The Forbidden Fruit

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The trouble with tying to understand mysteries hidden in parables is we can end up thinking that we know when we cant know God in our understanding. It's good to get understanding, "Ask and it shall be given you, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened." Grace enables us to forget about ourselves, "I don't consider myself to have attained bur One thing: forgetting what's behind I press on." to go on know the Lord led by His Spirit.
 
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Gen 3:8a . . They heard the voice of the Lord God moving about in the
garden at the breezy time of day;

The Hebrew word for "voice" is somewhat ambiguous. It can not only
indicate a vocal sound, but lots of other kinds of noises too; e.g. horns,
crackling, snapping, cackling, bleating, tweeting, roaring, whooshing,
hissing, barking, thudding, whistling, and booming, et al.

Gen 3:8b-9 . . and the man and his wife hid from Yhvh God among the
trees of the garden. Yhvh God called out to the man and said to him: Where
are you?

Since God is omniscient, "where are you" can be taken to mean: Adam;
come out, come out, wherever you are!

Gen 3:10 . . He replied: I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was
afraid because I was naked, so I hid.

Adam wasn't totally disrobed; just partially. But even that degree of undress
lacked adequate propriety to his newly acquired sense of right and wrong.
But the thing to note is Adam's unease in the presence of God while lacking
what he thought in his own mind to be appropriate clothing.

This incident tells me that even the most seasoned exotic dancer-- normally
comfortable disrobed in a room of leering men --would want to put
something on should God come thru the door and take a seat around the
dance floor. (cf. John 21:7)

Gen 3:11 . .Then He asked: Who told you that you were naked? Did you
eat of the tree from which I had forbidden you to eat?

In other words: where'd you get the idea that undress is indecent? Well;
nobody had said undress is indecent, nor even suggested that it's indecent--
the concept of a dress code was unheard of at that time. No; they just "felt"
it's indecent. In other words; it was their intuition telling them that undress
is indecent.

Where did they get that intuition? Not from their maker, that's for sure; no,
they got it from the fruit of that tree. Unfortunately, their newly acquired
moral compass was unreliable; the reason being they got it from nature, viz:
it was a natural sense of right and wrong rather than God-given; therefore
it couldn't be trusted to guide them into spiritual absolutes.

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Gen 3:16a . . And to the woman He said: I will make most severe your
pangs in childbearing;

The Hebrew word for "pangs" is 'itstsabown (its-tsaw-bone') and means:
worrisome-ness. Webster's defines worrisome-ness as: causing distress or
worry or inclined to worry or fret; viz: anxiety, insecurity, and perhaps
melancholy.

For many women, the preggers stage of motherhood is often characterized
by bloating, illness, nausea, depression, anxiety, insecurity, and irritability.
For them, pregnancy is more like a curse than the intended blessing of Gen
1:28.

Gen 3:16b . . in pain shall you bear children.

It's difficult to imagine child bearing without pain because that's the way it's
always been right from the beginning, even with Eve's very first child.
Apparently before Man's fall, having a baby would have caused no more
discomfort than doing one's business in the ladies room-- and just as lacking
in danger to mom and baby.

The thing to note is: this particular punishment was unexpected; viz: it isn't
specifically listed in Gen 2:17 as a consequence for tasting the forbidden
fruit.

Something else that's notable is that the tree's chemistry played no role in
Eve's new circumstances. God said "I will make yada, yada, yada, yada". In
other words; the pangs and pains of child bearing are via the hand of God
rather than the hand of nature.

There's more.

Gen 3:16c . .Your desire shall be for your husband,

The Hebrew of that passage is very difficult; not even the great rabbis Rashi
and Ramban were in agreement how best to interpret it. But it appears to
me simply the very first prohibition against sex outside the bonds of
matrimony.

And then there's this:

Gen 3:16d . . and he shall rule over you.

That is probably one of the most hated verses in the whole Bible. Eve's
daughters do not like to be subjugated to and/or dominated by men. It
really goes against their grain; and if the women's suffrage movement that
took place in America's early 1900's were to be thoroughly analyzed, it
would not surprise me that women's right to vote wasn't really an equality
issue: it was a rebellion against male domination; which of course is to be
expected in a world gone mad with evil.

Gen 3:16d isn't restricted to marriage. It regulates women's place in church
too-- all churches.

"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the
churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the
Law says." (1Cor 14:33-35)

"Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. I do not
allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain
quiet." (1Tim 2:11-15)

How long the Adams cohabited sans the imposition of a gender hierarchy
isn't stated; but evidently there was no need for it prior to the forbidden fruit
incident. But the incident aptly demonstrates that manipulative women can
quickly lead men to ruin in no time at all because it's all too easy for them to
persuade men to behave themselves in ways contrary to their own better
judgment; which reminds me of a really cute line from the movie "My Big Fat
Greek Wedding
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Toula Portokalos complains to her mother: "Ma, dad is so stubborn. What he
says goes. Ah, the man is the head of the house!"

Toula's mom, Maria Portokalos, responds: "Let me tell you something, Toula.
The man is the head, but the woman is the neck; and she can turn the head
any way she wants."

That's humorous but it's not a laughing matter. Many a man has been led
like sheep to the slaughter by women who got them to do things contrary to
their own better judgment.

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Gen 3:17a . .To Adam He said: Because you did as your wife said, and ate
of the tree about which I commanded you; "You shall not eat of it"

A portion of God's gripe with Adam was that he put a creature's wishes over
and above the wishes of the creature's superior; thus forcing God to
compete for Adam's affections; i.e. a rival. Unfortunately, when it comes to
choosing between pleasing women or pleasing God; men all too often sell
their souls to the women.

Gen 3:17b . . Cursed be the ground because of you

That was unexpected; it isn't specifically listed in Gen 2:17 as a
consequence for tasting the forbidden fruit.

Not only would Man himself be effected by a curse upon the ground, but
every living thing that depends upon the ground for its survival would be
effected too; from lowly nematodes and earthworms right on up to the top
of the food chain. The whole animal world, and all the seed-bearing plant life
too, would suffer collateral damages for Adam's mistake.

God somehow manipulated the soil's fertility so that it now no longer
produces as well as it did in the beginning. The abundant swarms of life that
God created in the beginning would, at that point, begin to thin out as the
competition for available natural food-stuffs would begin to intensify.

Gen 3:17c . . By toil shall you eat of it all the days of your life

Adam was no stranger to work because God already had him tending the
garden. But matters worsened with a new ingredient. The word for "toil" is
from 'itstsabown (its-tsaw-bone') and means the very same thing as it did in
Gen 3:16.

The element of 'itstsabown took some of the pleasure out of Adam's
existence. Where before his daily routine was relatively care-free, now he'd
begin to worry and fret over things that are especially pertinent to farmers
e.g. weather, insects, and plant diseases; which, among farmers, are
common causes of anxiety and feelings of insecurity.

Gen 3:18a . . thorns and thistles shall it sprout for you.

God finished the entire cosmos in six days; and no more creating took place
after that because He's been on sabbatical ever since day 7: so thorns and
thistles already existed prior to the events of chapter 3.

But in the beginning, noxious plants doubtless weren't so dominant. Today
they're a nuisance because if ground is left fallow, it will soon be covered
with dock, mustard, dandelion, chaparral, wild flowers, brambles, reed
canary grass, and stuff like that. Those kinds of plants may be okay for
wildlife, but humanity needs something quite a bit more nutritious.

Gen 3:18b . . and your food shall be the grasses of the field;

Apparently Adam was a fruitarian at in the beginning, and then his diet later
expanded to include other kinds of vegetation. However, I don't think
humans are supposed to graze on pasture like buffalo or deer and elk. Many
of the grasses God intended for Adam to eat fall into the food group we call
cereals; which are raised primarily for their grain; e.g. corn, wheat, oats,
and rice; et al. In their natural form-- whole grain --cereals are a rich source
of vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates, fats, oils, and protein. After refinement
grains are pretty much good for nothing but carbs.

Gen 3:19a . . By the sweat of your brow shall you get bread to eat,

Whereas the Adams before had a beautiful productive farm complete with
orchards that required minimal maintenance, they became faced with
stubborn soil that needs plowing, sowing, and weeding. Very few natural
grains exist abundantly in nature. These days; if he wants them in any
sizable amount, Man has to farm.

Those of us who live in 9 to 5 leisure-intensive America really don't
appreciate just how laborious and time consuming the work is to grow your
own food. Early humanity's days were hard. They're still hard in many
developing countries. Adam had to get out there with a hoe and a plow to
provide for his family. Today, only about 2% in the USA work the ground for
a living.

Gen 3:19b . . until you return to the ground-- for from it you were taken.
For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.

Did God have to smite Adam in order for him to stop living? No; it was only
necessary to deny Adam access to the tree of life and let nature and hard
work take their toll; in other words: it was only a matter of time before
Adam simply gave out and passed away from wear and tear and old age.

It's often assumed that Adam was created immortal; but no so. Adam was
created an air-breathing creature. Smother him and he'd die. Hold his head
underwater and he'd die. But as long as Adam supplemented his diet with
nutrients form the tree of life, he'd not die of natural causes.

But what happened to Adam when his body returned to dust? Did he return
to dust too? No; and that's because Adam wasn't entirely organic. The
human body came from the ground; but according to Gen 2:7, human
consciousness came from God. The afterlife disposition of human
consciousness is one of life's greatest mysteries. Heck, even the origin of
human consciousness is mystery enough for some, let alone where it goes
when people pass away.

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Gen 3:21 . . And the Lord God made garments of skins for Adam and his
wife, and clothed them.

Precisely what species of animal God slaughtered in order to make the
Adams their first suit of real clothing is unknown.

That day, humans learned something about the advantages of leather
goods. Most of it is produced from cattle hides: calfskin, goatskin, kidskin,
sheepskin, and lambskin. Other hides and skins used include those of the
horse, pig, kangaroo, deer, crocodile, alligator, seal, walrus, and of late;
python. Humans have used animal skins for a variety of practical purposes
since ancient times, and to this good day leather is still a useful material all
around the world.

The exact cut and design of their garments isn't specified; the Hebrew words
kethoneth (keth-o'-neth) and/or kuttoneth (koot-to'-neth) just indicate a
shirt, or covering; as hanging from the shoulder.

A garment hanging from the shoulder indicates that Eve's topless days were
over; although that wouldn't necessarily rule out the possibility that she may
have become the Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel of her day and created some
interesting necklines.

The garments actually facilitated the people's association with God. They
were unbearably uncomfortable around their creator in the buff, even in the
semi-buff, and that was principally the reason they hid from the Lord when
He came calling. However, fig leaves aren't very durable; they're merely an
expedient. God showed them a much better way-- actually a way they would
never have thought of all by themselves because who would have guessed
animal hides could be used for clothing until God showed them how?

The point to note is that the clothing humanity's maker crafted for the
Adams didn't cost them one red cent nor did they have to contribute even
the slightest bit of labor to its construction. God slaughtered the animals,
treated the hides, and fabricated the garments Himself; and gave the
clothing to them for free, out of kindness; and free of charge.

I believe God went to all that trouble because He didn't want anything
hampering His association with humans. In other words, Adam's felt-shame
over undress was a barrier between himself and his creator so God showed
him a really good way to overcome it: a way that greatly enhanced Adam's
limited survival skills.

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Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has become as one of
us

Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27). But
that image and likeness stopped short of "one of us". In other words:
humanity didn't come from the hand of God as an equal; i.e. though
humanity was given the status of divine beings; humans aren't actual
deities-- gods are impervious to death, humans die like flies.

"I said: You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless
you will die like men." (Ps 82:6-7)

Seeing as how humanity wasn't created "as one of us" then we're safe to
conclude that humanity made itself "one of us"; i.e. made itself a deity.
Unfortunately, humanity, as a deity, isn't God's associate, rather, His
competitor; i.e. a rival sheik so to speak.

From the limited amount of information we're given, it's readily seen that it's
fairly easy to make one's self a deity; it's only necessary to rebel against
constituted authority; viz: go your own way instead of complying with the
laws, rules, and dictates of a higher power, especially humanity's creator.

Gen 3:22b . . discerning good and evil,

Discerning good and evil per se isn't a bad thing per se; that is; if it's an
instructed discernment rather than a natural, intuitive discernment. (Rom
12:2 and Heb 5:13-14)

Gen 3:22c . . what if he should stretch out his hand and take also from the
tree of life and eat, and live forever!

The Old Testament Hebrew word translated "forever" doesn't always indicate
infinity. Normally it just means perpetual as "in perpetuity" viz: indefinitely;
which Webster's defines as: having no exact limits.

The thing is: God predicted Adam's passing; so in order to ensure that the
prediction came to pass; God had to cut off his access to the tree of life;
which is a pretty interesting tree seeing as how it's not only an elixir, but
also a remedy for whatever ails a man. (Rev 22:2)

The tree of life didn't contain enough nutrients to give Adam eternal life. It
couldn't even give him immortality. But the tree could have given Adam
perpetual youth; but even then, only so long as he supplemented his diet
with regular doses of it; for example: I have an under-active thyroid gland
that if left untreated would eventuate in my untimely death. But so long as I
continue to supplement my diet with a prescribed daily dose of a medication
called levoxyl, I can expect to live to a normal old age.

However; I can't get by on just one dose of levoxyl, nor can I take a lifetime
of doses all at once. Levoxyl has to be taken a little at a time on a daily
basis. What I'm saying is: as long as Adam supplemented his diet with
nutrients from that tree on a regular basis; he wouldn't die of natural
causes; thus he had the potential to remain forever twenty-one. But that
was not to be since God had already decreed that Adam die for eating the
forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:23-24 . . So the Lord God banished him from the garden of Eden, to
till the soil from which he was taken. He drove the man out, and stationed
east of the garden of Eden the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword, to
guard the way to the tree of life.

People could probably go and see that cherubim and its sword for
themselves up until the time of Noah; but no doubt the Flood wiped it off the
map.

The thing to note is that the cherubim and its sword blocked not only Adam's
access to the tree but everybody else's access too; thus dooming everyone
to an eventual expiration no matter whether they're rich or poor, young or
old, male or female, righteous or unrighteous, holy or unholy, pious or
impious. Even Jesus would have eventually died of natural causes had he not
been crucified. If the human body, as God created it, is to remain strong and
healthy indefinitely, it has got to have that tree in its diet.

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I am not sure I agree that they died spiritually. I think that they became corrupt in some fashion than what they were. And this sin affected all of creation. So in this, death or possibly a disease process affected them? And it was passed on then to all.

Though too, we could say that seperation from the presence of God could be a type of spiritual death.

This reverse is what we gain through Jesus. If that same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead, then He will quicken our mortal body. Personally, I am looking forward to this restoration.

Much to contemplate in this.
 
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Technically, civil disobedience is a criminal activity in that it's the active,
professed refusal of a citizen to obey certain laws of the state, and/or
demands, orders, and commands of a government, or of an occupying
international power.

However, though Adam's deed qualifies as failure to comply with constituted
law and order; it doesn't really satisfy the popular understanding of civil
disobedience due to absence of the element of conscience, for example:

Henry David Thoreau insisted that individuals should not permit
governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that they have a
duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make
them the agents of injustice.

In other words: it was Thoreau's opinion that sometimes it's necessary for
the individual to defy constituted authority in order to avoid compromising
their convictions. For example:

Ex 1:15-17 . . The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose
names were Shiphrah and Puah, "When you help the Hebrew women in
childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but
if it is a girl, let her live." The midwives, however, feared God and did not do
what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live.

From a strictly legal perspective, the midwives' conduct was criminal due to
their wanton refusal to comply with constituted authority (cf. Rom 13:1-2
and 1Pet 2:13-15). But God approved the midwives conduct; and the reason
He did so is because the women had defied Pharaoh due to their personal
respect for a constituted authority superior to his. (Ex 1:20)

Though it would've been perfectly legal to exterminate the Hebrew's baby
boys, it would have been perfectly impious to do so; the primary reason
being that according to Gen 9:5-6, Pharaoh's superior does not approve the
taking of innocent human life.

But Adam had no excuse. Neither conscience nor piety influenced his
decision to taste the forbidden fruit. Nor was his conduct inadvertent; it was
willful; i.e. done in full understanding of both the ban and the consequence.

1Tim 2:14 . . Adam was not deceived

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