Superstore TV Show Character/Idealism

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LeaLuv

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I recently discovered the TV show Superstore and am obsessed. It's the perfect balance of wit and intelligence, reminds me of summer camp, and makes me wish I had a close community like that. One character in particular has really struck me, and I feel like he's my soul mate. I know that's ridiculous, it's a parasocial relationship and I don't even believe in soul mates. But I've never seen a more perfect representation of my ideal man, that feels like home, and that I strongly identify with as a person. There's even a storyline involving stars, and certain sentiments and phrases used, that are oddly familiar, and hit incredibly close to home. I basically couldn't write a more perfect character. And I do believe God speaks to me through themes, sometimes through the media. Though I'm not always sure what the message is.

My question is, how unhealthy is it to hold him up as a standard, now that I've finally found a clear representation of what I want, after so much confusion. (So many weird masculine messages out there (superheroes, gym rats, gamers, etc.), and this guy is refreshingly normal and incredibly open, generous, supportive, and vulnerable. It's like I've seen the bar, and I can't compromise. What's the likelihood a real version exists? And why aren't more guys like that? I feel like when I grew up, in the 90s, this was more representative, and guys could be sensitive and whole humans. But now the narrative seems to be all about being weird digital avatars of masculinity, that has nothing to do with being humane, or connecting with women, and is more about proving you're tough, and not gay. As a woman, I find that incredibly immature, one-dimensional, and impossible to connect with. This character is a 180° opposite antidote to that. There are some scenes he's so vulnerable and hurt, I'm floored by my own emotional reactions, as I'm not used to ever seeing men like that, and it's incredibly attractive. Finally, I feel in many Christian circles, we're told to rely on God and deal with emotions in ways that often feel contrived, stunted and suppressed, which increases my feeling and likelihood that I will never connect and meet anyone like that in real life. They just don't exist.

I know this post is kind of silly, but I think a lot of us are being impacted by COVID and what we have access to. And, I'm not a typical anime/ComicCon, etc. fan type, who regularly has parasocial relationships. I do have regular media crushes, but nothing's felt as specific and familiar and wholly perfect as this. (Like the cliché, "when you know, you just know.) It's been both freeing, in the sense that I better understand my type and who I am, and not try to twist myself in knots to please everyone. But also depressing, in that I'm a grown woman in love with a TV character, who likely has no real equal, and even then would probably not reciprocate.

Jacob waited for Rebecca 7 years. Sarah & Elizabeth were barren until they weren't. Job & Joseph were restored. All of those seemed impossible. As little girls we're told to be pure and wait for a Disney Prince. As adults, most women settle for beasts (sorry.) I'm going to keep praying for a "one flesh" miracle. I'd rather stay single than compromise intimacy. My brother has that. (And I know the stats on arranged marriage vs. love marriage, and the number of viable men vs. women, but I also know the stats on divorce - Christian or otherwise.) Is this crazy?
 

Lanolin

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huh I didnt grow up in Disney Land so cant say I was ever told to wait around to marry a prince. What prince? Prince was this singer on MTV who looked kinda weird.
 

cinder

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I think the answer to: is this crazy requires a clearer plan of action. And I'm reminded of some author commenting on the heroes of romance novels and saying something like: men like that don't really exist; they're created by women and no one understands a woman's longings and dreams like another woman. Having said that is it crazy to get emotionally involved with fictional characters, not particularly since that's what they're designed for is to be proxies for our experiences and emotions. Is it crazy to refuse to date beastly men? Actually that sounds pretty wise to me. Is it crazy to compare every real life human man you meet to an idealized fictional character and find him wanting? Well I believe in ideals, but it does rather sound like a recipe for disappointment.

And it's also possible that another 10 episodes down the road this character will be taken in a direction that makes you dislike him. That's a whole lot like real life too.
 

Subhumanoidal

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I recently discovered the TV show Superstore and am obsessed. It's the perfect balance of wit and intelligence, reminds me of summer camp, and makes me wish I had a close community like that. One character in particular has really struck me, and I feel like he's my soul mate. I know that's ridiculous, it's a parasocial relationship and I don't even believe in soul mates. But I've never seen a more perfect representation of my ideal man, that feels like home, and that I strongly identify with as a person. There's even a storyline involving stars, and certain sentiments and phrases used, that are oddly familiar, and hit incredibly close to home. I basically couldn't write a more perfect character. And I do believe God speaks to me through themes, sometimes through the media. Though I'm not always sure what the message is.

My question is, how unhealthy is it to hold him up as a standard, now that I've finally found a clear representation of what I want, after so much confusion. (So many weird masculine messages out there (superheroes, gym rats, gamers, etc.), and this guy is refreshingly normal and incredibly open, generous, supportive, and vulnerable. It's like I've seen the bar, and I can't compromise. What's the likelihood a real version exists? And why aren't more guys like that? I feel like when I grew up, in the 90s, this was more representative, and guys could be sensitive and whole humans. But now the narrative seems to be all about being weird digital avatars of masculinity, that has nothing to do with being humane, or connecting with women, and is more about proving you're tough, and not gay. As a woman, I find that incredibly immature, one-dimensional, and impossible to connect with. This character is a 180° opposite antidote to that. There are some scenes he's so vulnerable and hurt, I'm floored by my own emotional reactions, as I'm not used to ever seeing men like that, and it's incredibly attractive. Finally, I feel in many Christian circles, we're told to rely on God and deal with emotions in ways that often feel contrived, stunted and suppressed, which increases my feeling and likelihood that I will never connect and meet anyone like that in real life. They just don't exist.

I know this post is kind of silly, but I think a lot of us are being impacted by COVID and what we have access to. And, I'm not a typical anime/ComicCon, etc. fan type, who regularly has parasocial relationships. I do have regular media crushes, but nothing's felt as specific and familiar and wholly perfect as this. (Like the cliché, "when you know, you just know.) It's been both freeing, in the sense that I better understand my type and who I am, and not try to twist myself in knots to please everyone. But also depressing, in that I'm a grown woman in love with a TV character, who likely has no real equal, and even then would probably not reciprocate.

Jacob waited for Rebecca 7 years. Sarah & Elizabeth were barren until they weren't. Job & Joseph were restored. All of those seemed impossible. As little girls we're told to be pure and wait for a Disney Prince. As adults, most women settle for beasts (sorry.) I'm going to keep praying for a "one flesh" miracle. I'd rather stay single than compromise intimacy. My brother has that. (And I know the stats on arranged marriage vs. love marriage, and the number of viable men vs. women, but I also know the stats on divorce - Christian or otherwise.) Is this crazy?
I find having some ideal person or idea of a person, to be pointless. You pick and choose what you like/dislike based off of only what you know. In reality the chances of meeting someone like that is slim. And the person you meet will be different than what you expected, but still blow you away for reasons you never considered.
I find it better to know what you Don't want than plan for what you want.
Also often times the traits you think seem good may have another side to them that will deter you.

I don't at all understand the "weird masculine messages" They're just normal guys who identify themselves by their greatest interest. They were doing the same thing in the 90s.

It's funny that you have this negative tone against, well, every man apparently, except this TV character. Describing them as weird, while you're in love and obsessed with a TV character.
Let me ask you how it looks to men that you have idealized and fixated on a fictional character and basically only want a photocopy of him? Doesn't exactly paint you in a better light than guys who are gamers or gym rats.

As far as how guys aren't displaying avatars to connect with women, why should they? Even when I was single I never did this. Because I was expressing myself and not putting up a facade to trick women into being interested.
Nor would I be attracted to a woman doing that either. I'd want her to be self expressive because that's what's going to actually show me if there's something attractive about her.
 

LeaLuv

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huh I didnt grow up in Disney Land so cant say I was ever told to wait around to marry a prince. What prince? Prince was this singer on MTV who looked kinda weird.
Being sarcastic, facetious, and dismissive is not helpful. Kindly troll someone else.
 

LeaLuv

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I think the answer to: is this crazy requires a clearer plan of action. And I'm reminded of some author commenting on the heroes of romance novels and saying something like: men like that don't really exist; they're created by women and no one understands a woman's longings and dreams like another woman. Having said that is it crazy to get emotionally involved with fictional characters, not particularly since that's what they're designed for is to be proxies for our experiences and emotions. Is it crazy to refuse to date beastly men? Actually that sounds pretty wise to me. Is it crazy to compare every real life human man you meet to an idealized fictional character and find him wanting? Well I believe in ideals, but it does rather sound like a recipe for disappointment.

And it's also possible that another 10 episodes down the road this character will be taken in a direction that makes you dislike him. That's a whole lot like real life too.
I understand what you're saying, but this isn't a romance novel, he isn't written by women, and he isn't perfect. He's perfect for me. (Though what's wrong with men understanding women's needs?) The show is also over and his arc is complete. I think one would need to understand the character and the greater question should be, why aren't more men like that? His love interest isn't a Barbie doll and has a lot of baggage, and he stands by her. It's quite Biblical. The reason I'm impressed by him is the nature of today's fickle relationships. As Christians we are asked to uphold ideals, I just don't see them manifested in reality. And most, as usual, sell out or settle.
 
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Godsgirl83

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Being sarcastic, facetious, and dismissive is not helpful. Kindly troll someone else.
She's not trolling you, that's her normal tone of responses.
 

LeaLuv

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I find having some ideal person or idea of a person, to be pointless. You pick and choose what you like/dislike based off of only what you know. In reality the chances of meeting someone like that is slim. And the person you meet will be different than what you expected, but still blow you away for reasons you never considered.
I find it better to know what you Don't want than plan for what you want.
Also often times the traits you think seem good may have another side to them that will deter you.

I don't at all understand the "weird masculine messages" They're just normal guys who identify themselves by their greatest interest. They were doing the same thing in the 90s.

It's funny that you have this negative tone against, well, every man apparently, except this TV character. Describing them as weird, while you're in love and obsessed with a TV character.
Let me ask you how it looks to men that you have idealized and fixated on a fictional character and basically only want a photocopy of him? Doesn't exactly paint you in a better light than guys who are gamers or gym rats.

As far as how guys aren't displaying avatars to connect with women, why should they? Even when I was single I never did this. Because I was expressing myself and not putting up a facade to trick women into being interested.
Nor would I be attracted to a woman doing that either. I'd want her to be self expressive because that's what's going to actually show me if there's something attractive about her.
This response is tone deaf and focused on your own experience, rather than women's. Newsflash: women get harassed, a lot, by a lot of sub-par men. So reading my post as purely negative without empathetic consideration... is unnecessarily defensive, kind of proves my point, and is part of the problem. You also strike me as someone who's less discriminating in their choices, which is fine, but doesn't gel with my personality type. I wasn't born yesterday, I've met plenty of people, I've compromised - to my own detriment - no one's struck me as so similar to myself as this character, and seeing it illustrated made me think that perhaps a true, best-friend bond is out there. And if I don't find them, maybe second best isn't good enough. Normal guys were not doing the same things in the 90s. The over-muscled, over-tattooed, comic obsessed trends didn't exist. What was normal was people like Paul Resiser, Hugh Grant, and Micheal J. Fox - identified by their personalities, not their tribes. We're regressing. So tell me again that I'm weird for not accepting gross advances, and idealizing someone with feelings and manners, and then tell me I'm the problem. Sounds like you're saying men are even more rigid and insecure than I thought. No idea what you're saying about avatars, you've misunderstood me completely. I'm not trying to trick anyone. As if not every guy's dating profile isn't hunting, fishing, snowboarding, etc. Are we going to live in the woods like Neanderthals? And then they complain. How about displaying some domestication? Watch how many ovaries burst. Clueless.
 
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Godsgirl83

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And what about that is acceptable?
No one said it is or isn't, but if you spend some time in other areas of this forum and get to know regular users through their post, you start to know what's "normal" for people. Makes it a little easier to not be offended by what they say when you realize that it's not just you they talk that way to.
Anyways, just a heads up.

As far as what you're asking.....
I'm still reading, re-reading, and rereading again to try and understand just what it is you ARE asking,
because from where I'm sitting, A LOT could be read into what you have posted, and so you might want to prepare yourself for a lot of replies that are going to likely seem offensive to you.

I don't have an answer for you right now.
Hope someone comes along who can help you.
 

LeaLuv

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No one said it is or isn't, but if you spend some time in other areas of this forum and get to know regular users through their post, you start to know what's "normal" for people. Makes it a little easier to not be offended by what they say when you realize that it's not just you they talk that way to.
Anyways, just a heads up.

As far as what you're asking.....
I'm still reading, re-reading, and rereading again to try and understand just what it is you ARE asking,
because from where I'm sitting, A LOT could be read into what you have posted, and so you might want to prepare yourself for a lot of replies that are going to likely seem offensive to you.

I don't have an answer for you right now.
Hope someone comes along who can help you.
If people are rude, that's offensive. And if people can't be respectful, that's a problem. Sounds like this community is toxic. I'm not forcing anyone to respond, especially if they can't be nice or understanding. Guess I've picked the wrong community to trust with my thoughts. How sad for a Christian community.
 
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Godsgirl83

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If people are rude, that's offensive. And if people can't be respectful, that's a problem
How is anyone on a public forum suppose to know what you consider rude or offensive?
What one considers rude may come off as funny to another or just exactly what someone needs to be told, or just be how another needs to hear it.
Also, might want to keep in mind that this is a site that operates worldwide, so you're going to get people with lots of different backgrounds and understandings of things (and sometimes those words that mean one thing in one part of the world means something else to someone in another part of the world.....)
No one said you were forcing anyone to respond, and if you don't like what someone has to say- well there's nothing saying you have to respond to their response.
Truth be told, there are A LOT of great people here with great insights to stuff. Hope you stick around to get to know some of them.
 

LeaLuv

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How is anyone on a public forum suppose to know what you consider rude or offensive?
What one considers rude may come off as funny to another or just exactly what someone needs to be told, and how another needs to hear something.
No one said you were forcing anyone to respond, and if you don't like what someone has to say- well there's nothing saying you have to respond to their response.
Truth be told, there are A LOT of great people here with great insights to stuff. Hope you stick around to get to know some of them.
Manners are not subjective. If Christians don't know what's rude, we're lost. Mockery is not funny. If there's ambiguity, don't say it. If I don't like what someone has to say to me, ie. they're wrong, I most certainly do have to respond to correct them. I didn't come here to get cyberbullied. This isn't Twitter. Are empathy and courtesy too much to ask? Do people need to revisit their Bibles? Are the moderators enabling bad behavior?
 
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Godsgirl83

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Manners are not subjective. If Christians don't know what's rude, we're lost. Mockery is not funny. If there's ambiguity, don't say it. If I don't like what someone has to say to me, ie. they're wrong, I most certainly do have to respond to correct them. I didn't come here to get cyberbullied. This isn't Twitter. Are empathy and courtesy too much to ask? Do people need to revisit their Bibles? Are the moderators enabling bad behavior?
No one was mocking you, or bullying you or anything else.
RECAP:
You posted,
someone from another country (read that: different cultural understanding) replied to you.
You accused them of trolling :rolleyes: not knowing that that is normal personality of that user.
Anyone else that replies you seem to respond negative to.
If you don't like what someone else says to you, wait, your exact words were:
If I don't like what someone has to say to me, ie. they're wrong,



so then you're saying that anyone who doesn't say exactly what you like and want to hear is wrong and

I most certainly do have to respond to correct them
but you question if people are truly Christian........
:unsure:
Welcome to CC.
Bible Discussion Forum (BDF) is the 2nd forum on the main page,
I think you'll fit right in.
 

LeaLuv

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No one was mocking you, or bullying you or anything else.
RECAP:
You posted,
someone from another country (read that: different cultural understanding) replied to you.
You accused them of trolling :rolleyes: not knowing that that is normal personality of that user.
Anyone else that replies you seem to respond negative to.
If you don't like what someone else says to you, wait, your exact words were:





so then you're saying that anyone who doesn't say exactly what you like and want to hear is wrong and


but you question if people are truly Christian........
:unsure:
Welcome to CC.
Bible Discussion Forum (BDF) is the 2nd forum on the main page,
I think you'll fit right in.
I'm super confused as to why you inserted yourself in this conversation when you've already said you have nothing to contribute, and your mission in life seems to be to misunderstand and chastise me. I don't take kindly to ridicule, or those who defend it. (Is she your girlfriend?) Nor am I looking for a Bible study and don't need to be patronized. Thanks for proving this is a self-righteous toxic community. Go find someone else to target.
 

tourist

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huh I didnt grow up in Disney Land so cant say I was ever told to wait around to marry a prince. What prince? Prince was this singer on MTV who looked kinda weird.
I didn't grow up in Disneyland, but I did live an hour away from Walt Disney World.
 

cinder

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Wise man once said: as for taking offense.... I don't like it so I never take it. Also I'm starting to think it doesn't matter too much what kind of guy your ideal is if this is how you react to people in general. Seems like you'll be offended by something long before your dream guy gets close enough to think about asking you out and he'll decide he doesn't need that drama in his life.

So why are you here? If you just needed to tell someone about your awesome fictional guy, mission accomplished. If you actually want some constructive advice or criticism, you may have to learn to dig through the mildly offensive stuff to find the gold rather than whine like a toddler about how your feelings were hurt because someone said something mean to you.
 

cinder

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Any parent telling their young daugahter to wait for a Disney Prince would be doing her a great disservice.
Besides if you've seen Into the Woods then you know that Prince Charming (both of them) is a cheater.