K
Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
- Thread starter Roughsoul1991
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
...and I think we must study the passages in Genesis that speak of:
--SEED [SINGULAR]
--SEED [PLURAL]
...to ascertain what Paul meant in Galatians 3:16 re: "SEED [SINGULAR]"...
Just because Paul is making a point about "SEED [SINGULAR]," in Galatians 3, does not toss away the points in Genesis re: "SEED [PLURAL]"... no. Not at all.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
Not sure what you're getting at, can you be a little more clear? I have a pretty normal view of the Holocaust, that over 6 million Jews were murdered along with others Hitler saw as unfit.
I believe the match would be found in Pharaoh of Egypt, as when the future two witnesses of Rev 11 come on the scene before the Antichrist, it's going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Do you believe in two literal future prophets returned, in literal plagues upon this literal earth, as seen in Rev chapters 11 & 16?
Funny, you folks in the UK take that tea time serious, Phil up in Scotland the same, cheersTea time nowMaybe tomorrow.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Peace was promised to Israel for being obedient to the commands of God, and if they disobeyed God they would be punished, again if the church replaced Isreal, these things would apply to the churchOf course you made the claim that Israel is living in peace, who you kidding
Quote below eternally-grateful, post #651
Quote: "The church is not in the land of Israel living in peace because they obey Gods commands because the promise was not given to them."
of course if you studied Lev 26 you would know this, but I think you have exposed to everyone here you have utterly no understanding of Lev 26, written to Israel
if the church is obedient, then the promise made to Israel they should be living in peace in the land called Israel.
that was my point, please forgive me for saying something over your head. Again, that is why I do not respond to you much, you have serious co pretension issues,
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
A parable is a language used as an allegory to explain a biblical truth
we do not use that to interpret prophecy, a prophecy is a foretelling of a literal event, when you try to use it as an allegory, it ceases to be a prophetic event
I'm aware that your view is pretty conventional. What I'm asking is whether you think that it has played a part in your interpretation of this part of scripture that is currently being discussed. I ask because of your statement here:
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
He looks bad when he looks At something another person says, then comes back and totally twists what the person says, because he shows a lack of understanding
if your going to defend yourself do it. but don’t accuse or twist another person of saying things they never said, and if you do by accident, at least confess it. Don’t co it ue to deny it like he always does,
this is not my first go around with him, there is a reason I ignore hi l but when he accuses me of saying something t hat is not true, I will defend myself against his lie
Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)?
Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
Dan 9.
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”
the man who makes a covenant is one who comes out of the ones who destroyed the city in ad 70. Rome, he will commit the abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus in matt 24,
he is not a Jew,
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”
the man who makes a covenant is one who comes out of the ones who destroyed the city in ad 70. Rome, he will commit the abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus in matt 24,
he is not a Jew,
Do you believe the words (Seventy Weeks) below are literal weeks of (Four Hundred Ninety Days) Or Do You Have A Symbolic Representation Of The Literal Words (Seventy Weeks)?
Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Are you incapable of understanding Context? Do you know the difference between allegorizing in what is Biblical method of ( wrongly) interpretation and an Allegory which the bible does have?
God currently has no covenant with National Ethnic Israel, it's this point you dont want to accept
The Kingdom of God has been taken from them, and given to the Church, who is bringing forth the fruit
It appears that Dispensationalism's Christian Zionism in (Dual Covenant Theology) has blinded your eyes to this biblical truth
The Church is the Israel of God, Children Of The Promised Seed
Matthew 21:43KJV
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel if God, children if the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
Still not sure what you're getting at. You understand the Replacement Theology and what it teaches? It is contrary to what the Bible teaches. These early church fathers, especially Luther, came from the Catholic church and held on to their anti- Semitic views. You do realize the Nazi's weren't the first to put Jews in ghettos and make them wear a distinguishing sign. Satan doesn't want God to keep His promise to Israel. The Jews have been persecuted, exiled, and murdered, the devil is trying his hardest to destroy God's chosen people. So no, I interpret Scripture from the view of God's promises in the Abrahamic covenant, and that they are both unconditional and everlasting. He will fulfill His promises. If He doesn't, would make God and liar, and we know that is not possible.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
Abrahamic Covenant was unconditional and everlasting. It was made to the Jew. They lost use of the land but they never lost the deed to the land. There is a remnant of Jews and the promises belong to them. Romans isn't talking to the church, it's talking to the Jews.