Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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tanakh said:
You are entitled to your opinion. But there are a few queries I have about it.

1 Israel may well be allied to you but so is Turkey and the rest of Nato including my own country (UK) they have a different take on the events enfolding at present. Are you suggesting that your other allies are unable or unwilling to share help and information as to what is happening ?

2 ''God told me'' I am rather skeptical about those who say this. Why? because my first thought is how come they have a personal hotline to God that myself as a born again Christian hasn't got. It appears that in addition to having faith in God I require additional faith that you are up there with the Biblical prophets receiving these inspired revelations.
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Just watched some clips, appears Israel started the hostility on the temple mount, shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at those in the court yard of the Muslim Mosque, 300 Muslims injured

Tension built on the parade celebrating the anniversary of the 6 day war, and it flowed over to the Mosque

Hamas responded with rocket fire?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
i support all of my allies

who said they have a hotline to God?
God said we are to love them because of the fathers and the promises, how is that giving them a hotline?
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Firstly you should have made it clear what you meant by saying ''God told me'' God tells us a vast amount of information about himself and his plans for humanity in the Bible and its there for anyone
to read but it is a matter of interpretation and gaining knowledge of its contents and context. That
brings me to my second point. Yes God tells us to love Israel but as Paul stated not all Israel is Israel.
How many present day Jews believe in Christ as their Messiah and the only begotten Son of God or even one of Gods Prophets? If we are correct in believing that the Antichrist will have Jewish ancestry
are we supposed to love him as well?
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Christians should love and bless them after all they are the reason we were grafted in.

As a nation who bears the sword against evil, we should still to this day help defend Israel who not perfect but is prophetically still attached to verses like Genesis 12:3.
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The Jews rejected and killed God Messiah Jesus Christ?

Love and Bless those who follow the filthy Talmud, that teaches that Gentiles/Goyim are filth, that should be robbed and killed, and much more than that?

God let's you know the condition of Jerusalem, at the future time of the tribulation, spiritually like Sodom and Egypt, give it a blessing?

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
tanakh said:
Firstly you should have made it clear what you meant by saying ''God told me'' God tells us a vast amount of information about himself and his plans for humanity in the Bible and its there for anyone
to read but it is a matter of interpretation and gaining knowledge of its contents and context. That
brings me to my second point. Yes God tells us to love Israel but as Paul stated not all Israel is Israel.
How many present day Jews believe in Christ as their Messiah and the only begotten Son of God or even one of Gods Prophets? If we are correct in believing that the Antichrist will have Jewish ancestry
are we supposed to love him as well?
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I Agree 100%, the false Zionist chant the Jews that humans based upon race and ethnic heritage are Gods chosen?
 
tanakh said:
Firstly you should have made it clear what you meant by saying ''God told me'' God tells us a vast amount of information about himself and his plans for humanity in the Bible and its there for anyone
to read but it is a matter of interpretation and gaining knowledge of its contents and context. That
brings me to my second point. Yes God tells us to love Israel but as Paul stated not all Israel is Israel.
How many present day Jews believe in Christ as their Messiah and the only begotten Son of God or even one of Gods Prophets? If we are correct in believing that the Antichrist will have Jewish ancestry
are we supposed to love him as well?
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1. When I said god told me, I quoted romans 11. So I am not sure why you questioned the fact I said God told me, I quoted his very words,

In Romans 11. When God tells us that Israel is hated because of the gospel. But beloved for the sake of the fathers, because the gifts and calling are irrevocable. He is speaking of national isreal. and the promises and gifts given to them tracing back to Abraham, to interpret it any other way is to destroy the meaning of scripture and to make God out to be a liar, claiming his gifts ARE revocable,

I do no wish to go down that trail my friend
 
eternally-gratefull said:
1. When I said god told me, I quoted romans 11. So I am not sure why you questioned the fact I said God told me, I quoted his very words,

In Romans 11. When God tells us that Israel is hated because of the gospel. But beloved for the sake of the fathers, because the gifts and calling are irrevocable. He is speaking of national isreal. and the promises and gifts given to them tracing back to Abraham, to interpret it any other way is to destroy the meaning of scripture and to make God out to be a liar, claiming his gifts ARE revocable,

I do no wish to go down that trail my friend
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Roman's Chapter 11 is speaking to the Remnant Church, those that are chosen through grace in salvation, that will be added to the Church on earth

You will closely note, unsaved Israel us blinded

Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
 
Truth7t7 said:
The Jews rejected and killed God Messiah Jesus Christ?

Love and Bless those who follow the filthy Talmud, that teaches that Gentiles/Goyim are filth, that should be robbed and killed, and much more than that?

God let's you know the condition of Jerusalem, at the future time of the tribulation, spiritually like Sodom and Egypt, give it a blessing?

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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You forget about God's remnant and the call of repentance. Judgment has not come, yet.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Roman's Chapter 11 is speaking to the Remnant Church, those that are chosen through grace in salvation, that will be added to the Church on earth

You will closely note, unsaved Israel us blinded

Romans 11:5-7KJV
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
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Wrong

it is about the nation of Israel, who is blinded in part, and how us gentile believers should not be proud, it is about the natural branches (national Israel) vs the unnatural branches.(us)

it is about God redeeming them when the time of the gentile is completed

it is about a God who keeps his promises
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
You forget about God's remnant and the call of repentance. Judgment has not come, yet.
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they fail to realise if god will not keep his promise to Israel, there is no reason to have faith he will keep his promise to us,

hence God is untrustworthy
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
Very true. Israel is proof of God's ability to keep His promises. This provides assurance and confidence in the faith we have.
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Both amazing & difficult times.

We are witnessing the escalation of brother's hostility between Isaac & Ishmael and Jacob & Esau (Israel & Edom) together with
the descendants of other ancient Middle Eastern enemies of Israel. The enemies of Israel have a demonic lust to posses the land.
We won't see it settled until Jesus returns. God foretold these times in detail through every Prophet.

Let's pray for all believing Israelis. Pray for Messianic Jews & those yet to turn to Messiah.
And pray for Christian Arabs (Palestinians) in the land. The Palestinian terrorist stronghold is one of the most difficult places
on earth to be a Christian. And pray for Jews in our own countries as terrorist-inspired anti-Semitism is rising.

Psalm 83

O God, do not keep silent; be not quiet,
O God, be not still.
2 See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.

3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.

4 ‘Come,’ they say, ‘let us destroy them as a nation,
so that the name of Israel be remembered no more.’

5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you –

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.
________________________________

All these areas we know as Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, parts of Iraq & Saudi.
These are fostering the hate of Israel through Islamic Jihad.
God knows their game. He knew it 3000 years ago!
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Just watched some clips, appears Israel started the hostility on the temple mount, shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at those in the court yard of the Muslim Mosque, 300 Muslims injured

Tension built on the parade celebrating the anniversary of the 6 day war, and it flowed over to the Mosque

Hamas responded with rocket fire?
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Portion of article from Reuters:
"Violent clashes over Jerusalem escalated dramatically on Monday with Gaza health officials saying at least 20 people, including nine children, were killed by Israeli air strikes launched after Palestinian militant groups fired rockets close to Jerusalem

Israel’s military said it carried out strikes against armed groups, rocket launchers and military posts in Gaza after militants there crossed what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called a “red line” by firing on the Jerusalem area for the first time since a 2014 war."
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Why?
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Dude...I was disagreeing with your contention that Israel is proof of God keeping promises and that our faith, to some extent, relies on whether Israel exists. My faith in God keeping His promises is not at all dependent on the existence of Israel. Really. No irony this time. I promise.
 
Truth7t7 said:
The Jews rejected and killed God Messiah Jesus Christ?

Love and Bless those who follow the filthy Talmud, that teaches that Gentiles/Goyim are filth, that should be robbed and killed, and much more than that?

God let's you know the condition of Jerusalem, at the future time of the tribulation, spiritually like Sodom and Egypt, give it a blessing?

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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You do realize that the Jews rejection of Jesus brought to pass God's plan of salvation, don't you? If not for Jesus' death, burial and resurrection no one could be reconciled to God through the New Testament spiritual rebirth. That is what Paul expressed in Rom. 11. Paul also made it clear that ALL of Israel will the saved. (Rom.11:12, 25-26).

"So I ask, did they (Jews) stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!"

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
 
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Wansvic said:
Portion of article from Reuters
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I'm not saying that that write up is inaccurate. I just want to point out that Reuters is no longer a trustworthy news source, and has become just like the other MSM. They engage in propaganda in the way they present news. People should go to the Jerusalem Post or a couple of other Israeli news sources.

From the Jerusalem Post:
IDF strikes four anti-tank missile cells in Gaza as rockets pound Tel Aviv
IDF kills top Hamas commanders on Wednesday, including close operatives to Mohammed Deif, in joint operation with the Shin Bet.

Also, the Palestinian terrorists are bragging that Iran has been supplying them with rockets. And the reason for that is that Joe Biden has given billions to Iran and signaled that he wants to go back to the Nuclear Deal which never should have seen the light of day. So Biden should be held responsible for this bloodshed. But you wont see the MSM honestly saying this.
 
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