The Civil War begins

[ZNP]

California’s New Pro-Kidnapping Bill Is Pure Evil — And Here’s Why Republicans MUST Copy It in Every Red State

https://www.revolver.news/2022/10/s...-republicans-must-copy-it-in-every-red-state/

California Gov. Gavin Newsom this week signed legislation that will block state officials from enforcing other states’ laws that hinder access to transgender medical procedures and drugs.

The new law, sponsored by Sen. Scott Wiener, a San Francisco Democrat, passed the legislature in late August. It is a response to recent efforts from some red states to ban transgender procedures and drugs for minors, and effectively sets up California as a sanctuary for those seeking to escape those laws.

One such law in Arkansas that is facing a court challenge bans “gender transition procedures,” including surgeries or drugs, for children under 18. Texas, meanwhile, is in a legal fight after its Attorney General Ken Paxton declared “certain medical and chemical procedures – several of which have the effect of sterilization” to be child abuse.

Under the California law, state agencies and law enforcement organizations are now banned from cooperating with subpoenas and other out-of-state legal actions on these matters. It shields both children and parents seeking to obtain or provide those transgender services from legal consequences.
…

According to State Sen. Wiener, the law prohibits enforcement of other state laws that allow a child to be removed from parents or guardians who allow their child to receive “gender-affirming health care.” It would also bar California from complying with out-of-state subpoenas seeking information on families who seek that care in California, and put criminal arrest warrants against people who violate these out-of-state laws on the “lowest priority for law enforcement.”

California has signed a bill into law saying they will ignore laws in other states, and we can expect other states to follow suit, so we will soon have Red and Blue states passing laws to ignore the laws in other states. This law will result in there no longer being "the United States" of America. This is also the judgment declared by God that if the US would push to divide Israel and have a two state solution He also would divide the US.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Just curious . . . why does "civil war" only appear in the title of this thread? I was thinking I'd be reading something about that.

 

[ZNP]

Just curious . . . why does "civil war" only appear in the title of this thread? I was thinking I'd be reading something about that.

What happens when California says they will ignore the laws in Alabama, and Alabama says they will ignore the laws in California?

I think what we are seeing is the beginning of this country being torn apart, hence "civil war" between red and blue states. It began with insults "orange man bad" or "lock her up", it got worse with impeachment trials, weaponized FBI, weaponized DOJ, stolen elections, and the arguments have become so shrill no one can listen to the other one. People who listen to NPR cannot listen to Fox.

But what California is doing is taking this to the next level, they are institutionalizing and codifying a split in the union. I think when historians look back they will see this was the event when the country began to tear apart. Hence, the Civil war begins.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

What happens when California says they will ignore the laws in Alabama, and Alabama says they will ignore the laws in California?

I think what we are seeing is the beginning of this country being torn apart, hence "civil war" between red and blue states. It began with insults "orange man bad" or "lock her up", it got worse with impeachment trials, weaponized FBI, weaponized DOJ, stolen elections, and the arguments have become so shrill no one can listen to the other one. People who listen to NPR cannot listen to Fox.

But what California is doing is taking this to the next level, they are institutionalizing and codifying a split in the union. I think when historians look back they will see this was the event when the country began to tear apart. Hence, the Civil war begins.

I hear you. I'm taking the more optimistic approach. I do believe, more and more, that the Right-wing is "coming around." Most people can see the truth. It is reported that CNN has lost 90% of its viewers, meaning that people just aren't buying into the crap that the media as well as Democratic Party are throwing at us.

Mid-Terms are just around the corner. The stock market will likely go back up, and things will slowly start to change course.

 

[ZNP]

I am watching the various videos on AI and picked up a few things from Elon Musk's warnings.

1. In 2011 Watson won jeopardy, that would be the point where a neural network computer is clearly quantifiably smarter than the smartest humans. At this point it may not have been more creative, but you could train a computer to do any one skill better than 98% of humans. They could be better CPA's, or better lawyers, or better doctors, etc.

2. In 2015 we had a computer train itself to be the single best Go champion in the world and that involved great creativity. That should have been terrifying to humanity. A computer in a matter of months mastered one of the single most challenging tests of creativity and insight.

So seven years ago computers were able to out perform us on all of our white collar skills, robots can outperform us on all our manual skills, and they had learned how to teach themselves to master creative and inventive skills. Without a doubt computers were operating at a level of the top 0.1% of humans. Now imagine they are improving and growing in knowledge, in skill and in creativity!

3. Musk warned that if this power were in the hand of a few it would turn them into tyrants that rule the world. So let's imagine that Russia and China and Europe and the US do have AI and they tell it they want to rule the world. What would the strategy be?

a. Well they might pick up on the fact that food, energy and money are the three key pressure points to control people, countries and civilizations. They may take action to reduce the supply of food to better control people. You could do that by cutting off the supply of fertilizer and of natural gas. Shut down pipelines, destroy pipelines, and start wars to accomplish that goal. Also try to cripple supply chain by cutting off key items like additives required in diesel fuel. Create electricity shortages to bring trains to a standstill. Also you would want a single digital currency for the entire world. That would be great power to the one who controlled that.

b. Musk gave an example that if you told the AI to maximize the profit of your hedge fund it might decide to short consumer stocks, go long on weapons manufacturers and then start a war. So during a worldwide pandemic most people would go broke, but those who were hooked up to the AI would have made the proper moves and would see their income double during a pandemic. You would see great volatility in the markets causing many to go bankrupt, but for the AI that was manipulating the market they could cause your fund to grow exponentially. So when we see crazy stuff happening in the world and 90% going broke, know that 1% or even 0.1% are getting very rich very quick. This is how you take power of the world, you don't simply increase your power, you decrease the power of everyone else around you.

So then what is happening in the US may seem nuts and every day it gets nuttier, but this could easily be a strategy to take over the world and the AI may have decided the biggest hinderance to one world government by a single tyrant in the US, so then destroy the US.

 

[ZNP]

I hear you. I'm taking the more optimistic approach. I do believe, more and more, that the Right-wing is "coming around." Most people can see the truth. It is reported that CNN has lost 90% of its viewers, meaning that people just aren't buying into the crap that the media as well as Democratic Party are throwing at us.

Mid-Terms are just around the corner. The stock market will likely go back up, and things will slowly start to change course.

I don't think you are seeing the whole picture.

Are we going to slowly come around that Biden stole the election and is guilty of treason? Why would those who would hang for what they did allow that?

Do you really think that the people making all these decisions are truly idiots and if we get smart people in charge we can fix this? Even young brunette TV anchors know that when you print a lot of money it will cause inflation. You don't have to be a great mind to know that Russia is not going to sit by while Ukraine becomes a member of NATO, Opening the border was a scam, Opening the prison was a scam, these are not moves by idiots, but rather part of a bigger strategy to take over the country. If these ones are not idiots then they know these are short term measures that will soon become apparent to all. I would argue that the destruction of CNN and MSM was one of their goals. This is how you destroy the influence of the US worldwide. I see all these measures like one of these stages to a rocket that helps us escape the earth's gravity but then falls away. They can't possibly sit by idly while we have hearings, catch every criminal, prosecute them and then hang them. So then I'd argue they have set us up for the attack. Divide and conquer. Imagine the US is consumed with internal strife with the Red and Blue states fighting each other viciously and so cannot focus on an external attack. Everything going on in this country is like sand being thrown in your eye and specifically designed to divide and conquer. White vs everyone else. Dems vs MAGA vs RINOs. Some of the outrageous things happening seem to have no other purpose than to make us totally angry and disgusted and therefore distracted.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But what California is doing is taking this to the next level, they are institutionalizing and codifying a split in the union.

California was already working on secession from the United States as far back as 2016. Since they love their radical Communist/Marxist/Anarchist/Lawless governments, they should be encouraged to leave.
Calexit: The Secession of California
What Is Calexit: The Secession of California?
"Calexit" refers to the secession of California from the United States, after which it would become an independent country. The word is a portmanteau meaning "California exit," which is based on similar coinages such as Grexit and Brexit. The term came to the foreground in the wake of Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 U.S. presidential election—Hillary Clinton won the state of California with 61% of the vote—though it is not the state's first independence movement.1


A Reuters/Ipsos poll published in January 2017 showed 32% of Californians supporting Calexit, up from 20% in 2014.2 After that poll was published, a different Berkeley IGS Poll released in March 2017 found Californians opposed a "Calexit" by more than 2-to-1.3

Calexit is being spearheaded by Yes California, an independence campaign based on the state paying more in taxes than it receives for spending from the federal government and cultural differences.4 The campaign planned to place an initiative on the 2019 state ballot, which ultimately failed.56 Once again, on Sept. 10, 2020, a new effort to collect petition signatures for California's secession was once again renewed.7

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• "Calexit" refers to the secession of California from the United States, after which it would become an independent country.
• The term came to the foreground in the wake of Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
• "Calexit" is spearheaded by an organization called Yes California, which aimed to put an initiative on the 2019 state ballot, but failed. As of Sept. 2020, Yes California got approval again to collect petition signatures.
• Present-day arguments for California sovereignty center on the state's large population and economic power, which make California the world's fifth-largest economy if it were an independent country.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/calexit.asp

 

[EDENgate]

It is California after all. Keeping with their strange patterns of governance.

I have a feeling Gov. Newsome has serious bad skeletons in his closet. Enough to make for his own hootinanny I expect.

 

[ZNP]

California was already working on secession from the United States as far back as 2016. Since they love their radical Communist/Marxist/Anarchist/Lawless governments, they should be encouraged to leave.
Calexit: The Secession of California
What Is Calexit: The Secession of California?
"Calexit" refers to the secession of California from the United States, after which it would become an independent country. The word is a portmanteau meaning "California exit," which is based on similar coinages such as Grexit and Brexit. The term came to the foreground in the wake of Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 U.S. presidential election—Hillary Clinton won the state of California with 61% of the vote—though it is not the state's first independence movement.1


A Reuters/Ipsos poll published in January 2017 showed 32% of Californians supporting Calexit, up from 20% in 2014.2 After that poll was published, a different Berkeley IGS Poll released in March 2017 found Californians opposed a "Calexit" by more than 2-to-1.3

Calexit is being spearheaded by Yes California, an independence campaign based on the state paying more in taxes than it receives for spending from the federal government and cultural differences.4 The campaign planned to place an initiative on the 2019 state ballot, which ultimately failed.56 Once again, on Sept. 10, 2020, a new effort to collect petition signatures for California's secession was once again renewed.7

KEY TAKEAWAYS

• "Calexit" refers to the secession of California from the United States, after which it would become an independent country.
• The term came to the foreground in the wake of Donald Trump's victory in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
• "Calexit" is spearheaded by an organization called Yes California, which aimed to put an initiative on the 2019 state ballot, but failed. As of Sept. 2020, Yes California got approval again to collect petition signatures.
• Present-day arguments for California sovereignty center on the state's large population and economic power, which make California the world's fifth-largest economy if it were an independent country.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/calexit.asp

Calexit -- a big joke

20+ years ago California was the richest state in the US. I suppose that would be seen as a serious threat to the US to lose California. Today by one metric California is the poorest state in the union (they have the highest percentage of residents living below poverty than any other state, however it is more expensive to live in California than Mississippi which is one reason for this).

If the US lost California we would get rid of the biggest burden to our economy. Also, I suspect that would help make Social Security and Medicare solvent. So go ahead California, adios.

 

[Dude653]

Just curious . . . why does "civil war" only appear in the title of this thread? I was thinking I'd be reading something about that.

Yeah I don't think a civil war is going to happen over this

 

[ZNP]

The country continues to tear in half

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ply-cdc-mandates-force-vaccinate-kids-school/

Safe States for Children: Here’s UPDATED List of Republican Governors Who Won’t Comply with CDC Mandates to Force COVID-19 Vaccination on Kids for School

 

[mailmandan]

What happens when California says they will ignore the laws in Alabama, and Alabama says they will ignore the laws in California?

I think what we are seeing is the beginning of this country being torn apart, hence "civil war" between red and blue states. It began with insults "orange man bad" or "lock her up", it got worse with impeachment trials, weaponized FBI, weaponized DOJ, stolen elections, and the arguments have become so shrill no one can listen to the other one. People who listen to NPR cannot listen to Fox.

But what California is doing is taking this to the next level, they are institutionalizing and codifying a split in the union. I think when historians look back they will see this was the event when the country began to tear apart. Hence, the Civil war begins.

If things don't turn around soon then I believe that civil war will no longer be a question of "if" in America, but WHEN.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The country continues to tear in half

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ply-cdc-mandates-force-vaccinate-kids-school/

Safe States for Children: Here’s UPDATED List of Republican Governors Who Won’t Comply with CDC Mandates to Force COVID-19 Vaccination on Kids for School

I'd be wary of such sites as it is littered with advertisements. Is the site's agenda the Truth or money?

 

[ZNP]

If things don't turn around soon then I believe that civil war will no longer be a question of "if" in America, but WHEN.

Well I think "when" must refer to Nov 8. If all these people saying they will begin real hearings if they are elected are elected, then that will be the time for the Democrats last stand.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Well I think "when" must refer to Nov 8. If all these people saying they will begin real hearings if they are elected are elected, then that will be the time for the Democrats last stand.

That's a very good point.

 

[ZNP]

What we are seeing is a very clear split.

States are refusing to recognize the laws of other states and Governors are refusing to heed the advice of the federal government. Not only so but the federal government is racking up massive debts that they pile onto their political opponents in order to help their political allies.

Many of these actions have targeted and hurt the economy of individual states.

 

[ZNP]

The country continues to tear in half

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ply-cdc-mandates-force-vaccinate-kids-school/

Safe States for Children: Here’s UPDATED List of Republican Governors Who Won’t Comply with CDC Mandates to Force COVID-19 Vaccination on Kids for School

I find it interesting that this tear in the nation is coming from the top.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Here is the problem, for thousands of years the world was ruled by tyrants, kings, Pharaohs, Emperors, Dictators, etc. Then we bring in democracies like the US and others to patch the holes but you can't do that.

Luke 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.

All of the Democracies, everyone moves step by step towards socialism which is simply a way to give more and more power to the government and take more and more power out of the hands of the people.

For example, consider Social Security. Every month they take money out of everyone's pocket to pay for a retirement account in the future. Who controls the account? It used to be your money but now it is the central government in control and you simply have to trust them. But ask yourself, how could Social Security be insolvent, you gave money every month, where is the money you gave? How come that hasn't grown similar to the growth of the US economy? The answer is simple, they stole it.

So now we have two very distinct camps that do not agree with each other. The camps are not "Democrats and Republicans" that is a deceit. The two camps are nationalists and globalists. But wait, why are Christians "nationalists"? Because we know that if you have one world government which is what the globalists want, they will outlaw Evangelical Christians. With Chrislam they have already figured out how to unify everyone else.

What is the green new deal? At its most basic level it says to willingly submit yourself to the tyrants. Do you realize they have outlawed the use of wood stoves unless you have purchased a new, top of the line wood stove that reduces emissions and use that properly? Everyone will have to comply with this new totalitarian regime, and that is what the prophecy about the mark of the beast says. That is what we have gotten a foretaste of with this vaccine and the various mandates.

 

[Moses_Young]

California’s New Pro-Kidnapping Bill Is Pure Evil — And Here’s Why Republicans MUST Copy It in Every Red State

https://www.revolver.news/2022/10/s...-republicans-must-copy-it-in-every-red-state/

California Gov. Gavin Newsom this week signed legislation that will block state officials from enforcing other states’ laws that hinder access to transgender medical procedures and drugs.

The new law, sponsored by Sen. Scott Wiener, a San Francisco Democrat, passed the legislature in late August. It is a response to recent efforts from some red states to ban transgender procedures and drugs for minors, and effectively sets up California as a sanctuary for those seeking to escape those laws.

One such law in Arkansas that is facing a court challenge bans “gender transition procedures,” including surgeries or drugs, for children under 18. Texas, meanwhile, is in a legal fight after its Attorney General Ken Paxton declared “certain medical and chemical procedures – several of which have the effect of sterilization” to be child abuse.

Under the California law, state agencies and law enforcement organizations are now banned from cooperating with subpoenas and other out-of-state legal actions on these matters. It shields both children and parents seeking to obtain or provide those transgender services from legal consequences.
…

According to State Sen. Wiener, the law prohibits enforcement of other state laws that allow a child to be removed from parents or guardians who allow their child to receive “gender-affirming health care.” It would also bar California from complying with out-of-state subpoenas seeking information on families who seek that care in California, and put criminal arrest warrants against people who violate these out-of-state laws on the “lowest priority for law enforcement.”

California has signed a bill into law saying they will ignore laws in other states, and we can expect other states to follow suit, so we will soon have Red and Blue states passing laws to ignore the laws in other states. This law will result in there no longer being "the United States" of America. This is also the judgment declared by God that if the US would push to divide Israel and have a two state solution He also would divide the US.

If LetsGo Brandon annuls the midterm results and locks up the rightful president, I think that might help spark a civil war.

 

[Dude653]

If LetsGo Brandon annuls the midterm results and locks up the rightful president, I think that might help spark a civil war.

Trump lost. It's time to come back to reality

 

[ZNP]

Trump lost. It's time to come back to reality

OK, reality is that we were told it is too expensive to do a thorough audit, yet when Ukraine had a border crisis Biden was able to get him $50 billion instantly and I now hear the total sent to Ukraine is approaching $100 billion.

The most recent Rasmussen poll has 52% of Americans thinking the 2020 election was effected by fraud. Therefore you have to do an audit because democracy can only work if people trust the process.

The reality is if this had been a few poor losers like Stacy Abrams this whole thing would have dissipated until they would be afraid to even admit they were election deniers, like Stacy Abrams. Instead it has grown from 10% of Americans to 52% of Americans.

The reality is that Soros is pumping $1.5 million into an Attorney Generals race in Arizona, when these races usually spend about 100k. Why the panic over a candidate who promises to enforce the law concerning elections?

The reality is that we are 15 days away from election day and Biden has only campaigned for one candidate that I saw, and as a result Fetterman went from a 2 pt lead to being down by 4.5 points. This is supposed to be the same guy who got 11 million more votes than Obama.

The reality is the US economy is in a nose dive. We are at war with Russia and it is threatening to go nuclear at any moment and recent estimates are that since Biden has been president 8 million illegal aliens have crossed our southern border between those what have been let in and the got aways. Kamala Harris lied to us when she said she would put a stop to human rights abuses at the border on day 1.

The reality is that crime is off the hook and progressive DA's have made things much worse than they might otherwise be. Yet the Democrats now want to tell us they never supported any of this. They are lying.

The reality is they lied to us when they told us the vaccine was safe and effective. We now know Pfizer had no evidence it was effective, and there is absolutely no doubt that the vaccine comes with significant potential harm. We also know they lied about HCQ and Ivermectin because if they admitted there were effective treatments it would have been illegal to mandate the vaccine.

We also know that all those tech giants that supported Biden made a tremendous amount of money during the Pandemic while most people and most businesses lost money.

We also know that they lied about the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation.

People want full audits of the election in every state. That means you go through the registered voters and remove all those who have died or moved out of state.

It means we get a thorough audit of the software on these voting machines or else we get rid of them.

It means if you are going to have drop boxes for votes that it must be done according to the law, and those drop boxes need to have cameras on them 24 hours a day live streamed. Everyone should have access to that because one of the complaints was that after an election there is so little time people don't want to have to adjudicate these issues then.