The hatred of Jews

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ThereRoseaLamb

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This is just another variant of the prosperity gospel and a heresy. If we are to judge correctness of theology by blessings in this life, all of Jesus' discples were wrong given their horrific deaths as martyrs. Even John wasn't very right, given he lived out his days in exile (as God protected him from martyrdom).

When God says to bless, that's what He means. You bless, He blesses you, you curses, He curses you. Black and white.

Now back to the question I have asked you to give the answer to twice. What do you mean by scamdemic and my credibility to speak??!
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Notice they can state the country has sinners,
Every country has sinners. Can these dry bones live? The answer is, yes!

and they will also admit that the nation was started by "evil" wealthy men,
No such thing. Tinfoil hat conspiracy.

And yet I have to wonder, you are well studied in the OT, did God bless the chosen people and give them land when they were in rebellion?
Nope. They lost use of the land when they disobeyed, but the haven't lost the deed. They don't have the full land now that they were promised. They will, or God's a liar. I'm bettin' on the first answer.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Says the one who couldn't see the scamdemic conspiracy 'till well after it became obvious? I think you've lost your right to comment on what's conspiracy theory and what's conspiracy fact with any shred of credibility. Sure, you may pick it up when 75% of the rest of the population gets it, but it will be way past too late by then.

Yeah, I wouldn't punch too much at CV if I were you. You don't seem to mind throwing around accusations yourself, and give no answer for them.
 

cv5

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Notice they can state the country has sinners, and they will also admit that the nation was started by "evil" wealthy men, but somehow it all okay because this is the way God is closing the real estate deal of the OT.

And yet I have to wonder, you are well studied in the OT, did God bless the chosen people and give them land when they were in rebellion?

I think not, but maybe you know about a situation in the OT where rebellion earned rewards?
I call to your attention the fact that the Jews will take possession of the land because they WILL repent and receive their God. And its gonna take the horrors of the GT for them to get there.
 

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Says the one who couldn't see the scamdemic conspiracy 'till well after it became obvious? I think you've lost your right to comment on what's conspiracy theory and what's conspiracy fact with any shred of credibility. Sure, you may pick it up when 75% of the rest of the population gets it, but it will be way past too late by then.
Are you kidding? I had the COVID scam nailed in about three weeks.
 

GaryA

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Are you kidding? I had the COVID scam nailed in about three weeks.
Are you kidding? I had the COVID scam nailed before it started.

Why? Because, I knew enough already to recognize it for what it was the very moment it first showed up...

Now - my real intent for saying that is to say this:

Don't brag about it - just strive to help other folks see and understand the truth. ;)

Thank God in humility that He enabled you to see the truth about it - some folks are still blind concerning the truth about it... :(

:coffee:
 

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Now back to the question I have asked you to give the answer to twice. What do you mean by scamdemic and my credibility to speak??!
@Moses_Young my friend - would you please answer her question - I am thinking that, all-in-all, it would be the right thing to do - and, do the most good...
 

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Every country has sinners. Can these dry bones live? The answer is, yes!
Absolutely, yes! (y)

BUT - those dry bones do not yet live (prophetically speaking) - and, will not until after the Second Coming of Christ.

No such thing. Tinfoil hat conspiracy.
No, dear - it is not a "conspiracy theory" - it is historical fact - believe it or not... ;)

Nope. They lost use of the land when they disobeyed, but the haven't lost the deed. They don't have the full land now that they were promised. They will, or God's a liar. I'm bettin' on the first answer.
Me too! :)

Because, God is not a liar. :cool:

However - the land promise will not be fulfilled until after the Second Coming of Christ.

You need to understand this.

For one thing - when God fulfills the promise by giving them all of the land He has promised - He will do it all at once - not "a little at a time" through great hardship and struggle until they [eventually] own it all - think about this!

You need to understand this.

No matter how much you want to believe it - 1948/1967 WAS NOT the "beginning" of fulfillment of the dry bones prophecy.

You need to understand this.

Anyone who believes that does not understand the prophecy - especially, in all of its detail - which does not match the events, land boundaries, etc. of 1948/1967!

You need to understand this.

:coffee:
 

HeIsHere

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Absolutely, yes! (y)

BUT - those dry bones do not yet live (prophetically speaking) - and, will not until after the Second Coming of Christ.


No, dear - it is not a "conspiracy theory" - it is historical fact - believe it or not... ;)


Me too! :)

Because, God is not a liar. :cool:

However - the land promise will not be fulfilled until after the Second Coming of Christ.

You need to understand this.

For one thing - when God fulfills the promise by giving them all of the land He has promised - He will do it all at once - not "a little at a time" through great hardship and struggle until they [eventually] own it all - think about this!

You need to understand this.

No matter how much you want to believe it - 1948/1967 WAS NOT the "beginning" of fulfillment of the dry bones prophecy.

You need to understand this.

Anyone who believes that does not understand the prophecy - especially, in all of its detail - which does not match the events, land boundaries, etc. of 1948/1967!

You need to understand this.

:coffee:
The land promise has been fulfilled.

The dry bones prophecy has been fulfilled


Correct is it not a conspiracy theory.
 

HeIsHere

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@Moses_Young my friend - would you please answer her question - I am thinking that, all-in-all, it would be the right thing to do - and, do the most good...

:rolleyes: yeah I am rolling my eyes.

I think he @Moses_Young has displayed tremendous patience and decorum considering all the nasty name calling hurled at him, along with the fact that he has

probably answered umpteen times and most of the time it just plain old what "aboutism" to divert from the actual point of contention.
 

cv5

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Are you kidding? I had the COVID scam nailed before it started.

Why? Because, I knew enough already to recognize it for what it was the very moment it first showed up...
Why? Because I engaged in an immediate mission to obtain every fact that was available. This effort took about three weeks or so.
It was not a full dataset.....but it was enough to comprehend the basic scheme.

And because of this up-front sweat equity, we then pursued a course of action to best nullify a worst-case outcome.

Which of course included refusing to be vaccinated. My wife had a close call with her employer, but she maintained privacy and refused to be intimidated.

So we are all good man. And yea......we both caught COVID and got natural immunity. That was also part of the plan.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Absolutely, yes! (y)

BUT - those dry bones do not yet live (prophetically speaking) - and, will not until after the Second Coming of Christ.
We are agreed here.

No, dear - it is not a "conspiracy theory" - it is historical fact - believe it or not... ;)
Well, perhaps someone could start a thread on just that. The history of the Jews from the OT through to today. That could be quite an interesting discussion!


That's the good "me too"!

Because, God is not a liar. :cool:
Agreed!


However - the land promise will not be fulfilled until after the Second Coming of Christ. :geek:

For one thing - when God fulfills the promise by giving them all of the land He has promised - He will do it all at once - not "a little at a time" through great hardship and struggle until they [eventually] own it all - think about this!
You need to understand this.
Agreed, and it much more land then they have today.

No matter how much you want to believe it - 1948/1967 WAS NOT the "beginning" of fulfillment of the dry bones prophecy.

You need to understand this.
Ahh, but it started God's prophetic time clock. God is drawing the Jews back from where they were scattered. They needed a homeland for that. Their homeland, Israel.

Anyone who believes that does not understand the prophecy - especially, in all of its detail - which does not match the events, land boundaries, etc. of 1948/1967!

You need to understand this.

:coffee:
No, there is much more land, and it will be theirs and there will be peace. I did not say that time is now. They are still in disbelief. Romans 11 tells us how it all will unfold. God has not forgotten the Jews.
 

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For one thing - when God fulfills the promise by giving them all of the land He has promised - He will do it all at once - not "a little at a time" through great hardship and struggle until they [eventually] own it all - think about this!
Like aaahhhhhmmm a split second? How about 15 minutes. OK 3 1/2 years?
How about 57 years?

Do you know how long "at once" is? Really? Or are you just trotting out hyperbolic nonsense.?
 

GaryA

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:rolleyes: yeah I am rolling my eyes.

I think he @Moses_Young has displayed tremendous patience and decorum considering all the nasty name calling hurled at him, along with the fact that he has

probably answered umpteen times and most of the time it just plain old what "aboutism" to divert from the actual point of contention.
I totally agree with regard to "patience and decorum"; however, in this case, I believe it would be a good thing if he specifically answered her - "telling it like it is" as he usually does (but/while being a "perfect gentleman" about it) - so that she may have a more perfect understanding of the intent of his [original] statement.

In other words - "in my humble opinion" - he has "begun"/"started" a 'correction' that he needs to "finish" - for her sake.
 

HeIsHere

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I totally agree with regard to "patience and decorum"; however, in this case, I believe it would be a good thing if he specifically answered her - "telling it like it is" as he usually does (but/while being a "perfect gentleman" about it) - so that she may have a more perfect understanding of the intent of his [original] statement.

In other words - "in my humble opinion" - he has "begun"/"started" a 'correction' that he needs to "finish" - for her sake.
Fair enough.
 

HeIsHere

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By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.


By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God…If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return.


But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city (Heb 8:8–10; 15–16; emphasis added)

There we CONCLUDE ..... (John Hagee and his ilk are wrong)

Some well-meaning but misguided evangelicals describe the way that Paul and Hebrews interpret the promises to Abraham and the way they interpret the prophets (e.g., Jer 31:31–34) as “spiritualizing.”
That epithet is unfortunate and, as we have seen, contrary to the Scriptures. I hope that you will not let such rhetoric dissuade you from following the biblical and historic Christian understanding of the fundamental unity of salvation in the Abrahamic covenant, as it was administered before Moses, under Moses, David, and the prophets, and finally realized in Christ and inaugurated in the New Covenant: the administration of the Abrahamic covenant, without types and shadows, in Christ.

R. Scott Clark
Wheaton College
 

Yahshua

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Not true. God's love for Jacob is eternal. And Israel will once again be known as sons of the Living God.
The thing is.....you would have to prove that the Israelites today are not the sons of Jacob.
Many have tried, all have failed. They are even to this day the offspring of Jacob.

Hos 1:9
Then God said:

“Call his name Lo-Ammi,
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.

Hos 1:10
“Yet the number of the children of Israel
Shall be as the sand of the sea,
Which cannot be measured or numbered.
And it shall come to pass
In the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There it shall be said to them,
You are sons of the living God.’

Hos 1:11
Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!
We can use the passages you reference to prove they are not the sons of Jacob because if you read the portion you've shared carefully it's there. Here, I'll post it again...

Hos 1:9
Then God said:

“Call his name Lo-Ammi,
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.


Hos 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel
Shall be as the sand of the sea,

Which cannot be measured or numbered.
And it shall come to pass
In the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There it shall be said to them,
‘You are sons of the living God.’


Hos 1:11
Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!



Just from the portion you shared, let's break it down in the simplest order of events:

1. First, Punishment: to no longer be called "His people"
2. Next, the population is GREATLY multiplied during punishment (too many to count)
3. Then, where they are punished they will be called "Sons of the Living God"
4. Finally, Judah AND Israel will be regathered together


But these folks would have us believe the following is the order of events:

1. First, Judah is regathered BEFORE punishment (they actually say they've always been "His people")
2. Next, their population has barely grown in 2000 years and is minuscule
3. NOW the Punishment: those of us around the world currently claiming they are not "His people"
4. Finally, they will be called "Sons of the Living God" (once again??)

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Your passages prove they're counterfeits.
 

GaryA

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Why? Because I engaged in an immediate mission to obtain every fact that was available. This effort took about three weeks or so.
It was not a full dataset.....but it was enough to comprehend the basic scheme.

And because of this up-front sweat equity, we then pursued a course of action to best nullify a worst-case outcome.

Which of course included refusing to be vaccinated. My wife had a close call with her employer, but she maintained privacy and refused to be intimidated.

So we are all good man. And yea......we both caught COVID and got natural immunity. That was also part of the plan.
I thank God for every soul who obtains a proper understanding about the true nature of things in the world we live in today.

I thank God for every soul who stands up for the truth in these matters.

I thank God for every soul who tries to help others understand the truth.

I thank God for every soul who refuses to kowtow to being vaccinated.

I am happy that you and your wife were able to maintain good health.

:coffee: