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Matthew 24 NIV (biblehub.com)
Love, Walter And Debbie
Matthew 24 NIV (biblehub.com)
Love, Walter And Debbie
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The day when what we can term an abomination that will cause desolation is unknown. It will result in darkness according to Jesus. In rev ch8 it states a third of the sun will not shine neither a third of the moon, so, one third of the earth will be covered in darkness. It will be a horror unequalled since the creation of the world, and will never be equalled again. Although we don't know when that day is, I find the war in Ukraine extremely unnerving when I think of biblical prophecy such as Matt24
Tribulation has not started. Day the abomination that causes desolation is known--1290th day of the tribulation
The abomination that causes desolation is not the beginning, but a mid point, from my understanding, either way it doesn't matter to a genuine believer, we are keeping our heads down and doing what He has us to do.
Thank you and best wishes
Dan 12: 11 And from the time that the continual burnt offering is taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
When you quote Matthew 24, you are quoting scriptures directed at Israel
Shittim--This timing of the abomination is 30 days after the antichrist takes his seat in temple of God
Nuclear weapons could be termed an abomination that causes desolation. If there was a nuclear war, concerning the main countries who now have those weapons it would result in darkness(Jesus mentioned darkness would be the result in Matt24) In rev 8 it states a third of the earth would be covered in darkness, due to a third of the sun and moon not shining. If there is a nuclear war concerning the main countries that have those weapons, it would result in a cloud covering a third of the earth, so the sun and moon would not shine over one third of the earth. It would be a horror unequalled since creation, and would never according to Jesus be equalled again, if those days were not cut short no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened. I don't see how all of that can only refer to Israel
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; Do you live in Israel???
I think you are letting literalism carry you away. It could be symbolic of anywhere on this earth, though I'm not an expert, it could cause undesirable consequences in Israel also, without the devastation of elsewhere. However, it remains the only way man can bring to pass the prophecies of Matt24&Rev8. And sadly, it all fits
To a Hebrew follower of Jesus that means He is returning on the feast of Trumpets.
The Feast of Trumpets began on the first day (at the new moon) of the seventh month.
You had to be “watching” for the appearance of the new moon because no one knew the day or hour it would appear to mark first day of the new month and the feast of trumpets.
Paul understood this as a student and follower of Jesus Christ.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
We as Christians, who study to show ourselves approved unto God, knows that the Day of the Lord will not come as a thief in the night for us.
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4
JPT
Studying scripture is certainly not assuming.
Do you understand that Jesus was plainly using Hebraic idiomatic language which His disciples understood, that referred directly to the feast of Trumpets?
JLB
How about this then?
If we go from the feast of Trumpets to Pentecost it can be 1335 days to the Blessed day
If we go from the feast of Trumpets to Pentecost it can be 1335 days to the Blessed day
Hello JPT, And how are you all? Whatever day He comes as The Father will: https://plainbibleteaching.com/2017/11/08/lord-come-quickly/
Love, Walter And Debbie
SUNDAY RAPTURE THEORY
Throughout the church age Sunday has been sanctified to Christ and his bride (the church): the first day of the week, the day of His resurrection- designated the “Lord’s Day” by his beloved disciples. How appropriate would it be for Christ to claim His bride on this special day of the week. In support of my SUNDAY RAPTURE THEORY I present the following:
Rev 1:10 I (John) was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."
Rev 4:2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.
The voice inviting John to heaven is the voice of Christ. Many bible students believe that John's entrance into heaven is a PICTURE of the church's being taken home to be with the Lord before the tribulation begins. While every detail of a picture is not necessarily reflected in the real event - I think it’s extremely significant that John’s vision took place on the Lord’s Day.
Mathew 13:10-17 reveals that the Lord taught with PARABLES to impart truth to His followers while concealing truth from those who reject Him. This same reasoning would also apply to the use of pictures.
I believe the Lord gave us this picture to reveal the truth of a Sunday rapture prior to the start of the Tribulation.
Please stay with me on this a little while longer…
The book of Revelation is divided into three main parts.
Rev 1:19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
1. the things which you have seen, (Chapter 1)
The vision of Christ as Judge of the churches. (Note: These were 7 functioning churches of John’s day - specifically chosen by the Lord to accurately represent the historical progression of the church age).
2. the things which are, (Chapters 2 and 3)
An outline of the Church Age from beginning to end.
3. the things which will take place after this (Chapters 4 → 22)
Future events from the Rapture to the Eternal State.
There is a definite break at Chapter 4:1 when John enters heaven itself.
This event pictures the Rapture of the church.
From this point on, the church is never mentioned as being on earth.
After the church has been translated to heaven, the Lord will once again resume His dealings with the nation of Israel.
The Tribulation, is a seven-year period in which the Lord deals with the Jewish people concerning their rejection of the Messiah. Jeremiah called it “The time of Jacob’s trouble”.
Jer 30:7 Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob's trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.
Those who turn to Christ during the Tribulation period (tribulation saints) will be saved to enter the glorious Millennial kingdom on earth, whereas those who refuse Him will face eternal judgment.
Getting back to the pre-tribulation Rapture of the universal church…
At the split second when Sunday turns to Monday (at the international date line),
it is the Lord’s Day in every time zone around the globe.
How wonderfully fitting if the Lord should return for His bride on a Sunday,
(the day of His resurrection) to resurrect His sleeping saints -
and clothe them (together with us who are still alive) with immortality.
I believe that the church is wed to (united with) Christ at the Rapture.
Christ and His bride will become one in the twinkle of an eye.
Throughout the church age Sunday has been sanctified to Christ and his bride (the church): the first day of the week, the day of His resurrection- designated the “Lord’s Day” by his beloved disciples. How appropriate would it be for Christ to claim His bride on this special day of the week. In support of my SUNDAY RAPTURE THEORY I present the following:
Rev 1:10 I (John) was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."
Rev 4:2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.
The voice inviting John to heaven is the voice of Christ. Many bible students believe that John's entrance into heaven is a PICTURE of the church's being taken home to be with the Lord before the tribulation begins. While every detail of a picture is not necessarily reflected in the real event - I think it’s extremely significant that John’s vision took place on the Lord’s Day.
Mathew 13:10-17 reveals that the Lord taught with PARABLES to impart truth to His followers while concealing truth from those who reject Him. This same reasoning would also apply to the use of pictures.
I believe the Lord gave us this picture to reveal the truth of a Sunday rapture prior to the start of the Tribulation.
Please stay with me on this a little while longer…
The book of Revelation is divided into three main parts.
Rev 1:19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
1. the things which you have seen, (Chapter 1)
The vision of Christ as Judge of the churches. (Note: These were 7 functioning churches of John’s day - specifically chosen by the Lord to accurately represent the historical progression of the church age).
2. the things which are, (Chapters 2 and 3)
An outline of the Church Age from beginning to end.
3. the things which will take place after this (Chapters 4 → 22)
Future events from the Rapture to the Eternal State.
There is a definite break at Chapter 4:1 when John enters heaven itself.
This event pictures the Rapture of the church.
From this point on, the church is never mentioned as being on earth.
After the church has been translated to heaven, the Lord will once again resume His dealings with the nation of Israel.
The Tribulation, is a seven-year period in which the Lord deals with the Jewish people concerning their rejection of the Messiah. Jeremiah called it “The time of Jacob’s trouble”.
Jer 30:7 Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob's trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.
Those who turn to Christ during the Tribulation period (tribulation saints) will be saved to enter the glorious Millennial kingdom on earth, whereas those who refuse Him will face eternal judgment.
Getting back to the pre-tribulation Rapture of the universal church…
At the split second when Sunday turns to Monday (at the international date line),
it is the Lord’s Day in every time zone around the globe.
How wonderfully fitting if the Lord should return for His bride on a Sunday,
(the day of His resurrection) to resurrect His sleeping saints -
and clothe them (together with us who are still alive) with immortality.
I believe that the church is wed to (united with) Christ at the Rapture.
Christ and His bride will become one in the twinkle of an eye.
I am not against a Sunday resurrection/ rapture because I see Pentecost as the Day.
Keep in mind the Lord's Day can be understood as the Day of the Lord
Keep in mind the Lord's Day can be understood as the Day of the Lord
The Rapture and Jewish Weddings
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There is an interesting parallel between a Jewish wedding and the Rapture.
Only a Pre-Tribulation Rapture will fit into this scenario.
Three groups of people were present at every Jewish wedding—the groom, the bride, and the invited guests.
Three groups of people will also be involved in the marriage of the Lamb.
1. The Groom—this is Jesus (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:23-27)
2. The Bride—this is the Church (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:22-32, Rev. 21:9-10)
3. The Guests—these are people saved after the Rapture (Matt. 25:1-10).
Some people have mistakenly interpreted the 10 virgins as the Church.
However, they are the guests invited to the wedding feast and are not the bride.
Three Aspects of a Jewish Wedding
There were also three aspects of every Jewish wedding.
The same is true with the marriage of the Lamb.
1. The Wedding Contract (Betrothal).
This is when a person is saved (2 Cor. 11:2).
2. The Wedding Ceremony (Groom receives Bride).
This is the Rapture (John 14:2-3). Revelation 19:7 literally reads, "The marriage of the Lamb came and His wife prepared herself."
The wedding already occurred at the Rapture, and now the Lamb and the Church are about to return to earth for the wedding feast. This parallels what Jesus said in Luke 12:36, "And be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding…
” (It should read “wedding,” not "wedding feast" as some versions say. Why would someone wait after the wedding feast when the celebration is over?)
3. The Wedding Feast (Guests are invited to the celebration).
This is the Second Coming (Matt. 25:1-10) "Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb" (Rev. 19:9).
A bride is not invited to her own wedding! The Church was married to Christ at the Rapture.
The wedding feast will occur on earth after the Second Coming.
Those people saved after the Rapture will be invited to participate in the wedding feast.
And here's one more thought to ponder…
Three Times of Redemption (“Redemption" means "to purchase.”)
1. When you were saved by receiving Jesus as your Lord, He redeemed your spirit. (1 Peter 1:18, Eph. 1:7)
2. At the Rapture, Jesus will redeem your body. (Rom. 8:23, Eph. 1:14, 4:30).
3. At the Second Coming, Jesus will redeem the earth. (Rom. 8:19-22) At this time, the curse which was placed on it because of the fall of man (Gen. 3:17-19) will be lifted (Zech. 14:11).
www.makinglifecount.net
You have permission to copy and distribute this material.
There is an interesting parallel between a Jewish wedding and the Rapture.
Only a Pre-Tribulation Rapture will fit into this scenario.
Three groups of people were present at every Jewish wedding—the groom, the bride, and the invited guests.
Three groups of people will also be involved in the marriage of the Lamb.
1. The Groom—this is Jesus (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:23-27)
2. The Bride—this is the Church (2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:22-32, Rev. 21:9-10)
3. The Guests—these are people saved after the Rapture (Matt. 25:1-10).
Some people have mistakenly interpreted the 10 virgins as the Church.
However, they are the guests invited to the wedding feast and are not the bride.
Three Aspects of a Jewish Wedding
There were also three aspects of every Jewish wedding.
The same is true with the marriage of the Lamb.
1. The Wedding Contract (Betrothal).
This is when a person is saved (2 Cor. 11:2).
2. The Wedding Ceremony (Groom receives Bride).
This is the Rapture (John 14:2-3). Revelation 19:7 literally reads, "The marriage of the Lamb came and His wife prepared herself."
The wedding already occurred at the Rapture, and now the Lamb and the Church are about to return to earth for the wedding feast. This parallels what Jesus said in Luke 12:36, "And be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding…
” (It should read “wedding,” not "wedding feast" as some versions say. Why would someone wait after the wedding feast when the celebration is over?)
3. The Wedding Feast (Guests are invited to the celebration).
This is the Second Coming (Matt. 25:1-10) "Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb" (Rev. 19:9).
A bride is not invited to her own wedding! The Church was married to Christ at the Rapture.
The wedding feast will occur on earth after the Second Coming.
Those people saved after the Rapture will be invited to participate in the wedding feast.
And here's one more thought to ponder…
Three Times of Redemption (“Redemption" means "to purchase.”)
1. When you were saved by receiving Jesus as your Lord, He redeemed your spirit. (1 Peter 1:18, Eph. 1:7)
2. At the Rapture, Jesus will redeem your body. (Rom. 8:23, Eph. 1:14, 4:30).
3. At the Second Coming, Jesus will redeem the earth. (Rom. 8:19-22) At this time, the curse which was placed on it because of the fall of man (Gen. 3:17-19) will be lifted (Zech. 14:11).
Five views on the RAPTURE of the church:
1. Pre-tribulation view
The rapture occurs before the 7 year tribulation period begins.
2. Partial tribulation view
Not all believers will be raptured - only those who have some degree of spiritual attainment that makes them worthy.
Unworthy Christians will be left behind during the tribulation.
3. Mid-tribulation view
The rapture occurs at the middle of the 7 year tribulation period.
4. Post-tribulation view
The rapture occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
5. Amillennial view
Amillennialists hold vey different views concerning not only the Rapture.
Most amillennialists believe there is no Rapture.
Amillennialists believe that some parts of the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled, that some are being fulfilled now, and some will be fulfilled later. Amillennialists negate the supernatural aspects of Revelation because they believe most of it is allegory.
For the sake of clarity it would be very helpful
if all contributors declared their position.
AlwaysCurious
Pre-trib
1. Pre-tribulation view
The rapture occurs before the 7 year tribulation period begins.
2. Partial tribulation view
Not all believers will be raptured - only those who have some degree of spiritual attainment that makes them worthy.
Unworthy Christians will be left behind during the tribulation.
3. Mid-tribulation view
The rapture occurs at the middle of the 7 year tribulation period.
4. Post-tribulation view
The rapture occurs at the end of the 7 year tribulation period.
5. Amillennial view
Amillennialists hold vey different views concerning not only the Rapture.
Most amillennialists believe there is no Rapture.
Amillennialists believe that some parts of the Book of Revelation have already been fulfilled, that some are being fulfilled now, and some will be fulfilled later. Amillennialists negate the supernatural aspects of Revelation because they believe most of it is allegory.
For the sake of clarity it would be very helpful
if all contributors declared their position.
AlwaysCurious
Pre-trib