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Sir,

Nature Selection is a theory, not a law. Understand your point but this is a moral issue, not a scientific one. One can be attracted to the same sex and never have a sexual experience where it becomes a sin. I see my son as a good-looking young man and I see my daughters as very attractive. YET I do not desire to sleep with them or have a relationship with them as I do with their mother.

The word of God is very clear on that.
i used Science because the person i was discussing this with introduced Science.
So, i showed how his Science was incorrect by this one Theory.
But i agree whole heartedly with your assessment!
 
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I am going to say something to you. Maybe you did not know. Most of the time, our thoughts are created by our surroundings and from what we see and read. Also, that is the devil's playground in the carnal mind.

When the devil comes and hits you with thoughts that are completely ungodly, that doesn't define you. You have a choice to be a willful participant or rebuke it.

It is not a sin to be tempted unless you apply lust to it and are taken captive by the thought or suggestion.

God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation, he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it (1 Corinthians 10:13).


WE battle the temptation by Submitting to God resist the devil, and HE will flee from you.


James 4:7-8


7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

This is how we fight; we use the word of God as Jesus did when the devil comes to tempt us.

This is a daily battle, and we call on Jesus every time. You will be tempted in the way that brings the most effectiveness in stopping you from doing what God wants you to do. Until you have victory over it. If not, you will always suffer from it.
AMEN!
most of the time it's Worshiping God :)
 
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have you had any new word from God that the genetic information from the mind passed down to at birth will provide completely the information related to there sex that should have them behaving of the same sex at all times
you have again failed to provide any factual support for your claims.

as far as "behaving of the same sex at all times" ... within the scope of XY (male) ... there are males who are more "masculine" than others and males who are less "masculine" than others ... XY folks are still XY (male).

within the scope of XX (female) ... there are females who are more "female" than others and females who are less "female" than others ... XX folks are still XX (female).

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,




Fundaamental said:
Especially when genetic defects are happening at birth.
when it comes to conjoined twins (which I believe conjoined twins are identical for the reasons I explained previously), the "conjoining" occurs early in the pregnancy (during the embryonic stage – which is prior to birth):

Conjoined twins develop when an early embryo only partially separates to form two individuals.​
The embryonic stage lasts from about the third week of pregnancy until the eighth week of pregnancy.​




Fundaamental said:
And have a nice day 🙂

Au revoir
thanks ... you as well.

bonus joke for you:

Q: what is the fastest way to determine the sex of a chromosome?

A: pull down its genes!!!
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You feel that way because you are uneducated on the science behind gender, and you fear what you do not understand. Research and read. Knowledge is so critical in understanding these issues.
Which science would that be?
 

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)The rights of Trans and LGTBQ citizens are fully protected by existing law. And should be.
So the law that allows men to invade women's spaces you are okay with that?
 

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you have again failed to provide any factual support for your claims.

as far as "behaving of the same sex at all times" ... within the scope of XY (male) ... there are males who are more "masculine" than others and males who are less "masculine" than others ... XY folks are still XY (male).

within the scope of XX (female) ... there are females who are more "female" than others and females who are less "female" than others ... XX folks are still XX (female).

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,





when it comes to conjoined twins (which I believe conjoined twins are identical for the reasons I explained previously), the "conjoining" occurs early in the pregnancy (during the embryonic stage – which is prior to birth):

Conjoined twins develop when an early embryo only partially separates to form two individuals.​
The embryonic stage lasts from about the third week of pregnancy until the eighth week of pregnancy.​





thanks ... you as well.

bonus joke for you:

Q: what is the fastest way to determine the sex of a chromosome?

A: pull down its genes!!!
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what about people born with mixed intersex chromosomes ?



Studies confirms it effects 1 in 100 people.

In very rare case babies are born with a mix of female and male genitals.

In the not so rare case it effects them differently from having a mix of tissue cells of both male and female.

In other cases it's not identified until later in. life.

If such a person feals they are more female than male inside or vice versa they can be granted a sex change by a hospital.

Which means what ?

They can not at this moment in time prove mixed intersex chromosomes effect there sexual orientation or gender.

But obviously recognise how they feel inside is important.
 

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So the law that allows men to invade women's spaces you are okay with that?
What I think is that equal protections under the law does not mean unfair advantage or deliberate and willful exploitation.

Persons of good will and the wise should know the difference. Tragically, far too many abuses are happening.
 

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What I think is that equal protections under the law does not mean unfair advantage or deliberate and willful exploitation.

Persons of good will and the wise should know the difference. Tragically, far too many abuses are happening.
True, but the law is not viewed as giving unfair advantage, it is viewed as being non-discriminatory.
I am still not sure what "rights" you were referring to, human rights should be connected to the fact we are all human not based on our "identities."
 

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True, but the law is not viewed as giving unfair advantage, it is viewed as being non-discriminatory.
That is exactly what I said. Unfortunately, reverse discrimination is happening. Which is of course illegal.
 

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you have again failed to provide any factual support for your claims.

as far as "behaving of the same sex at all times" ... within the scope of XY (male) ... there are males who are more "masculine" than others and males who are less "masculine" than others ... XY folks are still XY (male).

within the scope of XX (female) ... there are females who are more "female" than others and females who are less "female" than others ... XX folks are still XX (female).

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,





when it comes to conjoined twins (which I believe conjoined twins are identical for the reasons I explained previously), the "conjoining" occurs early in the pregnancy (during the embryonic stage – which is prior to birth):

Conjoined twins develop when an early embryo only partially separates to form two individuals.​
The embryonic stage lasts from about the third week of pregnancy until the eighth week of pregnancy.​





thanks ... you as well.

bonus joke for you:

Q: what is the fastest way to determine the sex of a chromosome?

A: pull down its genes!!!
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then there's this.

  • Mixed genitals and sex organs: A person who is intersex may have ovarian and testicular tissue (ovotestes). For example, you may have genitals that are associated with being assigned male at birth (AMAB), like a penis. At the same time, you may have internal reproductive anatomy or hormone levels more closely associated with being assigned female at birth (AFAB), like estrogen.
What are sex, gender and gender identity?
Sex and gender are not the same. Key differences include:

  • Sex refers to the male or female label healthcare providers assigned you at birth based on your genitals. This label goes on birth certificates. Chromosomes, hormone levels and reproductive anatomy play roles in determining sex.
  • Gender is a social construct based on societal or cultural beliefs about how people should act based on their sex.
  • Gender identity refers to how your feel inside, regardless of the binary male or female label you were assigned at birth. It can influence how you choose to present yourself through your appearance and behaviors.
Reading from the above sex is only determined on what there genitals look like. And in extreme cases what appears to be the more dominant of mixed genitals on the out side but not the inside

Sexual orientation is only determined by social values.

So the argument is for people with mixed intersex chromosomes should have the right to choose there identity based on how they feal inside when they get older, as a lot of cases can't be fully determined until puberty when they show signs.

This is why the law protects theese people.
 

Fundaamental

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i used Science because the person i was discussing this with introduced Science.
So, i showed how his Science was incorrect by this one Theory.
But i agree whole heartedly with your assessment!
You use thoughts to suit your own agenda.

Let me put this in to perspective.

A Christians thoughts may not be the there own because a Satan can manipulate them

But a gay persons thoughts are there own because science says so.

What a load of crap.
 

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“He who is emasculated by crushing or mutilation shall not enter the assembly of the Lord.
Deuteronomy 23:1 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/deu.23.1.NKJV
Are all these sin still punishable by death to

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25)
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)
 
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Are all these sin still punishable by death to

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)

Now, when was this writeen and how much did we know about sexuality and epigenetics in those days? If the bible told you to walk down main street with your pants off would you do that too?
 

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Now, when was this writeen and how much did we know about sexuality and epigenetics in those days? If the bible told you to walk down main street with your pants off would you do that too?
a mentally insane person could.

Besides what your crappy point.

Was birth defects of chromosomes recognised then ?
 

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You feel that way because you are uneducated on the science behind gender, and you fear what you do not understand. Research and read. Knowledge is so critical in understanding these issues.
is not gender and sex the same thing, just two different words?
 

CS1

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two different things they are not the same.
Gemder is either a boy or a girl Sex is either male or female


Women, girl, Female = the same thing

men, boy, male = the same thing

Yet they are all different words to describe gender and sex. These are also two different words that are synonyms.

in context to men and women species
Gender: the male sex or the female sex,

Sex: either of the two main categories male and female