The Falling Away - Is this the rapture?

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Nehemiah6 said:
The Blessed Hope of the Church is the Resurrection/Rapture. Not fiery judgments from Heaven at the Second Coming! Those two are Rapture verses misunderstood, misapplied, and mistaken for something far removed from the Rapture.
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This is what it's like when you rely on dead religion and doctrines of man. You can't see because you are not looking for
Jesus and HIS GLORY. You are focussed on your own glory. When can I be "raptured"? Pretrib is a doctrine of entitlement.

The "rapture" is not the focus of prophecy. It's simply one element in the process of the return of Jesus.
You are marked with the blood of the lamb & sealed. You aren't marked for fiery Judgements.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The Blessed Hope of the Church is the Resurrection/Rapture. Not fiery judgments from Heaven at the Second Coming! Those two are Rapture verses misunderstood, misapplied, and mistaken for something far removed from the Rapture.
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Did our Lord ever directly say - I am the pre-trib rapture - ever?
No, he never said this anywhere in Scripture.

This is what HE did SAY = "I am the RESURRECTION" John 11:25

Idolatry started in the Garden with the Serpent -
Satan's tactic was to present something our flesh/carnal nature would desire more then what God said.

This same idolatry is in error of pre-trib rapture -
twist what God did say, so that you can believe what He did not say, as though He did say it.

This was an easy sell by satan to the Church. Those who keep themselves pure will avoid it and detest it.

You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments;
and they shall walk with Me in white,
for they are worthy
Revelation 3:4

It has always been a few who hold tightly to God's Word = "Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent."
 
I see there are two threads??

Anyway since no one is posting in the other one

1. The falling away is NOT the pre-trib rapture. I know of NO one who believes this, If you have found someone. I would like to discuss it with him

2. There is ONE gospel. Not two.
 
cv5 said:
Lucy.....the TERM "apostasia" does not carry with it the connotation of a "rapture" ON ITS OWN. But neither does it carry with it ANY connotation of apostasy, faithfulness or faithlessness ON ITS OWN.

However IMO there is a STATED ACTION in 2 thes 2:3 that is the matter at hand. Something is stated to happen ("shall have come THE DEPARTURE") before something else happens.

This stated action is further defined with aplomb when comparing Scripture with Scripture. And it ain't apostasy. It's the rapture. The rapture which is an absolutely crucial and necessary prerequisite before the DOTL can commence.

There is not one single solitary verse in the ALL the epistles that even HINT that Christians are going to be WIPED OUT....VAST VAST NUMBERS OF THEM. Murdered like pigs in an automated slaughterhouse. The vast majority of them in fact. Nope. Not at all. There is only comfort, rest, consolation, at the appearing of our Lord and our gathering to Him.

Where the post-tribbers blow it is the TOTAL FAILURE to comprehend Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13. For this I really do pity them. If they only knew.
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I don't know where you get the idea there is only comfort and rest for Christians.

Every generation of Christians since the first has been persecuted. Some of them very heavily for prolonged periods.
Even what we know of the Apostles suggests that some, if not most of them were killed because of their witness.
Christian populations were decimated in the Middle East & North Africa.
The first genocide of the 20th century was of a Christian people. Even now, sadly, our Christian brothers in China,
North Korea, Pakistan, Afghanastan, Gaza, Egypt & Nigeria deal with the harsh reality of persecution to the point of death.
 
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CS1 said:
two threads of the same topic with the same title?
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When i posted the first one i did not see it get approved so i made an adjustment and posted the second one.
No harm - Jesus has Two Comings - Same Topic Same Person Same Title
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I see there are two threads??

Anyway since no one is posting in the other one

1. The falling away is NOT the pre-trib rapture. I know of NO one who believes this, If you have found someone. I would like to discuss it with him

2. There is ONE gospel. Not two.
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When i posted the first thread i did not see it get approved so i made an adjustment and posted the second one.
To my surprise they posted both threads - not my intention.
No harm - Jesus has Two Comings - Same Topic - Same Person - Same Title (watch some people go balistic here)
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
I don't know where you get the idea there is only comfort and rest for Christians.

Every generation of Christians since the first has been persecuted. Some of them very heavily for prolonged periods.
Even what we know of the Apostles suggests that some, if not most of them were killed because of their witness.
Christian populations were decimated in the Middle East & North Africa.
The first genocide of the 20th century was of a Christian people. Even now, sadly, our Christian brothers in China,
North Korea, Pakistan, Afghanastan, Gaza, Egypt & Nigeria deal with the harsh reality of persecution to the point of death.
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The truth is, the Apostle Paul, when writing about the man of sin and the commencing of the DOTL, the timing of it, the chronology of it, the parties to it, he NEVER EVER even so much as hints at a gruesome, appalling SUPER-SLAUGHTER of Christian. You would think that this would be a continually warning GET READY FOR IT! In fact it is ALWAYS the opposite sentiment. Always.

2 Thes 1:7 (rest while the DOTL is underway? how is this even possible?)
and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

We are to be comforted when the Lord Jesus Christ "shall appear" which will occur before the DOTL.
You might want to read what TDW has to say about "shall appear". Quite compelling. Has the strong savor of RAPTURE about it......

https://christianchat.com/threads/h...ular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4641797
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
This is what it's like when you rely on dead religion and doctrines of man. You can't see because you are not looking for
Jesus and HIS GLORY. You are focussed on your own glory. When can I be "raptured"? Pretrib is a doctrine of entitlement.

The "rapture" is not the focus of prophecy. It's simply one element in the process of the return of Jesus.
You are marked with the blood of the lamb & sealed. You aren't marked for fiery Judgements.
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Actually "Pre-Trib" is scripture.

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8


The Time Of The End
Daniel 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began...

The great tribulation doesn't start until the Antichrist makes himself known.

Those in Christ are not here then.

Revelation 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
I don't know where you get the idea there is only comfort and rest for Christians.

Every generation of Christians since the first has been persecuted. Some of them very heavily for prolonged periods.
Even what we know of the Apostles suggests that some, if not most of them were killed because of their witness.
Christian populations were decimated in the Middle East & North Africa.
The first genocide of the 20th century was of a Christian people. Even now, sadly, our Christian brothers in China,
North Korea, Pakistan, Afghanastan, Gaza, Egypt & Nigeria deal with the harsh reality of persecution to the point of death.
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And?
Is that the great tribulation?
 
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