Is man's free will unlimited?Hay thunderrr-mental, your posts remind me of the little Cho-Cho that never gives up.
They were never saved because they choose not to be, it's called free-will.
Is man's free will unlimited?Hay thunderrr-mental, your posts remind me of the little Cho-Cho that never gives up.
They were never saved because they choose not to be, it's called free-will.
You actually know less than you think you do.
Exactly. You all the way. That is all your hear when someone does not agree with how great you think you are.
Completely agree with you here. I am w.o.f. by how I defined it like all true Christians are. We are just not w.o.f. how those on television define it.Unfortunately the "Wof" movement does not adhere to the real understanding of Romans 10:8, "But what does it say? The Word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching." In other words, the message of salvation by faith conveys the good news that Christ, the Son of God, came down from heaven to become the Son of Man and to die for us, and that He has ascended again from the dead."
The actual Wof movement changed the meaning of this verse by saying, "You can have what you say." Or you have a divine right to prosper in all areas of life. Or you will get healed, no matter your physical problem. Of course it gets a lot worse when you have Kenneth Copeland teaching that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan. And that He Jesus went to hell and was tortured by Satan until God the Father yelled out, "Let Him be." I just touched on some of this, it gets a lot worse. Btw, welcome to Church Chat.
IN GOD THE SON,
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I disagree with this assessment.The sooner we all realize that we are all heretics, the sooner unbelievers will have a better opinion of us all. Nobody has everything correct. If we disagree we shouldn't label one another as false teachers. As we speak, both Barna and Pew have polls that show people have a very unfavorable opinion of 'Christians' especially 'evangelicals. One big reason - Christians can hardly agree on anything.
May the first person who believes they have everything correct please step forward.I disagree with this assessment.
It was just a joke. Maybe Christians should cover others sins rather than take offense. Perhaps that would change people's minds.May the first person who believes they have everything correct please step forward.
Christianity has seriously been losing ground for over 20 years and ALL the polls prove this. They call this the rise of the DONES AND NONES and it's much worse today that in 2002!
http://www.christianity9to5.org/few-have-a-positive-view-of-christians/
I didn't realize it but that is a 2002 poll. More recent Barna and Pew polls show Christianity being in serious decline. The main causes of this is Christian disagreements, judgmentalism and hypocrisy especially toward LGBTQ folks. Politics - far right stuff also plays a role.
In this poll non-religious people were surveyed to determine their favorable or unfavorable opinion of groups like Democrats, Republicans, Real Estate agents, movie and television performers, lawyers, evangelicals, lesbians, and prostitutes, clergy, born again Christians.
The only group with a more unfavorable opinion of Evangelicals were prostitutes.
Denominations of Christianity all claim to derive each's doctrine from the Word, the Bible. Because they do not agree with each other tells me that apostasy abounds. Golly, it is written apostasy would abound.The sooner we all realize that we are all heretics, the sooner unbelievers will have a better opinion of us all. Nobody has everything correct. If we disagree we shouldn't label one another as false teachers. As we speak, both Barna and Pew have polls that show people have a very unfavorable opinion of 'Christians' especially 'evangelicals. One big reason - Christians can hardly agree on anything.
Is man's free will unlimited?
Man is finite. Man was created. Man is disposed toward sin. In what way is Man not limited?That is an interesting question. It depends on what you're talking about.
Although God might limit man's doing, I'd think that only man, himself, can limit his own will. Or so I'd think. I gather that you've read it that God places the will in us but I'm not so sure it should be read that way. "For it is God that works in you...," this revelation in Phil 2:13 is preceded by the provided example of Christ's mind that we should "let be in you,' of Whom we know to have given, "Not my will, but yours be done," and I suppose to draw, from the Father's will, the impetus, that is the love, to do.Man is finite. Man was created. Man is disposed toward sin. In what way is Man not limited?
What does man's will consist in? Is it only in purposing? Or is it in bringing a purpose to fruition?Although God might limit man's doing, I'd think that only man, himself, can limit his own will. Or so I'd think. I gather that you've read it that God places the will in us but I'm not so sure it should be read that way. "For it is God that works in you...," this revelation in Phil 2:13 is preceded by the provided example of Christ's mind that we should "let be in you,' of Whom we know to have given, "Not my will, but yours be done," and I suppose to draw, from the Father's will, the impetus, that is the love, to do.
Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat, and the battlefieldThe sooner we all realize that we are all heretics, the sooner unbelievers will have a better opinion of us all.
imho, that would be 'S'?:Do you know the best vitamin for a Christian?
I could will that my favorite color be yours, if it'd make you happy.What does man's will consist in? Is it only in purposing? Or is it in bringing a purpose to fruition?
Does God only will? Or is He willing and doing?
Does our fallen nature limit what we will?
For the Christian, is it God's command to limit our will?
If we can do nothing apart from Christ, does this limit our will?
Even in the example you gave, isn't the exercise of God's will in us limiting and appropriating our will?
From another angle...
What is your favorite color? Favorite food? Why is this so? Were these things innate? Did you decide or discover this about yourself?
It's vitamin B1Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome To Chat, and the battlefield
Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In Christ, and in
His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided [ + one addition ].
Grace and Peace.
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Ok. Your favorite color is now blue. But this actually makes my point. You can say now that your favorite color is blue. But is it really?I could will that my favorite color be yours, if it'd make you happy.
Christ expressed His will that the cup be taken from Him, why then did He drink it?
The sooner we all realize that we are all heretics, the sooner unbelievers will have a better opinion of us all. Nobody has everything correct. If we disagree we shouldn't label one another as false teachers. As we speak, both Barna and Pew have polls that show people have a very unfavorable opinion of 'Christians' especially 'evangelicals. One big reason - Christians can hardly agree on anything.
I'm glad that was your short answer.
Why do you believe people as you described were ever saved?