The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

[Ouch]

Yeah, you fell for them all right. You mean you failed them.

Are you judging me?

 

[Ouch]

No one knows how if the thief was or wasn’t baptized .

“And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭

“Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— although in fact it was not Jesus who was baptizing them, but his disciples.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭NIV‬‬

They went around baptizing people for three years while Jesus preached the gospel. There’s no way fornus to know if the thief had been baptized or not . He definetely had heard Jesus preaching because he mentions his kingdom and refers to him as lord. Jesus was preaching to sinners and calling them to repentance . The thief is a bad example of how we don’t need baptism people use but there’s nothing to say he was not baptized beforehand

We do have no way of knowing, I agree 100%. If I was to guess since he was a theif I would say no. But that part does not matter.

According to HIS word if he was baptized he would have the need to be rebaptized. Acts 19.

The thief is explained easy, I just like to ask questions to make people open their bible and look for themselves.

We need to rightly divide the word, which I know YOU know lol.

When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.

JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.

JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5

He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.

GOD BLESS YOU.

 

[Ouch]

They can’t make this connection

What Jesus commanded them to do

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭NIV‬‬

What they did after they received the holy ghost

“Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

“But when they believed Philip as he proclaimed the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:48‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭22:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

They aren’t correlating the name of the Lord and savior with salvation


“By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12‬ ‭

“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Yet it’s like it’s unheard of that Jesus is the name of the lord who died to remit our sins and his name is the only name ….

AMEN, so clear often I wonder if GOD has shackles on their eyes for some reason that we may never know or PRIDE, the same reason Satan got kicked out of Heaven for.

One thing for sure they CAN NOT SEE, and as I have told some it make me think of John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot (((see))) the kingdom of God.

 

[Wansvic]

I was saying you made a good point and used scripture so I eas predicting that you would get deflection and avoidance of what you posted rather than a response according to what you said .

it eas just an observance of how the conversation had been going as I read it backwards . When a good scriptural post is made it gets deflected and avoided because no one wants to acknowledge anything

Thank you for explaining, I really appreciate it! What you say is so true and sad that people refuse to consider what God's word actually reveals.

 

[DeanM]

Matthew 28:19

 

[mailmandan]

Jesus specifically says that “Not everyone who says, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven.”

Trusting in works for salvation is not the will of the Father. Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. Apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith (Romans 4:5-6) their sins remain. Hence, you who practice lawlessness. Instead of Lord, Lord, didn't WE, (look what WE did/salvation by works) the correct answer for these many people in Matthew 7:22 would have been Lord, Lord, didn't YOU die for our sins, were buried and rise again the third day to provide for us eternal life. We trust in YOU alone as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 2:8,9)

*So, what was the will of the Father that these many people failed to do? John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

So, what does “calling on the name of the Lord mean”? The Bible gives us the answer, so we do not have to guess.

Calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved = relying on the name of the Lord, trusting in Him for salvation. When one calls upon Jesus to save them, they are trusting in Him to come to their aid. Inherent in their calling upon the name of the Lord is the essential faith in Jesus Christ that He alone can and will save them. So, when we call on the name of the Lord, we by faith are trusting that He will provide for us eternal life.

Acts 22:16 Ananias told Saul of Tarsus to “Arise, and be BAPTIZED and wash away your sins, CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.” When you do what God says to do in His word, ALL of what God says, when you are baptized to wash away your sins, you ARE “calling on the name of the lord.”. This is what it means I have it on the best authority—God.

Seeking salvation by water baptism is not calling on the name of the Lord. In regard to Acts 22:16, Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary makes not of the importance of the Greek in Ananias' statement. When Ananias tells Paul to "arise, be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord," the tense of the last command is literally "having called" (aorist middle participle). "Calling on [epikalesamenos] --- 'having (that is, after having) called on,' referring the confession of Christ which preceded baptism." [Jamison, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, vol. 3 pg. 160]. Kenneth Wuest picks up on this Greek nuance and translates the verse as follows: "And now, why are you delaying? Having arisen, be baptized and wash away your sins, having previously called upon His Name." (Acts 22:16, Wuest's Expanded NT).

Paul had already believed in Christ when Ananias came to pray for him to receive his sight (Acts 9:17). It also should be noted that Paul at the time when Ananias prayed for him to receive his sight, he was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 9:17)--this was before he was water baptized (Acts 9:18). Verse 17 connects his being filled with the Spirit with the receiving of his sight. We know that he received his sight prior to his baptism.

Excellent article on Acts 22:16 - https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2015/03/acts-2216-baptism-essential-for.html

I really can’t understand how you can think that baptism is unimportant—unless you have been listening to MEN and not reading and studying your Bible; because men will tell you that, but the Bible actually paints a different picture. Just look at these scriptures:

Why would a Christian believe that water baptism is unimportant? I could not wait to get water baptized after my conversion when I received Christ through faith. Being an important act of obedience does not make it the means of our salvation. Is partaking of the Lord's supper important or unimportant? Is attending church important or unimportant? Yet neither are the basis nor means by which we obtain salvation either.

Mark 16:16- Jesus, the Son of God, said, “ He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. That is literally the same as saying, 1 + 1 =2. Belief + Baptism = Salvation.
man says, Belief — Baptism = Salvation. That is like saying, 1 — 1 = 2 Wrong answer.
Or, Belief = Salvation. Which is still like 1 = 2. Wrong answer. Scripturally and mathematically, Baptism is necessary to salvation and “belief only” is false . Just as James 2:24 says in the scriptures.

Wrong. Mark 16:16 is composed of two basic statements. 1—He who believes and is baptized will be saved. 2 He who does not believe will be condemned. While this verse tells us something about believers who have been baptized (they will be saved), it does not say anything about believers who have not been baptized. In order for this verse to teach that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, a third statement would be necessary, “He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned” or “He who is not baptized will be condemned.” But, of course, neither of these statements is found in the verse.

If water baptism was absolutely necessary for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Acts 2:38 “…be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.” The Holy Spirit says that baptism is for the remission of sins. That seems important to me—even necessary to be saved.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

1 Peter 3:21- Peter says, “Baptism does now SAVE us.” If God wanted to tell us that baptism is necessary to be saved, how could He tell us any BETTER OR PLAINER than what He has already said by the Holy Spirit in His word??

This is where you get into trouble here by cherry picking this verse. You only read this part because it tells you what your itching ears want to hear so then you ignore the rest. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase, he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

So, by Peter saying, "not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," Peter guards against saving power to the physical ceremony in H20.

After seeing what God has said about baptism in the Bible, I don’t understand how anyone can say it is unimportant.

Water baptism is not unimportant, but it is still not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation. After seeing what God has said numerous times in scripture about salvation through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" (Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 4:4; 10:4; 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6, 9: 5:1; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:1-4; Galatians 2:16; 3:6 14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:4, 13 etc..) I don't understand how someone can say I also must be water baptized in order to be saved.

There are a handful of alleged proof texts that certain people use to try and prove that water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, yet after a careful examination of each of those texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation.

In other words, those texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation. These Gentiles in Acts 10 received the gift of the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the spiritual gift of tongues from the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12) after believing the gospel but before being water baptized. (Acts 10:44-47)

Now baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles; it was a command (Acts 10:48) that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but their believing in Christ for salvation. (Acts 10:43)

Numerous false religions and cults that promote salvation by works (including Roman Catholicism and Mormonism) teach that water baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, which says it all for me.

 

[Wansvic]

Because it's the most valuable commodity on earth, men like to control access to God.
That is why some insist water baptism is required to be with God.
In my experience, the more a person focuses on restricting access to God the more vile and divisive that person becomes.

Actually those who share the truth in love are far from vile divisive people. A willingness to share the truth rather than sugarcoat things is not easy considering the attacks that result. However, the attacks are worth it if just one person accepts the truth and receives the promises of God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We do have no way of knowing, I agree 100%. If I was to guess since he was a theif I would say no. But that part does not matter.

According to HIS word if he was baptized he would have the need to be rebaptized. Acts 19.

The thief is explained easy, I just like to ask questions to make people open their bible and look for themselves.

We need to rightly divide the word, which I know YOU know lol.

When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.

JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.

JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:4-5

He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.

GOD BLESS YOU.

“We do have no way of knowing, I agree 100%. If I was to guess since he was a theif I would say no. But that part does not matter. “

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you notice in the gospel it was the sinners who responded to Jesus listening to him because he was talking about forgivness of sins through faith in him . Those considering themselves righteous stayed back from Jesus and scoffed and gossiped but the sinners they came near to hear the message . Just saying the thief was likely one of those who listened because he’s asking Jesus about his kingdom . But his state of baptism is truly unknown which is why it’s not a good place to begin an argument of baptism isn’t needed.

“According to HIS word if he was baptized he would have the need to be rebaptized. Acts 19.”

not really those in acts 19 hadn’t heard Jesus preaching the gospel they only heard John preaching and hadn’t heard of the holy ghost . The thief however had heard Jesus preaching of the kingdom because he mentions it .

think about it none of Jesus original disciples got re baptized after pentocost they had already been baptized and had been baptizing in Jesus name. In acts 19 the issue was this part

“he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
( theybhadnt heard the promise Jesus made of the holy ghost )

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭NIV‬‬


see they had heard John and been in this group

“And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But they hadn’t been around to hear Jesus preaching of the kingdom and promise the holy ghost . If you haven’t heard that the Holy Ghost exists there’s no way to receive it by faith. They hadn’t heard Jesus preaching only John and were baptized not by Jesus disciples but by John

remember remission of sins relies on one’s faith in Christ that group hadn’t heard of faith in him notice paul explains that John was preaching faith in Christ that’s what they lacked.

note jesus disciples none were re baptized because they had listened to the gospel and heard of the holy ghost and so they received the promise just as those in acts 19 once they heard of Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

 

[Wansvic]

The Suffering Servant
…4Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. 5But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own

This is exactly why we are to believe and submit to water baptism in the very name of Jesus that our sins be remitted:

Isa 53:6-10
...And the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you for explaining, I really appreciate it! What you say is so true and sad that people refuse to consider what God's word actually reveals.

Yeah I think that before we begin trying to learn his word as it is , we sometimes have to forget what people told us or what we figured out before that and realize whatever we learn is right and we aren’t going to come up with a better version .


At least there was a point I had to forget what I thought I knew and begin learning what Jesus knows that’s so much better

 

[Pilgrimshope]

AMEN, so clear often I wonder if GOD has shackles on their eyes for some reason that we may never know or PRIDE, the same reason Satan got kicked out of Heaven for.

One thing for sure they CAN NOT SEE, and as I have told some it make me think of John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot (((see))) the kingdom of God.

yeah we have to hear the word first and be born of the spirit.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

If we won’t hear Jesus preach the gospel we can never know anything about the kingdom of God. We need our mind renewed by the gospel

The change happens as we hear and believe the word of the gospel

“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; (hearing and believing the gospel does this )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to listen to the word of the spirit in order to be born again

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. …..But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The new life is here

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[mailmandan]

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1 Corinthians 15:1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[CS1]

Are you judging me?

You have judged everyone who has not been water-baptized before they died in the hospital. Please don't play the victim now.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Acts 2:38 and 22:16 tells us how to get rid of our sins, but that is just a part of being reborn. Can't enter Heaven with sins.

John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5 and John 6 tells us how

Acts 2 does not say what you think it does,.

question while we are at it. How was everyone saved from adam until Christ?

 

[Ouch]

“We do have no way of knowing, I agree 100%. If I was to guess since he was a theif I would say no. But that part does not matter. “

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you notice in the gospel it was the sinners who responded to Jesus listening to him because he was talking about forgivness of sins through faith in him . Those considering themselves righteous stayed back from Jesus and scoffed and gossiped but the sinners they came near to hear the message . Just saying the thief was likely one of those who listened because he’s asking Jesus about his kingdom . But his state of baptism is truly unknown which is why it’s not a good place to begin an argument of baptism isn’t needed.

“According to HIS word if he was baptized he would have the need to be rebaptized. Acts 19.”

not really those in acts 19 hadn’t heard Jesus preaching the gospel they only heard John preaching and hadn’t heard of the holy ghost . The thief however had heard Jesus preaching of the kingdom because he mentions it .

think about it none of Jesus original disciples got re baptized after pentocost they had already been baptized and had been baptizing in Jesus name. In acts 19 the issue was this part

“he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
( theybhadnt heard the promise Jesus made of the holy ghost )

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭NIV‬‬


see they had heard John and been in this group

“And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But they hadn’t been around to hear Jesus preaching of the kingdom and promise the holy ghost . If you haven’t heard that the Holy Ghost exists there’s no way to receive it by faith. They hadn’t heard Jesus preaching only John and were baptized not by Jesus disciples but by John

remember remission of sins relies on one’s faith in Christ that group hadn’t heard of faith in him notice paul explains that John was preaching faith in Christ that’s what they lacked.

note jesus disciples none were re baptized because they had listened to the gospel and heard of the holy ghost and so they received the promise just as those in acts 19 once they heard of Jesus and the Holy Ghost.

As we know something's we can only guess on but those things are not life and death matters.

I believe in Acts 2:38 his disciples were a part of the 3 thousand that got baptized that day when souls that were added.
Can't prove it of course, I just feel it to be true.

I believe when Peter gave the Acts 2:38-39 message it was JESUS speaking through him and he didn't have a clue what he was saying.

The reason I think that is the depth of it.

 

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As we know something's we can only guess on but those things are not life and death matters.

I believe in Acts 2:38 his disciples were a part of the 3 thousand that got baptized that day when souls that were added.
Can't prove it of course, I just feel it to be true.

I believe when Peter gave the Acts 2:38-39 message it was JESUS speaking through him and he didn't have a clue what he was saying.

The reason I think that is the depth of it.

But the English translation is misleading

Peter told everyone to repent (repent ye is says in the old english) for the gift of the spirit.

But he only told certain individuals (and let every one of YOU (singular) be baptized) to be baptized, on the account they received remission of sin.

and we know it is true, because it said those who believed were baptized.

 

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You have judged everyone who has not been water-baptized before they died in the hospital. Please don't play the victim now.

LOL, I just plant seeds hoping EVERYONE will get reborn before there on their deathbed it's CALLED LOVE.

What do you think JESUS thinks of people who tell them they are ok, when they are not?

JESUS DON'T CHANGE HIS RULES FOR NO ONE!!!

And yes when you judge even though it's incorrect it's OK, because you did it.

 

[Ouch]

John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5 and John 6 tells us how

Acts 2 does not say what you think it does,.

question while we are at it. How was everyone saved from adam until Christ?

You tell ME what a person has to do to be saved. Please make it VERY CLEAR using scripture.

What does the book of Acts say, IT'S HIS WORD do you have your own twist on it?

OT they got their sins washed away by OBEYING and taking an animal ones a year for the blood sacrifice.

 

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But the English translation is misleading

Peter told everyone to repent (repent ye is says in the old english) for the gift of the spirit.

But he only told certain individuals (and let every one of YOU (singular) be baptized) to be baptized, on the account they received remission of sin.

and we know it is true, because it said those who believed were baptized.

LOL, THEY WERE BAPTIZED BECAUSE THEIR SINS WERE ALLREADY REMITTED???