, God the Holy Spirit !