Doesn't mean we have to choose his way though.
You act like we're some robot.
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You act like we're some robot.
No need for you to get snarky! My goodness, please restrain your ill temper.
I am trying to find out in this moment where you stand: is it a crazy idea that people believe
they have no choice in the matter of believing, or does irresistible grace sufficiently explain
the idea that they believe they had no other choice but to believe? It cannot be both.
well again where did your knowledge come from to choose this option.
Why would you see people being held captive by God as robots
That post was to me. *Shrug* It was on-topic in regard to what we were talking about.
People acting like we're robots.
If we're robots who God elected and forced to be saved why do I sin by choice every day?
A robot cannot go against its program.
There's no need for Grace if I am forced to be saved.
If we're robots who God elected and forced to be saved why do I sin by choice every day?
A robot cannot go against its program.
There's no need for Grace if I am forced to be saved.
Ah... so is it that you believe not all were chosen, but of those not chosen, some will choose to believe regardless?
Again, just trying to understand the distinction you are making here...
Really?????
It doesn't mention the elect. How about this:
Eph 1:4a even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world...
He - the Father - "chose", the same thing as election. The same Greek word is sometimes translated as "elect".
also
Eph 1:5a having foreordained us
How do you see the difference between being elect and being chosen? It seems from other things you have
said that those who are chosen have a special place in God's plan, so would that not also make them elect?
You keep denying how who the "us" are saved through.
In Him is the key. That's the predestined plan, in Him.
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Niki7
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I had to sell my last horse. He was so beautiful and had just the best disposition too. drats
the more I get to know how you think, the more I....miss that horse
I should stop with the sarcasim tho and you haven't heard the half of it.
I usually refer to a certain phrase in Proverbs when I do respond that way tho......but I think you know that I am actually finding what you are saying funny, the way you flip flop all over the place while trying to connect the dots you drew yourself
while there are actually several logical fallacies that could be applied to your tactics, here is one that you seem to employ regularly
11. Loaded Question Fallacy
A loaded question phrases a question in such a way that the answer is already supposed. The other person must defend against an accusation couched in a question.
- Example: “When was the last time you committed a crime?”
obviously I am not angry nor is your intended jibe going to make it happen. try to be nicer
any other ideas when he chose man to be holy and blameless.
Well I'll give you a hint it was all man created in one man, whose choice was that
Oh and it's not a trick question I'm just asking if you know
How can we be saved? in HIM
how can we be holy? in HIM
how can we be blameless? in HIM
The predestined Plan is all about in HIM!
how can we be holy? in HIM
how can we be blameless? in HIM
The predestined Plan is all about in HIM!
How can we be saved? in HIMany other ideas when he chose man to be holy and blameless.
Well I'll give you a hint it was all man created in one man, whose choice was that
Oh and it's not a trick question I'm just asking if you know
how can we be holy? in HIM
how can we be blameless? in HIM
The predestined Plan is all about being in HIM!
Chosen = Elect
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Romans 8:28-39
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Niki7
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She's not angry, but you are definitely trying to save face. Just admit you're wrong and be gracious about it. Smh....
You know you're still our sister in Christ, right? This doesn't have to end badly. i still love you and I bet @Niki7 does too!
she gave you a thumbs down. some kids just can't play well with others (shrugs) you did try tho
And whose choice was that
Read genesis 1 with one intension, and see if you had any choice there
I’m not connecting any dots. You need to study instead of mouthing off to folks. Just saying…I had to sell my last horse. He was so beautiful and had just the best disposition too. drats
the more I get to know how you think, the more I....miss that horse
I should stop with the sarcasim tho and you haven't heard the half of it.
I usually refer to a certain phrase in Proverbs when I do respond that way tho......but I think you know that I am actually finding what you are saying funny, the way you flip flop all over the place while trying to connect the dots you drew yourself
while there are actually several logical fallacies that could be applied to your tactics, here is one that you seem to employ regularly
11. Loaded Question Fallacy
A loaded question phrases a question in such a way that the answer is already supposed. The other person must defend against an accusation couched in a question.
As the listener, it becomes very difficult to simply deny any possible answer to the loaded question. The other person may have formed their response as a question but it clearly contains an accusation, often without sufficient proof.
- Example: “When was the last time you committed a crime?”
obviously I am not angry nor is your intended jibe going to make it happen. try to be nicer
It seems you are introducing two different topics. Irresistible Grace does not cover both. Irresistible Grace has to do with a person's Regeneration by the Holy Spirit. Which will lead to Repentance and Faith but not apart from the Gospel message.
The inability to believe, is covered under "Spiritual Depravity." That is all mankind died spiritually in the Fall and will experience physical death. Thus, Regeneration is required before one is able to understand the Gospel message and move of their own will towards Christ.
Does this answer it for you? If not, I will take more questions.