The devil temps people with what is already theirs.

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Jesus was tempted for in the wilderness by the temptor. All of the temptations the devil tried to give Jesus, was for things that where already he's. And it was the same with Adam and Eve. When the devil tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, it was for something that was already hers.

The devil is a theif and liar. He only comes to steal, kill and destroy. There is no truth in him. The half truths he speaks are not worth nothing.
 
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Brasspen said:
Jesus was tempted for in the wilderness by the temptor. All of the temptations the devil tried to give Jesus, was for things that where already he's. And it was the same with Adam and Eve. When the devil tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, it was for something that was already hers.

The devil is a theif and liar. He only comes to steal, kill and destroy. There is no truth in him. The half truths he speaks are not worth nothing.
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Acts as an angel of light to possibly even fool the elect of God to reveal God in love and mercy to all from that cross of his love and merit mercy given us to be new in this love and mercy, and aware, wise as a serpent yet harmless as a dove. The best I can say is:
Depend on the living God in risen Son for us to see the trickery in the kindness used by evil to get what evil wants, as has from day one in the fall of Adam and Eve
Evil works Iniquities, The kids of God trust in the sufficiency of the done work of Son for them, seeing this in the risen Son given them to see it and be content in it
The grace is sufficient, and one does not work their iniquities, rather glories in their need for God to lead through them, not obeying the self doing it anymore. At least learning, learned this truth and remain humble in it
 
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Brasspen said:
When the devil tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, it was for something that was already hers.
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That is completely FALSE. The forbidden fruit was one thing that was not already hers. She had been forbidden (with Adam) to eat it. Your basic premise is false. If something is already yours ,how can the devil tempt you about it?
 
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Brasspen said:
Jesus was tempted for in the wilderness by the temptor. All of the temptations the devil tried to give Jesus, was for things that where already he's. And it was the same with Adam and Eve. When the devil tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, it was for something that was already hers.

The devil is a theif and liar. He only comes to steal, kill and destroy. There is no truth in him. The half truths he speaks are not worth nothing.
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Regarding Eve: The forbidden fruit was not hers. God had forbid Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit from that tree. In no way were they to eat said fruit. Doing so was a direct disobedience to God, and, thus, the original sin came to be...........
 
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Food for thought:

1) The devil is sooo cunning that he fooled 1/3 of the angels in heaven, who have DIRECT contact and exposure face to face with Gods perfection. Think about that for a second, you who think you live holy lives through Christ.


2) The devil is soo cunning that the wiseman man to ever live, King Solomon fell in the devils snare with beautiful pagan wives, slowly at first and inch by inch.

do NOT under estimate Satan and to have a chance we must always keep our eyes on Christ.
Look at Ravi Zacharias.
 
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jacko said:
Food for thought:

1) The devil is sooo cunning that he fooled 1/3 of the angels in heaven who have DIRECT contact and exposure face to face with Gods perfection. Think about that for a second.


2) The devil is soo cunning that the wiseman man to ever live, King Solomon fell in the devils snare with beautiful pagan wives, slowly at first and inch by inch.

do NOT under estimate Satan and to have a chance we must always keep our eyes on Christ.
Look at Ravi Zacharias.
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Good advice, but Jesus is the wisest man to ever live.
 
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That is completely FALSE. The forbidden fruit was one thing that was not already hers. She had been forbidden (with Adam) to eat it. Your basic premise is false. If something is already yours ,how can the devil tempt you about it?
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The fruit tree of good and evil was there, right there in front of her, who chose to listen to the serpent and ate, noticing in that scripture Adam was right there with her, when she ate, then he ate also. All we get are the cliff notes, to conjecture from and get messed up in. however it happened it happened Adam ate and then the running away and hiding began. This is still happening to this day, not many are bold enough to stand ups against the gates of Hell
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Adam Eve where not tempted with the fruit, but to be like God. To be like God was something they would have already been able to get, but later.
 
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And the temptations of Jesus where things that where not he's yet, but was going to be. It's a devil lie.
 
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One more thing, I don't mean to say that everything the devil temps man with is something he already has, or will have. But if you look that is what he does, and if you have been under he's temptations, you can see too.
 
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Brasspen said:
Jesus was tempted for in the wilderness by the temptor. All of the temptations the devil tried to give Jesus, was for things that where already he's. And it was the same with Adam and Eve. When the devil tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, it was for something that was already hers.

The devil is a theif and liar. He only comes to steal, kill and destroy. There is no truth in him. The half truths he speaks are not worth nothing.
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How can you say that the devil tempted Eve with what was already hers? The tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't already hers. That's why God forbade Eve and Adam to eat of it.
 
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Brasspen said:
And the temptations of Jesus where things that where not he's yet, but was going to be. It's a devil lie.
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I hear what you are saying, but I think you are missing the cause versus the effects.

Jesus went out to BE tempted of the devil that was the cause. the effect was HE said it is written instead of making stones to bread, jumping from a cliff or bowing and worshiping the devil to receive what the earth offered.


Adam and Eve disobeyed because they were made to believe God was unreasonable in requiring them not to eat of the Tree of Good and EVIL.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
"Not Son of God"? Are you serious? Do you find that in the Bible, or is that something you cooked up?
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Solomon is son of Adam, whereas as Jesus is not the seed of Adam is the point. Jesus is Son of Man and Son of God. Solomon is NOT son God.
 
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Solomon is son of Adam, whereas as Jesus is not the seed of Adam is the point. Jesus is Son of Man and Son of God. Solomon is NOT son God.
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First you said that Jesus is NOT the Son of God. Now you are saying the opposite. Of course Jesus "is not the seed of Adam". But that does not mean that his lineage in the Bible has not been traced back to Adam. So you continue to be totally confused.
 
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Yes, but
jacko said:
Food for thought:

1) The devil is sooo cunning that he fooled 1/3 of the angels in heaven, who have DIRECT contact and exposure face to face with Gods perfection. Think about that for a second, you who think you live holy lives through Christ.


2) The devil is soo cunning that the wiseman man to ever live, King Solomon fell in the devils snare with beautiful pagan wives, slowly at first and inch by inch.

do NOT under estimate Satan and to have a chance we must always keep our eyes on Christ.
Look at Ravi Zacharias.
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Yes, but Ravi Zacharias was a false prophet.
For all the intellect and ability to communicate, he had a false gospel. It was very subtle as the serpent so many evangelicals bought that basic lie glazed over with a lot of sugary truth. I admit reading one of his books and listened for some time before seeing through it.
 
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Bruce_Leiter said:
How can you say that the devil tempted Eve with what was already hers? The tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't already hers. That's why God forbade Eve and Adam to eat of it.
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“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It was given to mankind all the trees were but they were forbidden from eating it if we own a poisonous bush in our yard we can own it and also understand not to eat from it

just because the tree were given to them didn’t mean they were all healthy good food meant for eating the commandment is about not eating from that tree
 
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I came to relize, that my statment is not scriptural. It does not say this in scripture. I have found it to be false doctrine because of this. So sorry for this.
 
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