Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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Evmur said:
The words of the prophet will come to pass
Nation will not lift up sword against nation nor shall they learn war anymore
and they shall say come let us go up to the mountain of the house of the Lord, the God of Jacob, that He may teach us His ways and we may walk in His paths.

and it shall come to pass that all who refuse to come will be destroyed.
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You avoided the direct question, once again

Do you believe earthly Jews will be a priesthood, in a future temple in Jerusalem during your claim of a Millennium on this earth?
 
OldSage said:
lol
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A Lol from the peanut gallery :)

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
Evmur said:
true, Herzl was a political zionist
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ChristianZionism.org

A place to discover...
What is Christian Zionism?

Christian Zionism merges theology and politics. It teaches that the secular State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Christian Zionism believes that this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy began when European Jews started moving to Palestine in the 1800s, and continued as Israel became a nation in 1948.

Christian Zionists believe that modern Israel is a continuation of Biblical Israel and therefore should enjoy special privileges. They declare that it is the responsibility of Christians to support the State of Israel and its policies.

An invitation for you
We invite you to explore the basis for Christian Zionism and to find answers to some perplexing questions.

For example, is contemporary Israel the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

Are the Jewish people God’s chosen people today?

Has God promised the land of Palestine exclusively to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance?

How should Christians view the Palestinians and especially the Palestinian church?
 
Truth7t7 said:
A Lol from the peanut gallery:)

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

Uh .... and nations

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Truth7t7 said:
A Lol from the peanut gallery:)

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Appreciate that. I won some free peanuts last week and I must remember to use my token.
I don't know anything about the Millennial Kingdom.
All I know is that the landlord turfed out his tenants yesterday,
he was furious with them, but his anger has abated and tomorrow they can come back.
 
Truth7t7 said:
ChristianZionism.org

A place to discover...
What is Christian Zionism?
Christian Zionism merges theology and politics. It teaches that the secular State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Christian Zionism believes that this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy began when European Jews started moving to Palestine in the 1800s, and continued as Israel became a nation in 1948. Christian Zionists believe that modern Israel is a continuation of Biblical Israel and therefore should enjoy special privileges. They declare that it is the responsibility of Christians to support the State of Israel and its policies.

An invitation for you
We invite you to explore the basis for Christian Zionism and to find answers to some perplexing questions. For example, is contemporary Israel the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy? Are the Jewish people God’s chosen people today? Has God promised the land of Palestine exclusively to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance? How should Christians view the Palestinians and especially the Palestinian church?
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There is also the "white supremacist" movement in the US which claims a bible foundation.
 
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Evmur said:
There is also the "white supremacist" movement in the US which claims a bible foundation.
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ChristianZionism.org

A place to discover...
What is Christian Zionism?

Christian Zionism merges theology and politics. It teaches that the secular State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Christian Zionism believes that this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy began when European Jews started moving to Palestine in the 1800s, and continued as Israel became a nation in 1948.

Christian Zionists believe that modern Israel is a continuation of Biblical Israel and therefore should enjoy special privileges. They declare that it is the responsibility of Christians to support the State of Israel and its policies.

An invitation for you
We invite you to explore the basis for Christian Zionism and to find answers to some perplexing questions.

For example, is contemporary Israel the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

Are the Jewish people God’s chosen people today?

Has God promised the land of Palestine exclusively to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance?

How should Christians view the Palestinians and especially the Palestinian church?
 
Truth7t7 said:
ChristianZionism.org

A place to discover...
What is Christian Zionism?

Christian Zionism merges theology and politics. It teaches that the secular State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

Christian Zionism believes that this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy began when European Jews started moving to Palestine in the 1800s, and continued as Israel became a nation in 1948.

Christian Zionists believe that modern Israel is a continuation of Biblical Israel and therefore should enjoy special privileges. They declare that it is the responsibility of Christians to support the State of Israel and its policies.

An invitation for you
We invite you to explore the basis for Christian Zionism and to find answers to some perplexing questions.

For example, is contemporary Israel the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

Are the Jewish people God’s chosen people today?

Has God promised the land of Palestine exclusively to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance?

How should Christians view the Palestinians and especially the Palestinian church?
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I invite you to read the prophets read what God's covenant with Israel is, what promises were made to them ... have they come to pass?
 
For example, is contemporary Israel the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy?

Are the Jewish people God’s chosen people today?

Has God promised the land of Palestine exclusively to the Jewish people as an everlasting inheritance?

How should Christians view the Palestinians and especially the Palestinian church?

1) erm...sort of
2) Yes - many are called but few are chosen
3) Exclusively - no
4) a) too vague b) brothers and sisters in Christ
 
How should we view Americans?

A clinically obese nation
Travellers who talk louder than other nationalities
A hotch-potch of different peoples
People who beat up their political opponents in the street
A group therapy session for the British Royal family
People who you don't argue with over the hedge because you can easily get popped
 
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The story of Joseph and his brothers show a perfect prophetic picture of how Israel will be reconciled with Christ in the latter days [as foretold] Betrayed by his brothers and sold into Egypt, slain so far as Israel [Jacob] knew.

But among the Gentiles he became Lord and Saviour.

In Jacob's old age Joseph was revealed to him as alive and as Saviour. And Joseph's brothers [all Israel] besought pardon from him.

Joseph said "you meant it for evil but God meant it for good.2 and they were reconciled.
 
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OldSage said:
How should we view Americans?

A clinically obese nation
Travellers who talk louder than other nationalities
A hotch-potch of different peoples
People who beat up their political opponents in the street
A group therapy session for the British Royal family
People who you don't argue with over the hedge because you can easily get popped
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The Circus Of British Parliment?

Every Meeting Is A Skit On Saturday Night Live Comedy Show, Speaker John Berkow's New Clown Costume For The Day :giggle:
 
Really I think the idea that the Nation of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy is confusing to say the least.
And in essence, wrong.
 
The more I look at Israel the more I think we are leading up to a 2nd Red Sea Event.

Once Israel conquers Gaza, she will move on to Lebanon and Syria and finally Jordan to recreate
the ancient land of Israel. Watching the dollar slowly collapse one wonders how much longer America will have her back. It is very hard not to see Israel at some point become a total international pariah state.

I think at some point she will be surrounded by enemies and then God will miraculously save her.
I think that is in line with prophetic scripture.

Zechariah 12 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
 
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1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
[...]
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.


...sounds as if they are merely "dry bones" at first, until later they have sinews, flesh and skin cover them, and later still have "breath" breathed into them...
 
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pottersclay said:
The supreme court does acknowledge the existence of God as we place our hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.
But does that person swearing the oath believe in that God? Or any god for that matter.
Notice that the oath giver is never asked that question. The oath has just become a formality.
The earlier church of the states got much involved into political and community matters but as time passed it's involvement lessened.
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I agree I mention them because
pottersclay said:
The supreme court does acknowledge the existence of God as we place our hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.
But does that person swearing the oath believe in that God? Or any god for that matter.
Notice that the oath giver is never asked that question. The oath has just become a formality.
The earlier church of the states got much involved into political and community matters but as time passed it's involvement lessened.
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True. But I was referring to history.
Justice Brewer in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States:

"While because of a general recognition of this truth the question has seldom been presented to the courts, yet we find that in Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, it was decided that,

'Christianity, general Christianity, is, and always has been, a part of the common law ... not Christianity with an established church ... but Christianity with liberty of conscience to all men.'

The People v. Ruggles, Chancellor Kent, the great commentator on American law, speaking as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of New York, said:

'The people of this State, in common with the people of this country, profess the general doctrines of Christianity, as the rule of their faith and practice ...

We are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply engrafted upon Christianity, and not upon the doctrines or worship of those impostors.'

This is still the foundation.
 
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