So says a Sabbatarian. But other Christians will give serious consideration to what is in the Bible, not what Ellen G. white said.
exactly.
ms. white and the other 2 dudes that started the 7th day advent were certainly not modern era prophets....
So says a Sabbatarian. But other Christians will give serious consideration to what is in the Bible, not what Ellen G. white said.
I didn't quote any Ellen White quotes and quoted the Bible many times.So says a Sabbatarian. But other Christians will give serious consideration to what is in the Bible, not what Ellen G. white said.
I didn't quote any Ellen White quotes and quoted the Bible many times.
My question was simple but you have not answered it.
Where did the sabbath get changed from the seventh day to the first day in the bible?
Just because Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday does not prove this.
Anyone can be a child of God.when were the gentiles placed under the Law of Moses??
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Anyone can be a child of God.
A spiritual Israelite, not by blood line but by adoption.
Grafted in to the family.
Luk 3:8-9
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Rom 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As children of God we obey and keep His laws.
1Jn 3:1-10
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
My question back to you is ....
When were God's children not expected to keep His moral laws?
As Lord of the sabbath, where did Jesus change the Sabbath?
as children of God, our relationship with God is through faith in Christ, not by keeping the Law.
and, there is no such thing as different Laws. that is a s d a , Hebrew roots talking point.
one God, one mediator, one Covenant , one Law.
given to Israel only at Sinai.
It isn't about meeting on one day... we can meet every day and worship any day of the week.Show us where Jesus and/or the Apostles taught that we must all meet on Saturday.
That does not mean the sabbath was changed in any way.It's no where in the New Testament... but we do see numerous scriptures where the Apostles gathered ion the FIRST day of the week which is Sunday, the same day Jesus was raised from the dead...
Here's your answer... (My question was "As Lord of the sabbath, where did Jesus change the Sabbath?").
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
In the New Testament... there is a new priesthood where Jesus is our High Priest instead of Moses and as such we are no longer under the law of Moses, but now we are under the Law of Christ.
In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.
Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.
Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.
So it is clear that a law has been taken away and no longer applies.... But that A law is still in place.... Jew or gentile we are all under the same law. The Law of Christ, God's law, The law of Liberty, But we are no longer under the burden of the law given to Moses.The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).
He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.
By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).
The question is "should we keep the sabbath holy", the Seventh day sabbath....
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, or whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Heb 4:9-10
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. Now, we always rest in Him.
Matthew (12) (39) The Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign - Jesus replied” No Sign will be given, except the Sign of the Prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of The Great Fish, so will The Son of Man be three days and three nights in The Earth.”
This is a Prophecy of Jesus Christ.
After Jesus’s Crucifixion, we read in Mark (15) (42) Now when evening had come, because it was Preparation Day, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Pilate granted this.
Since it was evening before Joseph approached Pilate to claim Jesus’s body, and they had to retrieve it, prepare it, wrap it in white linen, place it in the Tomb, and cover the opening, the daytime part of Friday was virtually gone. The dividing line between day and night was sundown, and they were so close to sundown that Friday cannot be counted as a day of Jesus’s Prophecy. However Friday night can be counted, and it proceeds as follows [Fri night -night #1] [Sat. day - day #1 ] [ Sat. night - night # 2 ] [ Sun day - Day # 2 ] [ Sun night - night # 3 ] [ Mon. day - day # 3 ] The day of Jesus’s Resurrection is Monday.
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It is the Babylonian Catholic Church that insisted the Resurrection was on Sunday and not on Jesus’s Prophetic day Monday.
They promoted this Lie many centuries ago, when their power and influence on Christianity was much greater than today.
The Babylonian Catholic Church needed this Lie to promote another Great Deception on Christianity, they used this Lie ( The Sunday Resurrection ), as a reason to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
They freely admit to changing the Sabbath, and explain their reasoning for changing it on their website, Catholic Answers, which states - “ Sunday Worship is justified by a tradition, handed down from the Apostles, which took its origin from the very day of Christ's Resurrection”
Handed down from the Apostles is not true, we will see throughout Acts, the Apostles worshiped and preached on the seventh day ( Saturday) Sabbath.
Using the false Sunday Resurrection as an excuse to change the Sabbath is in true Satanic Tradition, of one Lie supporting another Lie.
After Jesus’s Ascension to Heaven, the Apostles continued Honoring and Preaching on the Seventh Day (Saturday) Sabbath.
Acts (13) (42-44) So when the Jews went out of the Synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the Word of God. ( Showing that the Sabbath is not just for Jews. )
Acts (16) (13) And on the Sabbath Day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made.
Acts (17) (2) Then Paul, as his custom was, went to them and for three Sabbath, and reasoned with them from the scriptures.
Acts (18) (4) (Paul) and reasoned in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks. (again showing that the Sabbath wasn’t just for Jews).
Luke (4) (31) (speaking of Jesus) Then he went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths (Plural) Showing that Jesus also preached on the Seventh Day Sabbath.
The Babylonian Catholic Church referred to Sunday as The Lord's Day. This has been created by the Babylonian Catholic Church, for there is no reference to this anywhere in the Bible. However; the Seventh Day ( Saturday) Sabbath has many references as being the Lord’s Day.
Exodus (20) (7) ”The Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God”.
Isaiah (58) (13) The Lord says ”The Sabbath is my Holy Day”.
Isaiah (66) (23) The Lord says “From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to worship before Me”.
On paragraph 2175 of the Babylonian Catholic Church’s Catechism, the Church states that the Seventh Day Sabbath is the Jewish Sabbath. However ; in Mark (2) (27) Jesus says “The Sabbath is made for Man”. In the Greek text the word for man is Anthropos, which means the Whole Human Race.
In conclusion, I present to you two contradictory statements. You decide which one is the true statement.
[1] “ Saturday is no longer the worship day of God”- So says Pope Benedict (16th) on Monday July 25, 2005.
[2] “ From one Sabbath to another, All Flesh shall come to Worship before Me” From Isaiah (66) (23) and is a quote from The Lord Thy God.
The Fourth Commandment states “Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy.” That was written in stone by the hand of God. I think it’s important.