Sunday is catholic tradition.

[posthuman]

You see that is where you are wrong posthuman. Paul's verses did not convince these fellows that all food is clean. They don't agree with you on that matter. I never knew a SDA that would eat unclean meat, just as I don't.

I'm not referring to SDA dude.

I'm referring to people who read the new testament and believe it.

 

[laymen]

could you maybe back up that claim with any evidence?

Other than the fact I am a SDA and know a lot of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Seventh-day_Adventist_hospitals

 

[TMS]

Many are saying that the Lords day is Sunday

We know that all the days are the Lords and that we are to worship Him every day of the week but this is about whether or not we should Keep the 7th day holy above the other days or keep Sunday holy or not keep any day holy.

We can't argue with the fact that the only day that was blessed and sanctified in the Bible is the 7th day. Any claim that Sunday is Blessed by God is presumption or just not there.

One verse used a lot is Rev_1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
I see no evidence to say this makes Sunday set aside as the Lords holy day.

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Notice the words used by John here in this verse "The first day of the week". John wrote this in AD 100 and he called Sunday the first day of the week at that time. In Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, John wrote this 4 years before he wrote the gospel of John, and John had a good understanding of which day was sanctified and which day was the Lords from scripture. If John believe the first day was the Lords day why did he call it "the first day" twice in chap 20? Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
The fact that John didn't call it the Lords day proves he never thought it was.

 

[TMS]

Another point that keeps getting thrown at sabbath keepers is "why don't they keep all the laws of the old testament"?
Well if you are a Jew you would be trying to keep them all.

So what is the difference?
There are two laws in the old testament and if you are honest-hearted you will admit that. The 10 commandments and the ceremonial laws.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Changing, abolishing or doing away with the law contradicts the following verses..


Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

If there is only one Law than the first three verses contradicts the last three.

The Law given by God at Sinai and written on stone in Chapter 20 of Exodus is called the "Ten Commandments". Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

If all the other commandments were included with these there would be more than 10. (plain and simple)

10 = 10 not 100 or 666 or any other number. when the Lord states that new Jerusalem has 12 Gates we all believe it has 12 not 13 or 11 but 12. Deu 5:22 ..... with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

My point is that the 10 commandments contains 10 distinct commandments that does not include all the other laws. and if it wasn't for the 4th commandment than people wouldn't have any issue with this but they need to find a way to abolish the law so that the sabbath can be abolished as well.


The other law which was not written on stone or placed inside the ark was abolished in the flesh of Christ. Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;






If you study the ceremonial laws like Lev 4:1-4, you will see it was a type or shadow of what Jesus was to do for us. these laws pointed to Jesus.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his (Jesus') own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The ceremonial laws were not needed after we got the real deal.

When the blood of the animal was offered it cancelled the sentence of the law it did not cancel the law in the old testament, murder was still murder even after you were forgiven by the blood of the lamb. It is the same today when Jesus died, He canceled the sentence of the law, he didn't cancel the law (10 commandments).

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

The bible doesn't contradict itself. There is a law that was abolished at the cross because Jesus fulfilled it and to offer sacrifices today would be an insult to His death and resurrection, but there is a law that stands to this day.

Be honest you have seen the verses in other posts and we are told to not make the law void.
This is why i keep the 10 commandments but not the laws that are a shadow of Christs life death and ministry.

 

[beta]

My response had to do with beta equating Sunday with baal, and....


....oh, never mind.

Please read 2Kgs ch 17 where GOD calls it 'baal worship' when people turn away from HIS COMMANDMENTS....which of course include His Sabbath !

 

[beta]

Sabbath was made holy on the seventh day of creation in Gen

And also appointed an official worship day to 'assemble before the Lord' Lev 23.

can also mean to spend the time in fellowship with the Father and Son as well as doing 'good works. Today we enjoy the freedom of 'doing good' which was not given to Sabbath-keepers in the OT who had to strictly adhere to the 'letter of the law.
Sadly however people take this freedom way beyond what it was/is intended for under Grace which is to 'stay within the bounds of God's Righteousness always !

 

[Bladerunner]

Many are saying that the Lords day is Sunday

We know that all the days are the Lords and that we are to worship Him every day of the week but this is about whether or not we should Keep the 7th day holy above the other days or keep Sunday holy or not keep any day holy.

We can't argue with the fact that the only day that was blessed and sanctified in the Bible is the 7th day. Any claim that Sunday is Blessed by God is presumption or just not there.

One verse used a lot is Rev_1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
I see no evidence to say this makes Sunday set aside as the Lords holy day.

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Notice the words used by John here in this verse "The first day of the week". John wrote this in AD 100 and he called Sunday the first day of the week at that time. In Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, John wrote this 4 years before he wrote the gospel of John, and John had a good understanding of which day was sanctified and which day was the Lords from scripture. If John believe the first day was the Lords day why did he call it "the first day" twice in chap 20? Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
The fact that John didn't call it the Lords day proves he never thought it was.

The Lord's Day would be the Sabbath or Saturday.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Lord's Day would be the Sabbath or Saturday.

It is not an "either/or" situation. Christians observed the first day of the week (known as Sunday) as the Christian sabbath and day of corporate worship.

 

[beta]

It is not an "either/or" situation. Christians observed the first day of the week (known as Sunday) as the Christian sabbath and day of corporate worship.

That's what sinful man does...it's NOT what GOD wants and scripture proves it !!! why are you OPPOSING God ?

 

[Magenta]

The fact that John didn't call it the Lords day proves he never thought it was.

Ipse dixit. Non sequitur. Excluded middle, or false dilemma. Fallacy of exclusive premises. Modal fallacy. Argument from silence. Regression fallacy. Inductive fallacy.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Then God says..

1 Corinthians 1
18, For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God.
19, For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20, Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21, For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That's what sinful man does...it's NOT what GOD wants and scripture proves it !!! why are you OPPOSING God ?

So you are blatantly accusing the apostles and early Christians of being "sinful men" because they worshiped on the Lord's Day? Do you see where your obsession with the sabbath has brought you? You are now slandering the saints. The accuser of the brethren must be delighted.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The fact that John didn't call it the Lords day proves he never thought it was.

You must be kidding. Listen to what John said about the Lord's Day:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

 

[lightbearer]

I agree that if your conscience condemns you it is sin for you. Familiar with the verse, thanks.

But if assuaging the deceived conscience is sin, then Paul is guilty of doing so when he writes that all food is clean, and that observing all days alike is just as well as a particular day. To attest that convincing someone of the error of their conscience is wrong is to call scripture evil, because scripture does exactly this when it convinces of sin and when it comforts those in unwarranted terror.

Paul does not write that all food is clean anywhere Posthuman.

 

[beta]

So you are blatantly accusing the apostles and early Christians of being "sinful men" because they worshiped on the Lord's Day? Do you see where your obsession with the sabbath has brought you? You are now slandering the saints. The accuser of the brethren must be delighted.

Do you think that anyone who calls himself a christian is a SAINT ???you can't be that naive ! Yashuah HIMself warned of false christs...do you think He was talking of His own handpicked Disciples/Apostles ? you really really need to get into the Word of God to become more discerning !

 

[lightbearer]

So you are blatantly accusing the apostles and early Christians of being "sinful men" because they worshiped on the Lord's Day? Do you see where your obsession with the sabbath has brought you? You are now slandering the saints. The accuser of the brethren must be delighted.

They worship and rested on the Seventh Day Sabbath of GOD according to the Christ; the Word placed on their hearts and Minds. No where will you find in Scripture that they considered Sunday to be the new Sabbath for resting and worship.

 

[beta]

They worship and rested on the Seventh Day Sabbath of GOD according to the Christ; the Word placed on their hearts and Minds. No where will you find in Scripture that they considered Sunday to be the new Sabbath for resting and worship.

Agreed ! all this 'sunday nonsense from Rome did not start untill UNgodly men started to infiltrate the church preaching a different jesus from the LORD of the Sabbath...who did NOT resurrect on sunday !

 

[lightbearer]

You must be kidding. Listen to what John said about the Lord's Day:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

To say that John meant that the Lord's day is Sunday is subjective at best. Nothing in Revelation or in any other of the Spirit's utterances through John's writings even hint to that. Actually you will find nothing in all of the Holy Writ to support that. If anything Scripture points to the Lord's day as being the Sabbath.

For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day.
(Mat 12:8 KJV)

If the Son of Man; Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath is definitely His Day.

 

[lightbearer]

Agreed ! all this 'sunday nonsense from Rome did not start untill UNgodly men started to infiltrate the church preaching a different jesus from the LORD of the Sabbath...who did NOT resurrect on sunday !

Amen sister! Ungodly dishonest men not rightly dividing the Word of Truth!

Truth is truth! It is hard to kick against the pricks. But alas they twist to their own destruction; turning the truth of GOD into a lie. A dog turning to it's vomit; as a pig wallows in the mire trying to justify themselves and take as many as they can with them!

 

[Bookends]

Clear teaching from Steve Gregg:

[video=youtube;an4ff9DXD58]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an4ff9DXD58[/video]