TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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what caused Israel’s desolation ? Look how it relates to messiah Bieng cut off and how the desolation lasts until the end
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah ( Jesus crucified accused by isreal) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( rome did this in 67-70 ads siege ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
Daniel 9:26 KJV
see there how it shows the messiah being Cut off then the city and sanctuary is destroyed and it’s left desolate ? Consider this parable by our lord to them
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, ( israel ) and went into a far country:
and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( the early prophets calling them to repentance )
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( the latter messianic prophets ) and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( Jesus messiah ) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
(theres more referring to prophecy about the cornerstone you might want to read but the point is )
……Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-39, 43 KJV
Lastly listen to what Jesus was saying
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee;
how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate:
and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
Luke 13:34-35 KJV
And here he foretold what would happen a few years later when Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed leaving then desolate meaning they couldn’t worship by thier covenant any longer it was centered around the temple in Jerusalem and animal sacrifice and Moses words of the covenant
“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:1-2, 4, 7-14 KJV
The gospel requires no temple worship is the point we don’t have to go to Jerusalem we can worship God because he’s with us itnis this now thanks tonjesus
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21, 23-24
there doesn’t need to be a temple or tabernacle Jesus is where God dwells and Christ is in us the hope of glory
The temple was for all of Moses ordinances that he taught the levites according to the pattern shown him on sinia when he entered the cloud fourty days
the altars were for animal sacrifice many daily and yearly and monthly doves and bulls and goats and lambs ect
The ark with the mercy seat when the priest would sprinkle the bulls blood for his own sins then again for the people seven times ect that’s a pattern of what’s in heaven what came forth in the gospel
Jesus sacrifice is the reality animal sacrifice was just a pattern beforehand so they would later understand when he came
The mercy seat was just a pattern of Gods throne in heaven where his glory resides Jesus entered e real tabernacle we no longer need the pattern is all I’m saying but someone may rebuild another tabernacle at some point right now for the past few hundred years Muslim mosque sits atop the temple mound that declares “ god has no son “ seems an abomination in my mind but not sure just my own thoughts friend thanks for the discussion
I’d say the light has dawned god doesn’t care about a building he cares about us where his spirit resides
This happened about two Ty or thirty yeees after Jesus said this
“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20, 22, 24 KJV
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah ( Jesus crucified accused by isreal) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( rome did this in 67-70 ads siege ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
Daniel 9:26 KJV
see there how it shows the messiah being Cut off then the city and sanctuary is destroyed and it’s left desolate ? Consider this parable by our lord to them
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, ( israel ) and went into a far country:
and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( the early prophets calling them to repentance )
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( the latter messianic prophets ) and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( Jesus messiah ) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
(theres more referring to prophecy about the cornerstone you might want to read but the point is )
……Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-39, 43 KJV
Lastly listen to what Jesus was saying
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee;
how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate:
and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
Luke 13:34-35 KJV
And here he foretold what would happen a few years later when Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed leaving then desolate meaning they couldn’t worship by thier covenant any longer it was centered around the temple in Jerusalem and animal sacrifice and Moses words of the covenant
“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:1-2, 4, 7-14 KJV
The gospel requires no temple worship is the point we don’t have to go to Jerusalem we can worship God because he’s with us itnis this now thanks tonjesus
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21, 23-24
there doesn’t need to be a temple or tabernacle Jesus is where God dwells and Christ is in us the hope of glory
The temple was for all of Moses ordinances that he taught the levites according to the pattern shown him on sinia when he entered the cloud fourty days
the altars were for animal sacrifice many daily and yearly and monthly doves and bulls and goats and lambs ect
The ark with the mercy seat when the priest would sprinkle the bulls blood for his own sins then again for the people seven times ect that’s a pattern of what’s in heaven what came forth in the gospel
Jesus sacrifice is the reality animal sacrifice was just a pattern beforehand so they would later understand when he came
The mercy seat was just a pattern of Gods throne in heaven where his glory resides Jesus entered e real tabernacle we no longer need the pattern is all I’m saying but someone may rebuild another tabernacle at some point right now for the past few hundred years Muslim mosque sits atop the temple mound that declares “ god has no son “ seems an abomination in my mind but not sure just my own thoughts friend thanks for the discussion
I’d say the light has dawned god doesn’t care about a building he cares about us where his spirit resides
This happened about two Ty or thirty yeees after Jesus said this
“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20, 22, 24 KJV
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I have a question for those who believe there will be a new temple?
Why would God accept offering for sin in this temple?
Seems to me that would be blasphemy because it would deny what Jesus did on the cross.
It would justify what the Jews continued to do after Jesus died even though God allowed the temple to be destroyed in 70AD because of this sin.
You should also understand that the word temple does not always refer to a building.
Why would God accept offering for sin in this temple?
Seems to me that would be blasphemy because it would deny what Jesus did on the cross.
It would justify what the Jews continued to do after Jesus died even though God allowed the temple to be destroyed in 70AD because of this sin.
You should also understand that the word temple does not always refer to a building.
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What if the temple of Isis were placed on the ruins of the temple mount, would God consider it an abomination? Oh wait, the temple of ISIS is there... Ok, I'll think of another ....How about if the temple of Satan was set up there? Gah, I can't think of a good enough example of what might be considered an abomination... 
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What if the temple of Isis were placed on the ruins of the temple mount, would God consider it an abomination? Oh wait, the temple of ISIS is there... Ok, I'll think of another ....How about if the temple of Satan was set up there? Gah, I can't think of a good enough example of what might be considered an abomination...
an abomination which causes desolation is placed inside an existing holy place.. rendering it unclean
Yes. It appears at mid-trib...
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Context
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Context
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
No The temple was destroyed. Thats different
The jews would consider it a holy place. and jesus said when they see the abomination of desolation standing in that place. (note that this was not even possible in 70 AD, it was not possible until really the past decade, where cameras can show the world things by satellite real time) That is their warning and ours that the great tribulation is here
The jews would consider it a holy place. and jesus said when they see the abomination of desolation standing in that place. (note that this was not even possible in 70 AD, it was not possible until really the past decade, where cameras can show the world things by satellite real time) That is their warning and ours that the great tribulation is here
The lexicon of Daniel 9:27 says, "on the wing of abominations [will come] one who makes desolate" and Strong's says, "on the wings [of the temple] [will come] the abomination that causes desolation."
I need to research the number of occurrences of the mention of the 'holy place' since it is included within the 235 occurrences of "holy," but desolation is shown to only occur three times including speaking of the desolation of Jerusalem, which has happened since the writing of Daniel and the NT references to Daniel, and similarly, "abomination" is shown as occurring six times including that relating to the Babylon the Great, the mother of the abominations of the earth.
The abominations that were present throughout time and continue up to now.
I need to research the number of occurrences of the mention of the 'holy place' since it is included within the 235 occurrences of "holy," but desolation is shown to only occur three times including speaking of the desolation of Jerusalem, which has happened since the writing of Daniel and the NT references to Daniel, and similarly, "abomination" is shown as occurring six times including that relating to the Babylon the Great, the mother of the abominations of the earth.
The abominations that were present throughout time and continue up to now.
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