Did your read ruth?I have read the entire Bible and i have read the Book of Revelation a number of times.. So no Oooops about what i have shared.. No going back to any drawing board..
What is it's theme.
Whom is represented by the gentile bride?
The Days of the Lord, The comings of Christ, The Returning's of Jesus, The Advents, The Descending's of our Lord, ever heard of them?
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What is it's theme.
Whom is represented by the gentile bride?
Sorry I wasn't more clear. When Jesus descends to the earth, heaven is here on earth, with Him, for His Day and He gathers. Hence my reply previous reply
No, heaven is not here on earth. That in itself is contradictory. People have invented the "heaven on earth" apologetic in order to support their belief that the church is not going to be taken to heaven, but will remain on the earth, i.e. heaven on earth.
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away."
Heaven and earth are two distinct places. God's throne is in heaven, as are all of those who dwell there.
When Jesus returns to the earth, it does not become heaven on earth. It will be Jesus ruling on the earth.
The time was shortened. At least get behind that fact.
Could you please JUST in one place, state where your "church" being taken out BEFORE Satan is revealed with SCRIPTURE, and only scripture, as I have the return of Christ that only HAPPENS ONE TIME and that is AFTER Satan. 1 and 2 Thess Rev 2:9 Matt 24:29 2 Thess 1:5-12, Zephaniah 1:7-18, 2 Peter 3:10-18, 1 Corinth 15:22- And then get to the explanation.
Ro 14 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Will it help with "only the saved are changed" But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
The Book of Revelation to show His servants which must shortly come to pass, (but not for "the church"?) Who are His servants? 1 Jo 2 And now, little children, ABIDE IN HiM that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. (If the "church" is gone WHO is this speaking to?
The Brightness of His coming destroys the anti christ, but then the anti christ has to be around after that? His return is compared as "in the days of Noah" but those days don't happen until Satan is here??
Jo17:15 ..I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'
Here is an example of some of Gods servants, the church, the body of Christ, saints, etd
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Hebrews 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the RECOMPENCE of the reward.
Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Hebrews 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Do you think "His Bride" might get tested to? Certainly would fit with the rest of the Word.
Could you please JUST in one place, state where your "church" being taken out BEFORE Satan is revealed with SCRIPTURE, and only scripture, as I have the return of Christ that only HAPPENS ONE TIME and that is AFTER Satan. 1 and 2 Thess Rev 2:9 Matt 24:29 2 Thess 1:5-12, Zephaniah 1:7-18, 2 Peter 3:10-18, 1 Corinth 15:22- And then get to the explanation.
Ro 14 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Will it help with "only the saved are changed" But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
The Book of Revelation to show His servants which must shortly come to pass, (but not for "the church"?) Who are His servants? 1 Jo 2 And now, little children, ABIDE IN HiM that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. (If the "church" is gone WHO is this speaking to?
The Brightness of His coming destroys the anti christ, but then the anti christ has to be around after that? His return is compared as "in the days of Noah" but those days don't happen until Satan is here??
Jo17:15 ..I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'
Here is an example of some of Gods servants, the church, the body of Christ, saints, etd
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Hebrews 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the RECOMPENCE of the reward.
Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Hebrews 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Do you think "His Bride" might get tested to? Certainly would fit with the rest of the Word.
The time was shortened. At least get behind that fact.
Could you please JUST in one place, state where your "church" being taken out BEFORE Satan is revealed with SCRIPTURE, and only scripture, as I have the return of Christ that only HAPPENS ONE TIME and that is AFTER Satan. 1 and 2 Thess Rev 2:9 Matt 24:29 2 Thess 1:5-12, Zephaniah 1:7-18, 2 Peter 3:10-18, 1 Corinth 15:22- And then get to the explanation.
Ro 14 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Will it help with "only the saved are changed" But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
The Book of Revelation to show His servants which must shortly come to pass, (but not for "the church"?) Who are His servants? 1 Jo 2 And now, little children, ABIDE IN HiM that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. (If the "church" is gone WHO is this speaking to?
The Brightness of His coming destroys the anti christ, but then the anti christ has to be around after that? His return is compared as "in the days of Noah" but those days don't happen until Satan is here??
Jo17:15 ..I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'
Here is an example of some of Gods servants, the church, the body of Christ, saints, etd
Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Hebrews 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Hebrews 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the RECOMPENCE of the reward.
Hebrews 11:27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Hebrews 11:38 (Of whom the world was not worthy
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Do you think "His Bride" might get tested to? Certainly would fit with the rest of the Word.
The tribulation saints, by the raptue theory, are those who completely rejected Christ or never knew anything about Him, and now are choosing to be tortured for their belief in Him? Doesn't it seem more logical to have the people who have been professing their love and devotion to you and know your promises to do these things?
How can the "Marriage" take place with a "Partial" bride? If Christ skips the "rapture" and comes after Satan, then destroying all evil with His brightness on the way down, (all "the spiritually dead"/ "those who took the mark"/ "those flesh bodies that have all just dropped dead and are now being resurrected into their celestial bodies for the millennium), *****
He can claim His whole Bride all at one. The separation for the 1000 years of teachers on one side students on the other can commence so simply.
**** I also don't believe that the "Soul" goes into a hole in the ground along with the flesh. I believe that the reason there are saints under the altar is because to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord. or put another way, the flesh body returns to the earth where it came from and the spirit returns to God where it came from. Ecc. Because of this I also know that there is not some Huuge resurrection when Christ returns from people "in graves" When God tells us about our two bodies, He tells us just like planting a plant with a seed, for the new plant to grow, the seed must die. So when the flesh body dies, the celestial body is what we step into. And that celestial body goes to heaven. Good bad ugly, ALL.
God is long suffering because He doesn't want to lose not one of His children. God is Just. If I understand this "theory" correctly all the good leave, all the bad are tortured. What about all those to young to have been exposed? Or to remote? Or under a government where it is forbidden? Or those mentally ill or impaired ? They cant all be raptured away. What about all the God fearing Jesus loving devoted to God Christians who have never prayed to be "raptured" out? They must go through the torture too? They deserve (and I know it doesn't come till later by for the sake of the theory argument) Gods Wrath?
I did see something I found very encouraging in one of your posts and it had to do with the 3rd heaven and earth and I gave a little cheer and thought at least you know about the 1st one. I don't understand how with that knowledge you can still justify this theory. But that is off point so I drop it.
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Doesn't it get exhausting always having to "twist or turn or speculate etc" instead of just reading and enjoying the simple way God wrote it to us?
Satan is coming and albeit a deception, with miracles, and signs and wonders, and fixing the thing we perceive to be the world killer, and with peace bringing the whole world together, and prosperity for those who, but for a bit of worship, can have it all. When he tempted Eve was it violent or angry? No, just took Gods Words and gave them a bit of a different meaning and made it seem like not such a big deal. When he tempted Jesus, all he wanted was to be worshipped. When he comes to temp the world, he just wants to be worshipped as God. His time is not going to be about all sorts of evil. Just the opposite. But what it does to our eternal soul, that is a deception on a scale the world has never seen.
The mystery of iniquity has been at work, since Cain. The system is almost completely set up to take on the world. Just as it is about to all be put into place the two witnesses arrive, the deadly wound, and the beginning of the hour of temptation. 5 months. Satan and his angels kicked out of heaven. the taking and giving of fallen angels with mankind the 10 earthly kings taken over by the fallen ones. The system set that to receive all the "goodness" gonna have to worship. At the end, the two witness killed. Jesus, the day of vengeance arrives. The end of an age. The millennium kingdom, here on earth where all are changed and separated. Satan bound, at the end of the 1000 loosed, lake of fire, 3rd Heaven and earth, the last age begins. This either helps or not. We will absolutely be rewarded with the truth, what ever that may be. The worst that can happen to me is to be "caught up out of here early" but I am hopeful because it is a prayer I have and never will pray. Keep me in the game coach. I believe in the promises of God. I know I am given the power over all evil in the name of Jesus. I have put on the gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan. I have not premediated what would be spoken should the Holy Spirit wish to speak through me should I be taken up before Satan for a 10 day trial. I look forward to the better reward. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but one. I would love to girt up my loins and stand for Christ. Even just thinking on the "Honor" of God using me for such a divine purpose brings tears to my eyes. There is nothing that Satan could ever to my flesh that would change even an iota of my love and respect, For our Lord and Saviour and nothing I wouldn't suffer in this life for Him.
That's all I have right now. I look forward to the time when once again all of Gods children, (the ones who made it anyhow), will be full of joy and singing to God. When we are back to living on this planet as He created it for the 1st earth age
How can the "Marriage" take place with a "Partial" bride? If Christ skips the "rapture" and comes after Satan, then destroying all evil with His brightness on the way down, (all "the spiritually dead"/ "those who took the mark"/ "those flesh bodies that have all just dropped dead and are now being resurrected into their celestial bodies for the millennium), *****
He can claim His whole Bride all at one. The separation for the 1000 years of teachers on one side students on the other can commence so simply.
**** I also don't believe that the "Soul" goes into a hole in the ground along with the flesh. I believe that the reason there are saints under the altar is because to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord. or put another way, the flesh body returns to the earth where it came from and the spirit returns to God where it came from. Ecc. Because of this I also know that there is not some Huuge resurrection when Christ returns from people "in graves" When God tells us about our two bodies, He tells us just like planting a plant with a seed, for the new plant to grow, the seed must die. So when the flesh body dies, the celestial body is what we step into. And that celestial body goes to heaven. Good bad ugly, ALL.
God is long suffering because He doesn't want to lose not one of His children. God is Just. If I understand this "theory" correctly all the good leave, all the bad are tortured. What about all those to young to have been exposed? Or to remote? Or under a government where it is forbidden? Or those mentally ill or impaired ? They cant all be raptured away. What about all the God fearing Jesus loving devoted to God Christians who have never prayed to be "raptured" out? They must go through the torture too? They deserve (and I know it doesn't come till later by for the sake of the theory argument) Gods Wrath?
I did see something I found very encouraging in one of your posts and it had to do with the 3rd heaven and earth and I gave a little cheer and thought at least you know about the 1st one. I don't understand how with that knowledge you can still justify this theory. But that is off point so I drop it.
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Doesn't it get exhausting always having to "twist or turn or speculate etc" instead of just reading and enjoying the simple way God wrote it to us?
Satan is coming and albeit a deception, with miracles, and signs and wonders, and fixing the thing we perceive to be the world killer, and with peace bringing the whole world together, and prosperity for those who, but for a bit of worship, can have it all. When he tempted Eve was it violent or angry? No, just took Gods Words and gave them a bit of a different meaning and made it seem like not such a big deal. When he tempted Jesus, all he wanted was to be worshipped. When he comes to temp the world, he just wants to be worshipped as God. His time is not going to be about all sorts of evil. Just the opposite. But what it does to our eternal soul, that is a deception on a scale the world has never seen.
The mystery of iniquity has been at work, since Cain. The system is almost completely set up to take on the world. Just as it is about to all be put into place the two witnesses arrive, the deadly wound, and the beginning of the hour of temptation. 5 months. Satan and his angels kicked out of heaven. the taking and giving of fallen angels with mankind the 10 earthly kings taken over by the fallen ones. The system set that to receive all the "goodness" gonna have to worship. At the end, the two witness killed. Jesus, the day of vengeance arrives. The end of an age. The millennium kingdom, here on earth where all are changed and separated. Satan bound, at the end of the 1000 loosed, lake of fire, 3rd Heaven and earth, the last age begins. This either helps or not. We will absolutely be rewarded with the truth, what ever that may be. The worst that can happen to me is to be "caught up out of here early" but I am hopeful because it is a prayer I have and never will pray. Keep me in the game coach. I believe in the promises of God. I know I am given the power over all evil in the name of Jesus. I have put on the gospel armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan. I have not premediated what would be spoken should the Holy Spirit wish to speak through me should I be taken up before Satan for a 10 day trial. I look forward to the better reward. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies but one. I would love to girt up my loins and stand for Christ. Even just thinking on the "Honor" of God using me for such a divine purpose brings tears to my eyes. There is nothing that Satan could ever to my flesh that would change even an iota of my love and respect, For our Lord and Saviour and nothing I wouldn't suffer in this life for Him.
That's all I have right now. I look forward to the time when once again all of Gods children, (the ones who made it anyhow), will be full of joy and singing to God. When we are back to living on this planet as He created it for the 1st earth age
Does anyone here search out the original language and the definitions of the words that GOD used so as to get the true meanings of the words TRANSLATED for us? "will pass away" Strongs 3928 parerchomai DEFINITION - to pass by, to come to Usage - I pass by, pass away, pass out of sight: I am rendered void, become vain, neglect, disregard. PLUS lots more. Tiny little study with Big huge rewards in knowledge.
I have already presented that information, but you have not listened. Some things Biblical events, such as when the Lord is going to gather His church, are concluded by other principal teachings. For example:
"Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! - Rom.5:9
"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath." - 1 Thess.1:10
"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thess.5:9
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you out of the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." - Rev.3:10
The underlying principal is that, Jesus took upon Himself God's wrath for sin that every believer deserves, satisfying God's wrath completely. Therefore, since it has already be satisfied, then God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer, which means that we will not go through His wrath which is soon coming upon this earth in the form of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues which the two witnesses will bring.
Revelation 4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the church being caught up when that voice that sounds like a trumpet says "come up here," which takes place prior to the first seal being opened and which initiates God's wrath. The first seal rider on the white horse is symbolically representing the antichrist, which would demonstrate that the church will be gathered prior to the antichrist being revealed. That coupled with the fact that we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath demonstrates that the church must be gathered prior to God's wrath.
Also, I have previously told you that the gathering of the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth as being two separate events. When Jesus appears to gather His church, He is not returning to the earth, but only to fulfill His promise in John 14:1-3, which is to come back and take us to the Father's house where he went to prepare those places for all believers. 1 Thess.4:13-17 is a detailed account of His fulfillment of that promise. On the other hand, Matt.24:39-31, Rev.1:7 and 19:11-21, are detailed accounts of when Jesus literally returns to the earth to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. That said, if you have the church being gathered when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, then you would be putting the living church through the entire wrath of God and thereby ignoring the other scriptures which state that we are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath. Do you understand this?
Also, I have already demonstrated from scripture that the church is already in heaven at the wedding of the Lamb and will be returning with the Lord when He returns to the earth to appose the beast and all of the nations who will be making war against him. If there was one scripture that proved that the church is already in heaven during the time of God's wrath, it would be the following:
"Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride (the church) has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”
The wedding of the Lamb is shown to be taking place in heaven while God's wrath is taking place on the earth. The bride is the church where she will be receiving her fine linen, white and clean. Then in verse 14 we see the following:
"The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.
Those armies who are following Christ out of heaven are wearing the same fine linen, white and clean that was previously given to the bride at the wedding of the Lamb. It shows that the bride/church is following Christ out of heaven riding on white horses. This demonstrates that the church would already have to be in heaven in order to follow the Lord out off heaven. Do you understand this?
In addition, we have an excerpt from Rev.17:14 referring to when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which is depicted in Rev.19:11-21, which states the following:
"They (the beast and ten kings) will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
So here again, we have Jesus returning to the earth to end the age and to fight against the beast and those kings and returning with Him will be His called, chosen and faithful followers. Once again, the church would already have to be in heaven in order to follow the Lord out of heaven.
Now, instead of looking for your apologetics about all that I have written, please read it carefully and check out these scriptures that I have provided!
Your missing the point! Heaven and earth passing away is not the issue, but the location of heaven is. And yes, I am continually looking up the Hebrew and Greek on a daily basis, as well as comparing scriptures from all of the other interpretations.
As I demonstrated in post #56, heaven is always referred to as being "Up" in relation to the earth. Go back and look at the previous post, for I provided the scriptures which demonstrate this.
Looks like a lost cause. This poster continues to promote error when she needs to learn the fundamentals of the faith. You'd be wasting your time on this thread.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
The day of the LORD is when God fights the world at the battle of Armageddon, and Jesus steps down on the Mount of Olives to fight the world, which the disciples were told that He would descend the same way He ascended up, and He was standing on the Mount of Olives.
The day of the LORD is the time that God reveals Himself to the world by a visible image, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
This is considered the day of the LORD although it is not the battle of Armageddon, but God revealing Himself to Israel by a visible image of Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ, and John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus, which John was in the spirit of Elijah.
And it states that John the Baptist will turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to the fathers, which is a big step to them acknowledging the truth, for children obeying their parents is the first commandment with promise because they learn humbleness, and fathers provoke your children not to wrath where they will want to rebel.
And at the battle of Armageddon this will not occur, and not the purpose of a person, but the time God will fight the world, and defeat them, although Elijah will probably be one of the witnesses sent to Israel to turn them to the truth of Jesus in the future when all Jews are in Israel by way of the peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinian, which the Gentile nations will see to it that all Jews go to Israel, and that is what the man of sin wants for all them to be on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews in which they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.
So the day of the LORD is a time that God reveals Himself by a visible image to the world who is the Lord Jesus Christ, whether when He was on earth, or at the battle of Armageddon, which the book of Revelation is a revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ to the world, and the mystery of God will be finished for then the world will know the one true God, and when Jesus reigns on earth over the people that God spared the Lord shall be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, and Jesus will fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law shall be fulfilled, and then heaven and earth shall pass away, and there will be a new heaven and earth wherein dwells righteousness.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Isa 2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
Isa 13:4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
The day of the LORD is when God fights the world at the battle of Armageddon, and Jesus steps down on the Mount of Olives to fight the world, which the disciples were told that He would descend the same way He ascended up, and He was standing on the Mount of Olives.
The day of the LORD is the time that God reveals Himself to the world by a visible image, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
This is considered the day of the LORD although it is not the battle of Armageddon, but God revealing Himself to Israel by a visible image of Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ, and John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus, which John was in the spirit of Elijah.
And it states that John the Baptist will turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to the fathers, which is a big step to them acknowledging the truth, for children obeying their parents is the first commandment with promise because they learn humbleness, and fathers provoke your children not to wrath where they will want to rebel.
And at the battle of Armageddon this will not occur, and not the purpose of a person, but the time God will fight the world, and defeat them, although Elijah will probably be one of the witnesses sent to Israel to turn them to the truth of Jesus in the future when all Jews are in Israel by way of the peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinian, which the Gentile nations will see to it that all Jews go to Israel, and that is what the man of sin wants for all them to be on their land, but God means it for good towards the Jews in which they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.
So the day of the LORD is a time that God reveals Himself by a visible image to the world who is the Lord Jesus Christ, whether when He was on earth, or at the battle of Armageddon, which the book of Revelation is a revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ to the world, and the mystery of God will be finished for then the world will know the one true God, and when Jesus reigns on earth over the people that God spared the Lord shall be King over all the earth, and in that day there shall be one LORD, and His name one, and Jesus will fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law shall be fulfilled, and then heaven and earth shall pass away, and there will be a new heaven and earth wherein dwells righteousness.
Romans 5:9 - Does you see this as God can not control His Wrath and where it goes and who it touches, therefore, He must take you?
1 Thess 1:10 - Does this mean that we WEREN'T given power over all evil through the name of Jesus Christ?
1 Thess 5:9 - Does this mean that putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet wouldn't be effective against Satan?
Rev 3:10 - Does this mean that you don't believe that God is capable of "keeping you safe" in anyway other that to take you away?
Did not the blood on the doorposts "keep" the plague of the 1st born dying from affecting Gods Children at the very time it was killing the children in Egypt.
You do not believe we are presently in the 5th seal?
Yes you have told me that you BELIEVE the Lord returns 2 more times, yet still not given scripture that can not be perfectly placed within the context of JUST a 2nd Advent, a coming 1 more time, completely doing away with pre trib church rap,
1 Thess 4:13 - 17 is clearly describing as Jesus died and rose, so those also WHO HAVE DIED, will He bring back, nothing about the church here. Also this is happening with the TRUMP OF GOD. When is it the Trumps are sounding? Or now are we to add an extra trump to?
You keep insisting the only way to be kept from the wrath of God is to be taken away even though we are told to suit up for battle and our knowledge and faith will protect or "keep" us from harm and that power is given to us to USE against Satan. What have you made up for the church that God specifically says will come before Satan?
And I 100% do have the church going through the entire time Satan is here. Because I have read the book and there is a war going on for our eternal souls and the BIG BATTLE will be when Satan is here doing his thing and it makes NO sense for God to make sure we put on the full gospel armor to WITHSTAND THE FIERY DARTS OF SATAN if He is just going to FLY US away and leave the battle up to a bunch of people who don't love or care about Him to TEACH THEM A LESSON. How is that going to accomplish GOD saving every last soul He has so long been suffering for?
Revelation 19 Yes but you conviently skipped over the verse right before it that states
Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: FOR HE HATH JUDGED THE GREAT WHORE, WHICH DID CORRUPT THE EARTH WITH HER FORNICATION, AHD HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS at her hand.
How is it possible that you missed this part? Do you just read Revelation like it is written in chronological order? 19:3... And her smoke rose up forever and ever.
rEV 17 Will receive power as kings for ONE HOUR, THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION? and yes, Jesus is returning to earth, BUT this is THE DAY of Vengeance, the 2nd coming, the 2nd advent, (He has come once before, only once)
The fiery furnace, the Lions Den, Passover, the Red Sea, Noahs Flood, No matter how big or how small, a big group or just one, we walk by faith and we pass through, and when God wants we are "kept" from all harm that would come against us. GOD has no reason to take away His chosen. The first shall be last.... We stood with God in the 1st earth age against Satan, and we will stand at the last.
Revelation starts out writing to the churches WHAT THE HEck FOR? if we are NOT even a part of it. Why are you even reading revelation, got nothing to do with you. Why does He separate them and tell them 7 times HE WHO OVERCOMES, if they are not going to be overcoming ANYTHING. Or do you feel you have just been so persecuted already that you just couldn't take anymore?
Agreed! That seems to be the case in these last days where people would rather provide false apologetics instead of taking advantage of the truth being revealed to them. It seems to be the same scenario over and over, where they adopt a false teaching and then fight tooth and nail to support it.
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I am so confused as to why people think the Church is raptured but Israel remains.
The Gentiles have been Grafted into Israel we are one and the same.
Do not be fooled, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth
The Gentiles have been Grafted into Israel we are one and the same.
Do not be fooled, there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth
Now these are the problems that need to be addressed, and also the rewards to the churches that OVERCOME and seeing as how this is the beginning of the REVELATION, and it is clearly stated there will be a 10 day trial DURING SATANS TRIBULATION for some, I still have to go with JESUS WILL BE returning just ONE MORE TIME and that will be for the 2nd ADVENT, just like the book says.
Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. (COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY; doesn't sound so good here)
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (SEEMS so casually placed, like it isn't even a question that all will be here until the 2nd Advent).
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto he churches.
Revelation 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. (COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY; doesn't sound so good here)
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. (SEEMS so casually placed, like it isn't even a question that all will be here until the 2nd Advent).
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto he churches.
Endtime eschatology? Its all there to be found. Every word of it. IMO really beyond refutation.
A pre-trib rapture is indeed biblicallly supported. Its the best fit by far.