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You don’t have to do anything besides follow his word and obey , Jesus will take care of the rest not to say you can do nothing , you show me your faith is not with him if you can’t sacrifice one day for him. This is my point exactly .
I’m not judging but people seem to put them selves first , in way of traditions and what “ they” think is right.. , lean not on your own understanding.
The sabbath wouldn’t be a commandment if it was abolished or not binding as one so cleverly put it .
Anything to get away from it I suppose....
I’m not judging but people seem to put them selves first , in way of traditions and what “ they” think is right.. , lean not on your own understanding.
The sabbath wouldn’t be a commandment if it was abolished or not binding as one so cleverly put it .
Anything to get away from it I suppose....
Judging by how much of what i said you ignored or misread and the rest of your responses to others, you've pretty much closed the door on the topic you started and shown yourself to offer nothing of value or substance, merely talking down to people or picking only the parts you want to respond to that are easiest. It's pretty much been dead ended.
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Jesus healed and did not condemn anyone for doing emergency work on the Sabbath. Righteous judgement indeed!
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
(Mar 3:5 KJV)
The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
(Luk 13:15 KJV)
And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
(Mat 12:11-12 KJV)
Jesus said,
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
(Mat 5:17-18 KJV)
All has not been fulfilled and Heaven and Earth have not passed away.
Jesus also said to HIS Apostles, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day"
(Mat 24:20 KJV)
This would be a Strange and confusing thing for HIM to say if HIS Crucifixion and Resurrection was to bring an end to the Sabbath. Day
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
(Mar 3:5 KJV)
The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
(Luk 13:15 KJV)
And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
(Mat 12:11-12 KJV)
Jesus said,
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
(Mat 5:17-18 KJV)
All has not been fulfilled and Heaven and Earth have not passed away.
Jesus also said to HIS Apostles, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day"
(Mat 24:20 KJV)
This would be a Strange and confusing thing for HIM to say if HIS Crucifixion and Resurrection was to bring an end to the Sabbath. Day
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Exodus 16: KJV
29 "See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."
So people who keep the Sabbath by going to church on the Sabbath day are in fact breaking the very Sabbath law they believe they are keeping by leaving their homes and going to church on the Sabbath day..
29 "See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day."
So people who keep the Sabbath by going to church on the Sabbath day are in fact breaking the very Sabbath law they believe they are keeping by leaving their homes and going to church on the Sabbath day..
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The only rest and Sabbath I know, is to believe and trust in God. I don't know of any other rest. God has given us a new rest. So why will I cling to the rest of former days?
Hebrews 4:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
First, Jesus did say it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
Secondly, not everyone on Earth is a saved believer. Plenty of unbelievers would do the tasks.
Thirdly, Christians for nearly 2,000 years did not work on the Sabbath. It was only until recently that many Christians started dishonoring the Sabbath and working on it.
Secondly, not everyone on Earth is a saved believer. Plenty of unbelievers would do the tasks.
Thirdly, Christians for nearly 2,000 years did not work on the Sabbath. It was only until recently that many Christians started dishonoring the Sabbath and working on it.
The seventh day is Saturday. Most Christians go to church on Sunday, the first day of the week - NOT the Sabbath.
Also, the going out of the house I don't think applies to us, it was situational. The purpose was not to go out to collect manna ("bread") instead of doing that gathering work on the 6th day (Friday).
Also, the going out of the house I don't think applies to us, it was situational. The purpose was not to go out to collect manna ("bread") instead of doing that gathering work on the 6th day (Friday).
Of course you wanted to start debate, and tell everyone why you are right, or you would not have written this:
That sentence is a fairly insulting blanket statement aimed at anyone not doing things your way, so they are all pagans. Not so much.
Firstly, born-again Christians do not think they are observing the Sabbath on Sunday. Every SDA I've ever debated introduced that into the argument from the very beginning as it is the lynch pin of their accusation that everyone else is sinning in regards to the Sabbath, except them. But that accusation is based on a false premise. I don't think I am keeping the Sabbath when I go to church on Sunday. Neither does any other Christian I know. So there goes that false premise out the window.
Going to church and the Sabbath are not the same thing, nor are they connected in any way, nor have they ever been connected.
1. The Sabbath was commanded only to Israel. No one else. So unless you are a Mosaic Law Jew who is also not a born-again Christian, there is no reason for you to believe you should be observing the Sabbath.
2. There is not one verse in the New Testament that tells the Church to observe the Sabbath.
3. Obeying the Sabbath along the actual biblical dictates and rules has been literally impossible since the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Unless you are offering daily sacrifices and the extra Sabbath-specific sacrifices at the Temple, in Jerusalem, you are not "keeping" the Sabbath.
4. The Sabbath is not about going to church. So going to church on Saturday is not keeping the Sabbath at all. You are simply swapping which day you go to church, which isn't even close to keeping the Sabbath. Unless you are keeping the Sabbath according to the actual dictates in Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, you are not keeping the Sabbath either, so claiming that it's everyone else who isn't keeping it is a non-starter. In point of fact, you are not keeping the Sabbath either. There is no physical way you can in the 21st century.
That sentence is a fairly insulting blanket statement aimed at anyone not doing things your way, so they are all pagans. Not so much.
Firstly, born-again Christians do not think they are observing the Sabbath on Sunday. Every SDA I've ever debated introduced that into the argument from the very beginning as it is the lynch pin of their accusation that everyone else is sinning in regards to the Sabbath, except them. But that accusation is based on a false premise. I don't think I am keeping the Sabbath when I go to church on Sunday. Neither does any other Christian I know. So there goes that false premise out the window.
Going to church and the Sabbath are not the same thing, nor are they connected in any way, nor have they ever been connected.
1. The Sabbath was commanded only to Israel. No one else. So unless you are a Mosaic Law Jew who is also not a born-again Christian, there is no reason for you to believe you should be observing the Sabbath.
2. There is not one verse in the New Testament that tells the Church to observe the Sabbath.
3. Obeying the Sabbath along the actual biblical dictates and rules has been literally impossible since the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Unless you are offering daily sacrifices and the extra Sabbath-specific sacrifices at the Temple, in Jerusalem, you are not "keeping" the Sabbath.
4. The Sabbath is not about going to church. So going to church on Saturday is not keeping the Sabbath at all. You are simply swapping which day you go to church, which isn't even close to keeping the Sabbath. Unless you are keeping the Sabbath according to the actual dictates in Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, you are not keeping the Sabbath either, so claiming that it's everyone else who isn't keeping it is a non-starter. In point of fact, you are not keeping the Sabbath either. There is no physical way you can in the 21st century.
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Always a false premise. Rome has foisted a huge chunk of false doctrine on the world, but the Sabbath wasn't one of them. Even the RCC does not believe they are observing the sabbath on Sunday. This is always a back-door tactic from people who think they are actually keeping the Sabbath, (even though they can't), to try and discredit everyone else. Going to church on Saturday is not keeping the Sabbath . . .
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You say you are not here to argue or debate, but anyone who does not agree with you gets an insult in your reply.
Explain to us exactly how you are keeping the Sabbath. Exactly how are you "setting aside" the Sabbath? If you think you are actually keeping the Sabbath, and since you claim to be smarter than everyone else in post after post, it should be patently easy to tell all of us exactly how you keep the Sabbath.
Explain to us exactly how you are keeping the Sabbath. Exactly how are you "setting aside" the Sabbath? If you think you are actually keeping the Sabbath, and since you claim to be smarter than everyone else in post after post, it should be patently easy to tell all of us exactly how you keep the Sabbath.
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This is exactly correct. The gentile converts to Christianity did not keep Sabbath, but met for a meal and worship on Sunday to commemorate the resurrection. Only the Jews continued to keep Sabbath as they always have. The Catholic Church has nothing to do with it, that is a historical fallacy.
That being said, keeping the Sabbath isn't a bad thing. It is a day to remember God as Creator and covenant maker. It is not a law unto us, as was pointed out by Paul, but it is not bad. Paul tells us to celebrate the days we desire, so long as they worship God. We are not to disqualify each other over this issue.
That being said, keeping the Sabbath isn't a bad thing. It is a day to remember God as Creator and covenant maker. It is not a law unto us, as was pointed out by Paul, but it is not bad. Paul tells us to celebrate the days we desire, so long as they worship God. We are not to disqualify each other over this issue.