The "Exterminate Israel & its Jews" movement...

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HeIsHere

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Now we know where you get all your confusion from. "Pastor Miano". I googled the poor lad and he seems to be a FULL preterist? Is that correct or am I misunderstanding his position? If he is indeed a full preterist he is NOT a Christian and is a heretic.

Oh the guy seems to reject water baptism as well:

"Pastor Michael Miano is passionate about reform within the Christian Church, and he continually pushes for studies in regards to Covenant Creationism, Full Preterism, and true Biblical application in Believer’s lives (Narrative Theology). Pastor Miano has debated in numerous discussions/ debates about hell from the Annihilationist view, eschatology from the Full Preterist view, and baptism from the immersed in Discipleship (not physical water) perspective; "

Stop listening to this heretic and you may be able to find the truth. Why would you listen to a grown man with earrings anyways?
I only agree with some of views regarding the accuracy of the fulfilling of Matthew 24, you waiting for the tribulation and the rapture is in vain.
I wonder how many hours you have actually read those who can correctly divide scripture that would NOT include Haggee, LaHay and Hal Lindsey for sure.

You think you could debate Don Preston, go for it.
 
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I only agree with some of views regarding the accuracy of the fulfilling of Matthew 24, you waiting for the tribulation and the rapture is in vain.
I wonder how many hours you have actually read those who can correctly divide scripture that would NOT include Haggee, LaHay and Hal Lindsey for sure.

You think you could debate Don Preston, go for it.
Easy debate against Don Preston. Light work. The preterist case is very very easy to defeat, both partial and full, they use the same arguments, the only difference is that the partial preterist is inconsistent. The Partial-preterist somehow sees Matthew 24:31 as past, yet 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 as future, even though it is nearly identical language. I have read both sides of the argument, not too fond of Hagee who teaches Israel is saved outside of Christ or LaHay who made sensationalist books.
 
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Not even the tin foil hats in Texas are destroying 5G towers. Most of them are accepting that 5G is the natural development of telecommunications.
The “tin foil hats” gang has been proven right on just about everything in the past half decade.

They are bathing urban and suburban communities with radiation for a reason. My suburban county there are over a thousand towers. If these towers are so much more wonderful, why would you need so many in such a small area?

Further, NO ONE’s phone or internet service is any better at all, and in some ways worse than the 4g networks.

Honestly, I used to get angry with people like you, that are unable to see and understand that we are under attack, in various ways by the world, the world system, led by satan. But now I just feel sad for people that are so indoctrinated, they simply are incapable of discernment.
 
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I know I'm waaay off topic here, but this subject is so vitally important this is as good a place as any to put it.

The Amils will absolutely be caught with their pants down, because they cannot see how all of this will perfectly dovetail with the literal end times prophecies of Scripture. ESPECIALLY as it relates to the antichrist, and how he will use and likely merge with AI.

This guy is rabidly anti Christian, and Judaism for that matter, and yrs ago predicted AI would write a New bible for the world. But he is brilliant, and has vision to see what is very shortly coming. I'd highly recommend watching this short vid of him recently talking about AI.

 

HeIsHere

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Easy debate against Don Preston. Light work. The preterist case is very very easy to defeat, both partial and full, they use the same arguments, the only difference is that the partial preterist is inconsistent. The Partial-preterist somehow sees Matthew 24:31 as past, yet 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 as future, even though it is nearly identical language. I have read both sides of the argument, not too fond of Hagee who teaches Israel is saved outside of Christ or LaHay who made sensationalist books.
So you say, easy to defeat.

Futurists break the absolute first rule of audience relevance, therefore their entire position has no foundation.
Christ Jesus is very clear,
Acts 2:16–17 — “In the last days…” (fulfilled at Pentecost)
1 Corinthians 10:11 — “on whom the ends of the ages have come”
Hebrews 1:1–2 — “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son”
Hebrews 9:26 — “at the end of the ages he has appeared”
James 5:3 — “You have laid up treasure in the last days”
1 Peter 1:20 — “manifested in these last times for your sake”
1 Peter 4:7 — “The end of all things is at hand”
1 John 2:18 — “It is the last hour”
Jude 17–18 — “In the last time there will be scoffers… they are here now”
Behold I come quickly
This generation..... when YOU (33 times) see these things
 
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I know I'm waaay off topic here, but this subject is so vitally important this is as good a place as any to put it.

The Amils will absolutely be caught with their pants down, because they cannot see how all of this will perfectly dovetail with the literal end times prophecies of Scripture. ESPECIALLY as it relates to the antichrist, and how he will use and likely merge with AI.

This guy is rabidly anti Christian, and Judaism for that matter, and yrs ago predicted AI would write a New bible for the world. But he is brilliant, and has vision to see what is very shortly coming. I'd highly recommend watching this short vid of him recently talking about AI.

thanks Penned for posting the video - excellent informative watch
 

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So you say, easy to defeat.

Futurists break the absolute first rule of audience relevance, therefore their entire position has no foundation.
Christ Jesus is very clear,
Acts 2:16–17 — “In the last days…” (fulfilled at Pentecost)
1 Corinthians 10:11 — “on whom the ends of the ages have come”
Hebrews 1:1–2 — “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son”
Hebrews 9:26 — “at the end of the ages he has appeared”
James 5:3 — “You have laid up treasure in the last days”
1 Peter 1:20 — “manifested in these last times for your sake”
1 Peter 4:7 — “The end of all things is at hand”
1 John 2:18 — “It is the last hour”
Jude 17–18 — “In the last time there will be scoffers… they are here now”
Behold I come quickly
This generation..... when YOU (33 times) see these things
Yup, really easy. You break it too, if you used this type of method for interpreting the Bible you would no longer even preach the gospel.

Lets apply the consistent preterist method here:
- The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy! Jesus would be with the apostles preaching the gospel until the end of the world (or age in newer bibles) which in preterismland means the destruction of Jerusalem. So what we have is: The end of the age has already occured, Jesus is no longer with the apostles, not to mention us because audience relevancy dictates that it was never a promise meant for us.

-Paul believed he would see Jesus return and would be alive for the resurrection, he says "us who are alive and remain" incuding himself and the Thessalonians. Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the thessalonians. Both options are bad.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.

Now to deal with all the last days verses you have quoted, which again provide no difficulty for my position. These ARE the last days, the last days began 2000 years ago, and will continue until the Lord returns. We are in day two at the moment.
It is still true that Jesus is coming quickly. It is talking about the speed at which these events in the book of Revelation occur. Once the ball starts rollin' its rollin' fast. Give or take 7 years to be exact, some say 3 and a half, however you wish to see it, we are talking about a brief period of time.
 

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The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy!
To state it plainly,
1. That would not be what audience relevance means, good try. Next.

Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the Thessalonians. Both options are bad.
2. Wrong understanding of "heaven and earth" as understood by the culture which used the idiom. Next.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.
3. Not a rebuttal, just a denial and assumptions. The letters were not written TO us, but they are still have meaning FOR us.

Next.

These ARE the last days,
4. The correct term is "aion" which means a time period of indeterminate time with a particular quality.

It was the end of the Mosaic Age, with a period of transition and The NT age of the Spirit of God housed in the believer not the Temple.

The Book of Revelation describes the end of the Mosaic Age, not the end of this age, it was written to the churches of that time.

By the way you did not even use the scriptures I cited, just went right past them and scripture does not make any sense with a futurist lens.
Done.
 

HeIsHere

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Yup, really easy. You break it too, if you used this type of method for interpreting the Bible you would no longer even preach the gospel.

Lets apply the consistent preterist method here:
- The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy! Jesus would be with the apostles preaching the gospel until the end of the world (or age in newer bibles) which in preterismland means the destruction of Jerusalem. So what we have is: The end of the age has already occured, Jesus is no longer with the apostles, not to mention us because audience relevancy dictates that it was never a promise meant for us.

-Paul believed he would see Jesus return and would be alive for the resurrection, he says "us who are alive and remain" incuding himself and the Thessalonians. Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the thessalonians. Both options are bad.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.

Now to deal with all the last days verses you have quoted, which again provide no difficulty for my position. These ARE the last days, the last days began 2000 years ago, and will continue until the Lord returns. We are in day two at the moment.
It is still true that Jesus is coming quickly. It is talking about the speed at which these events in the book of Revelation occur. Once the ball starts rollin' its rollin' fast. Give or take 7 years to be exact, some say 3 and a half, however you wish to see it, we are talking about a brief period of time.
As well, it is indisputably clear that in the teachings and understanding of the early Christian community there were no eschatological expectations that embraced centuries of time.
 

Slimsumo

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To state it plainly,
1. That would not be what audience relevance means, good try. Next.



2. Wrong understanding of "heaven and earth" as understood by the culture which used the idiom. Next.



3. Not a rebuttal, just a denial and assumptions. The letters were not written TO us, but they are still have meaning FOR us.

Next.



4. The correct term is "aion" which means a time period of indeterminate time with a particular quality.

It was the end of the Mosaic Age, with a period of transition and The NT age of the Spirit of God housed in the believer not the Temple.

The Book of Revelation describes the end of the Mosaic Age, not the end of this age, it was written to the churches of that time.

By the way you did not even use the scriptures I cited, just went right past them and scripture does not make any sense with a futurist lens.
Done.
No heaven and earth is heaven and earth. Its not an idiom at all to talk about a mosaic age.

Revelation 21:1,3

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

One of the features being no death or sorrow. We arent there yet
 

HeIsHere

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No heaven and earth is heaven and earth. Its not an idiom at all to talk about a mosaic age.

Revelation 21:1,3

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

One of the features being no death or sorrow. We arent there yet
Not really what I stated.
Any way keep waiting for the rapture, 2000 plus years but who is counting. :rolleyes:
 

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Not really what I stated.
Any way keep waiting for the rapture, 2000 plus years but who is counting. :rolleyes:
Wait, you deny that the rapture is future? pre-mid or post?

That means you are not a Christian. The rapture IS the resurrection. Same event, same time. Dead in Christ rise first. If you deny the rapture is future you deny the resurrection is future

2000 years plus, yup. Keep mocking it:

2 Peter 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”


Matthew 24:48-50

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,