So far you are the only one who has said these things.
But what I have seen is that you have come out and blamed the Holocaust on God.
God cannot sin, and He cannot lie. What you have said is blasphemy.
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But what I have seen is that you have come out and blamed the Holocaust on God.
God cannot sin, and He cannot lie. What you have said is blasphemy.
Why do you call honest discussion "Nazi rhetoric"?
There are no Nazis here.
Truth does not need the protection of censorship, only lies.
znp. said the Jews deserved the Holocaust
and then on a couple of us challenged him on it, he tried to walk it back and was like, I'm sorry if it sounded like I said the Jews deserved the holocaust but now let me explain why the jews did indeed deserve the Holocaust
trying to launder bigotry behind "God's Kingdom" or whatever
and then I've seen at least a couple others calling the Jews satanic Christ Killers etc.
No you said that. I did not say that.
I said I was sorry if you misunderstood. Anyone who has read everything I have posted on this thread could not possibly misunderstand unless they didn't want to understand. However, I realized that the one post you were offended by could be misunderstood and that I should have been more careful in that post to avoid that. I did not walk anything back, I simply gave much more clarification to what I said so that it could not be twisted the way you keep attempting to twist it.
However, in your posts you made it very clear you consider the Holocaust to be God's doing. That is blasphemous.
But let me repeat in detail what I believe about the holocaust so that it is very clear to all.
1. I believe that the Holocaust was prophesied in the Bible to take place prior to the Jews returning to Israel. There are several prophecies you can look at but one in particular in Ezekiel where God asks Ezekiel to speak to the dry bones and he sees that they can live.
I have asked Dude repeatedly, he tries to avoid answering but my understanding is that He does not believe there is anything prophesied in the Bible concering the Holocaust.
2. I believe that the Holocaust was the pivotal event that resulted in the UN voting for the Jews to be given statehood in Israel.
Again, Dude will not answer if he agrees with that and I believe it is because it would prove too many things in the Bible are true that he does not want to admit are true.
3. I believe that Jesus was an innocent person who had not committed any sin and yet was crucified because of the jealousy of the Jewish religious leaders. That is what the Bible says and I believe the Bible.
Dude attempts to twist that into all kinds of things regarding Nazis, and Hitler but the truth is the truth.
4. I also believe that the Bible tells us "as we have done it will be done unto us". Again, a principle in the Bible taught by Jesus. I say that is "righteous judgment".
This has enraged Dude and he tries to twist this every way he can. For example he says I said that "the Jews deserved it". No, not what I said. If Jesus did not deserve to be crucified, then if the holocaust were to kill people who deserved it then it would not be "as you have done it will be done unto you". He also twisted this saying I said "it was the righteous judgment of God". No, God did not do this. You reap what you sow, it wasn't God or Jesus who sowed this.
5. He and others then interpreted what I said to mean that I was blaming the people who died in the Holocaust for killing Jesus. Again, that is not true. If I was blaming them for having killed Jesus then they would not be innocent. When I say "as you have done it will be done unto you" in reference to crucifying an innocent man, it would only apply if the victim is innocent.
Instead, Jesus told the religious leaders they had committed the unforgivable sin when they officially rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah because it is only His blood that can forgive sins. If you reject Him as the Messiah then you cannot be forgiven. This is the issue the Jews have and what the Holocaust did was atone for the sin. It didn't result in forgiveness, it resulted in empathy. They can now identify with someone who was murdered unjustly. This will help them to see that the religious leaders who had Jesus crucified and who they have listened to these last two thousand years were one with the Prince of darkness and not one with God. In the end many Jews will see that Jesus is the Messiah and then they will repent and see the one whom they pierced.
6. But then Dude in two posts made it clear that he blames God for the Holocaust. God cannot sin and God cannot lie. Blaming God for a heinous crime is blasphemy.
1. I believe that the Holocaust was prophesied in the Bible to take place prior to the Jews returning to Israel. There are several prophecies you can look at but one in particular in Ezekiel where God asks Ezekiel to speak to the dry bones and he sees that they can live.
I have asked Dude repeatedly, he tries to avoid answering but my understanding is that He does not believe there is anything prophesied in the Bible concering the Holocaust.
2. I believe that the Holocaust was the pivotal event that resulted in the UN voting for the Jews to be given statehood in Israel.
Again, Dude will not answer if he agrees with that and I believe it is because it would prove too many things in the Bible are true that he does not want to admit are true.
3. I believe that Jesus was an innocent person who had not committed any sin and yet was crucified because of the jealousy of the Jewish religious leaders. That is what the Bible says and I believe the Bible.
Dude attempts to twist that into all kinds of things regarding Nazis, and Hitler but the truth is the truth.
4. I also believe that the Bible tells us "as we have done it will be done unto us". Again, a principle in the Bible taught by Jesus. I say that is "righteous judgment".
This has enraged Dude and he tries to twist this every way he can. For example he says I said that "the Jews deserved it". No, not what I said. If Jesus did not deserve to be crucified, then if the holocaust were to kill people who deserved it then it would not be "as you have done it will be done unto you". He also twisted this saying I said "it was the righteous judgment of God". No, God did not do this. You reap what you sow, it wasn't God or Jesus who sowed this.
5. He and others then interpreted what I said to mean that I was blaming the people who died in the Holocaust for killing Jesus. Again, that is not true. If I was blaming them for having killed Jesus then they would not be innocent. When I say "as you have done it will be done unto you" in reference to crucifying an innocent man, it would only apply if the victim is innocent.
Instead, Jesus told the religious leaders they had committed the unforgivable sin when they officially rejected Jesus Christ as the Messiah because it is only His blood that can forgive sins. If you reject Him as the Messiah then you cannot be forgiven. This is the issue the Jews have and what the Holocaust did was atone for the sin. It didn't result in forgiveness, it resulted in empathy. They can now identify with someone who was murdered unjustly. This will help them to see that the religious leaders who had Jesus crucified and who they have listened to these last two thousand years were one with the Prince of darkness and not one with God. In the end many Jews will see that Jesus is the Messiah and then they will repent and see the one whom they pierced.
6. But then Dude in two posts made it clear that he blames God for the Holocaust. God cannot sin and God cannot lie. Blaming God for a heinous crime is blasphemy.
apparently this forum doesn't let you send screenshots through private message. I intend to reach out to robo op I have a screenshot where znp said the Jews deserved the holocaust.
since this type of hate speech almost certainly violates godaddy's terms of service, it might be in his best interest to look into it
since this type of hate speech almost certainly violates godaddy's terms of service, it might be in his best interest to look into it
“also, blaming the Jews for crucifying Jesus makes zero sense as according to the story, the god of the Bible used the Jewish Pharisees to manipulate Pontius Pilate into crucifying jesus.
so God used them to make it happen but it's still their fault? make it make sense…..” Post #107 by @Dude653
In Post #114
I replied to this and asked “Whoa! Are you blaming God for the crucifixion?”
He has not responded to my question. I gave him a chance to clarify this. He hasn't.
so God used them to make it happen but it's still their fault? make it make sense…..” Post #107 by @Dude653
In Post #114
I replied to this and asked “Whoa! Are you blaming God for the crucifixion?”
He has not responded to my question. I gave him a chance to clarify this. He hasn't.
The judge is not the one who committed the crime.
God made the law, according to the law you reap what you sow. With what measure you measure it will be measured to you. As you have done it will be done to you. According to God that is righteous judgment, the purpose is to cause you to repent.
Jesus told the Jewish leaders they had committed the unforgivable sin. This was a response to them declaring that Jesus was not the Messiah but was casting out demons by the prince of the demons. Apart from Jesus Christs blood there is no forgiveness, so if you reject Jesus as the Messiah the blasphemy cannot be forgiven. The only way this can be forgiven is if you repent, confess your sins, and take Jesus Christ's blood to wash away your sins.
God does not view Israel the same way He views the nations. They have a covenant with Him. For someone in India to not know that Jesus is the Messiah is different from the Religious leaders declaring in an official ruling that Jesus is not the Messiah. This is the basis for Jews for the last two thousand years to reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
How will God cause them to repent?
1. He will do amazing signs and wonders that were prophesied in the scripture, like Ezekiel's prophecy of the dry bones walking out of the graves and the prophecy about a nation being born in one day.
2. He has allowed the Holocaust to be an atoning sacrifice. When the Jews forsook the Lord Jesus Christ, their Messiah they also gave up His protection and covering from attacks from Satan. They left Him, not the other way around. They crucified Him calling Him a blasphemer and a criminal. It wasn't Jesus or God that left them, they left God just like Jesus said in his parable of the vineyard and the evil tenants.
3. What the Jews learned from the Holocaust is that they will not survive if they continue to try and live like the Gentiles. Prior to WW2 they could have returned to Israel but they didn't want to, they had prosperous lives in Europe and elsewhere. After WW2 98% of the world's Jews live in either Israel or the USA because they know that anywhere else they could be killed again like they were in Germany by Hitler. That is a small baby step for them to realize they need the Lord Jesus.
4. Since then they have turned Israel into one of the biggest success stories since WW2. But regardless of how successful they are they are causing their neighbors to be jealous and envious and it will get worse and worse until there is really no way for them to survive without Jesus Christ as their Lord.
This is righteous judgment because they have a covenant with God. If you are some random Gentile living in Timbuktu this is not your case. If you don't have a covenant with God then fine, this doesn't apply to you. But if you want to live in Israel, the land that God gave to Abraham's descendants as a result of the covenant, then you need to abide by the covenant.
I will (more than likely) respond to this mess later. Unfortunately, all too many people on the internet choose to "interpret" what people have said rather than look at exactly what they have said.
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