Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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You are missing the point. The flu has killed a lot of people over the course of human history. But how many times did we see a global shutdown of the economy due to the flu? Only one time in history.
Prior to airplanes no one really worried about a contagious disease on the other side of the ocean. Even if sick people took a boat to their country by the time they got there the sickness on the boat was evident and they simply forced the boat to stay moored and not unload.
So even though the 1918 flu did travel around the world and was very deadly, no one actually thought about it at the time. They didn't know it was a pandemic until that was figured out in the 1970s. Again, no global shutdown of the economy.
Prior to airplanes no one really worried about a contagious disease on the other side of the ocean. Even if sick people took a boat to their country by the time they got there the sickness on the boat was evident and they simply forced the boat to stay moored and not unload.
So even though the 1918 flu did travel around the world and was very deadly, no one actually thought about it at the time. They didn't know it was a pandemic until that was figured out in the 1970s. Again, no global shutdown of the economy.
This is one of the problems with the doctrine, if you think you can't know the day and even if you did it won't matter because you won't see any of it then you simply ignore everything the Bible says about it. But if Christians are not going to be around in the tribulation who is going to refuse to get the mark of the beast and be beheaded? Why does the Bible talk so much about it if it doesn't impact believers? There is going to be a rapture that precedes the Antichrist being revealed to the rest of the world, but they will not be the majority of Christians. On the contrary there will be a latter rain, a great revival at the start of the Tribulation that is greater than the former rain, the revival that took place from Pentecost and on.
If someone twists the words I wrote to fit their agenda I don't take them seriously.
Joel 1:2 Hear this, you elders;
listen, all who live in the land.
Has anything like this ever happened in your days
or in the days of your ancestors?
The pandemic in 2020 was unique. Not because it was deadly. We have had lots of deadly diseases prior to this. It was unique in human history because it was the first time there was a worldwide response to the flu. The US shut down churches, that should have been unconstitutional. Australia built quarantine camps. China welded shut doors to apartment buildings and kept tens of thousands of people locked in their buildings. Never before have countries in unison shut down businesses and violated the law like they did at that time.
The same is true of Psalm 83 war. In all of Israel's history never have they been attacked by all the people mentioned in Psalm 83 prior to 2023 and 2024.
Joel 1:2 Hear this, you elders;
listen, all who live in the land.
Has anything like this ever happened in your days
or in the days of your ancestors?
The pandemic in 2020 was unique. Not because it was deadly. We have had lots of deadly diseases prior to this. It was unique in human history because it was the first time there was a worldwide response to the flu. The US shut down churches, that should have been unconstitutional. Australia built quarantine camps. China welded shut doors to apartment buildings and kept tens of thousands of people locked in their buildings. Never before have countries in unison shut down businesses and violated the law like they did at that time.
The same is true of Psalm 83 war. In all of Israel's history never have they been attacked by all the people mentioned in Psalm 83 prior to 2023 and 2024.
I'm gonna give my summary on my Opinion of the rapture.
Then we (christians) which are alive and remain shall be caught up (raptured) together with them ( the dead in christ) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,and so shall we be ever with the Lord.
What are the Christians a remnant of but some giant Christian cataclysmic evet. Aka the 7 year period. Those which are alive and remain are the tribulation saints. That is who is being caught up.
The parelles to the old testament is the comming of the babylonian captivity. There is a verse I forget which one maybe Jeremiah where it says except Job Moses and David where in Jerusalem those three alone would I save. Even the most devoted followers of God were getting judged. Right along with the wicked. Thier only hope of survival was going into captivity. I'm no Job or Moses. I deserve to face the trials as much as you or anyone else. So all I can do is watch and be ready cause no man knowith the day.
Then we (christians) which are alive and remain shall be caught up (raptured) together with them ( the dead in christ) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,and so shall we be ever with the Lord.
What are the Christians a remnant of but some giant Christian cataclysmic evet. Aka the 7 year period. Those which are alive and remain are the tribulation saints. That is who is being caught up.
The parelles to the old testament is the comming of the babylonian captivity. There is a verse I forget which one maybe Jeremiah where it says except Job Moses and David where in Jerusalem those three alone would I save. Even the most devoted followers of God were getting judged. Right along with the wicked. Thier only hope of survival was going into captivity. I'm no Job or Moses. I deserve to face the trials as much as you or anyone else. So all I can do is watch and be ready cause no man knowith the day.
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OK, you are watching the signs in the heavens. Good, please tell us about the Revelation 12 sign that was in the heavens in 2017 and the last time we saw that was when Joseph had his dream.
Also tell us about the"Writing on the Wall" sign in the heavens. There is no record in human history of this sign ever being over the US before.
Everyone claims to be watching, so educate us, what have you seen?
Also tell us about the"Writing on the Wall" sign in the heavens. There is no record in human history of this sign ever being over the US before.
Everyone claims to be watching, so educate us, what have you seen?
Here is the last paragraph of that post:
In my experience those who claim that you cannot know the day, much less the hour are too lazy to watch and it is simply an excuse not to watch. I also find they usually have a very superficial understanding of the Bible.
There is no mention of an "unlearned heathen" which was your claim. Now you change the claim to saying you are lazy and superficial.
Nope, again, I said "I also find they usually have". The word "they" is not a reference to you, obviously and the word "usually" is a caveat that this might not always be true.
Therefore it is very clear that I did not say you were lazy or that you had superficial knowledge.
By all means, if you have been watching the signs like the Lord commanded us to, then tell us about the Revelation 12 sign that was in the heavens and the Writing on the Wall sign, both of which have been in the heavens over the last seven years. You could easily prove right now that you are not lazy, you have been watching and you don't have superficial knowledge.
In my experience those who claim that you cannot know the day, much less the hour are too lazy to watch and it is simply an excuse not to watch. I also find they usually have a very superficial understanding of the Bible.
There is no mention of an "unlearned heathen" which was your claim. Now you change the claim to saying you are lazy and superficial.
Nope, again, I said "I also find they usually have". The word "they" is not a reference to you, obviously and the word "usually" is a caveat that this might not always be true.
Therefore it is very clear that I did not say you were lazy or that you had superficial knowledge.
By all means, if you have been watching the signs like the Lord commanded us to, then tell us about the Revelation 12 sign that was in the heavens and the Writing on the Wall sign, both of which have been in the heavens over the last seven years. You could easily prove right now that you are not lazy, you have been watching and you don't have superficial knowledge.
How do you interpret lazy and one with superficial knowledge directed towards you. In a response directly quoting you?
And as far as a sun clad woman. I interpret that as . She represents Isreal and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes. Her child is the messiah. Then Satan tried to devour the child. Thus why Jesus and his family fled to Egypt to flee the decree to kill all childern of a certain age. Those things are past. Them the women fled into the wilderness 1260 days. The woman being Isreal. Future. I take that as the jews who come to Jesus will flee into the wilderness (any where outside Palestine) and take shelter with the Christians during the tribulation period.
It is not an actual sign that will be in the heavens it was a vision giving to John. He saw it he wrote it down. For us to read and interpret. We dont see that it was already givin
And as far as a sun clad woman. I interpret that as . She represents Isreal and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes. Her child is the messiah. Then Satan tried to devour the child. Thus why Jesus and his family fled to Egypt to flee the decree to kill all childern of a certain age. Those things are past. Them the women fled into the wilderness 1260 days. The woman being Isreal. Future. I take that as the jews who come to Jesus will flee into the wilderness (any where outside Palestine) and take shelter with the Christians during the tribulation period.
It is not an actual sign that will be in the heavens it was a vision giving to John. He saw it he wrote it down. For us to read and interpret. We dont see that it was already givin
It is a sign that was in the heavens in 2017. It was so rare they determined the last time we saw anything even remotely similar was at the time of Joseph and the Pharaoh.
Likewise, the writing on the wall sign is also something that was in the heavens from 2017 to 2024. Three solar eclipses wrote out "Alpha and Omega" on the US. That was something that has never been recorded happening in the US before and we don't know enough about the sign that Daniel saw to know if it compares with that.
This is my point, incredible signs are taking place today, in the heavens, signs that were prophesied in the Bible, signs that the Lord told us to look up and watch for, and no one in Christianity even knows anything about them. However, I have gone into great detail about both signs on this blog.
I would also point out there is no excuse for it. Anyone quoting the Lord saying "no one knows the day or hour" was reading the same verses where He commanded us to watch. Why isn't Christianity emphasizing the fact that we need to watch rather than erroneously teaching people not to watch because no one knows.
Likewise, the writing on the wall sign is also something that was in the heavens from 2017 to 2024. Three solar eclipses wrote out "Alpha and Omega" on the US. That was something that has never been recorded happening in the US before and we don't know enough about the sign that Daniel saw to know if it compares with that.
This is my point, incredible signs are taking place today, in the heavens, signs that were prophesied in the Bible, signs that the Lord told us to look up and watch for, and no one in Christianity even knows anything about them. However, I have gone into great detail about both signs on this blog.
I would also point out there is no excuse for it. Anyone quoting the Lord saying "no one knows the day or hour" was reading the same verses where He commanded us to watch. Why isn't Christianity emphasizing the fact that we need to watch rather than erroneously teaching people not to watch because no one knows.
I'm gonna tackle these one at a time. The star configurations take roughly 27000 years to be exactly the same again. Its the time it takes us to circle our galaxy. So the only thing similar would have been the placement of the moon and sun relative to the stars. being under the feet and behind the back of virgo. Second Virgo is not pregnant in the constellation an never has been. Third where is the crown of 12 stars? 4th how did you see the stars while the sun was still out.
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Ok the second one i had to read about an in the ten short minutes I had. It borderline reminds me of debating with a flat earther. Per nasa it happens on average of 375 years. So half less half more. Needless to say it has happened before. The alpha sign to be completed in 2026 and the omega sign in 2017. Why did the omega come before the alpha?
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You have no idea what you are talking about. The revelation 12 sign included 4 planets, one of which was Jupiter which was in the womb of virgo for 9 months after a comet from the Lion shot into her, appearing to impregnate Virgo. That is not going to be replicated in 27,000 years.
As for the Writing on the wall sign three lunar eclipses crossed the continental US writing out the letters Alpha and Omega (actually Aleph Tav, Hebrew). A book has been written interpreting this sign because the cities and towns under the totality of the eclipse is very significant to the interpretation.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
As for the Writing on the wall sign three lunar eclipses crossed the continental US writing out the letters Alpha and Omega (actually Aleph Tav, Hebrew). A book has been written interpreting this sign because the cities and towns under the totality of the eclipse is very significant to the interpretation.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. The Aleph was written before the Tav. Second, it is about once in a hundred years that we have a solar eclipse fully traverse across a continent. These three fully traversed across the US in a seven year period. Any statistical analysis will show the odds of that happening is far greater than once every 375 years. The last time this happened in the US was in the 1800s, not three but two solar eclipses making an X prior to the Civil war.
There is no recorded example of NASA or anyone else saying this ever happened over the US before.
The three eclipses were from 2017 to 2024. The one in 2017 was a straight line, not a Tav and the sign was completed in 2024. Again, you are clueless about what you are talking about.
There is no recorded example of NASA or anyone else saying this ever happened over the US before.
The three eclipses were from 2017 to 2024. The one in 2017 was a straight line, not a Tav and the sign was completed in 2024. Again, you are clueless about what you are talking about.
You are right I am clueless. The 10 minute video i watch and it took everything i had to watch. Is the only knowledge i have on the subject. Consisted of a man pretending to speak in scripture while describing the events. So those 10 minutes of my life are gone and I will not revisit that subject. In all honesty that x dont look like the symbol for tau. Not even close. Its a case of seing things you want that dont exist. Why didn't you respond about the virgo post?
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post-trib? Here is my conclusion of pre-trib for The Body Of Christ,
Ending The Current Dispensation of The Grace Of God:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
Ending The Current Dispensation of The Grace Of God:
God's Great GRACE Departure!
Amen.
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Why? All you have to do is search for "Revelation 12 sign". I will post a link.
I don't tell people what to do, you can do as you please. But I am not going to have someone tell me they are watching the signs just as Jesus commanded when they clearly are not.
Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
I understand that most in Christianity do not want to look at the stars, but the beauty is that no one can deceive you, only God controls the sun, moon and stars, so they are a sign in the heavens that God put there.
Matthew 24:42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Here is the verse about not knowing the day of the Lord's coming, the point is we must watch. That is the Lord's command. I did not know anything about the stars or the signs in the heavens, but I had to learn because the Lord told me to watch.
Matthew 25:13 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
You admitted you don't know the day or the hour, that means you should be watching, instead you tell me you are refusing to watch.
Mark 8:15 “Be careful,” Jesus warned them. “Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod.”
That is the traditional teaching of Christianity. They are teaching people not to watch. Jesus warned us about this.
Mark 13:35 Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
Do you think Jesus will be happy with those who are not watching when He returns?
Mark 13:37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!
Don't fall for the excuse that watching is someone else's job.
Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Why would anyone assume that they will be able to escape in the rapture? Look at the word from the Lord, it is not Biblical to assume if you are not watching and praying that will still be able to escape.
I don't tell people what to do, you can do as you please. But I am not going to have someone tell me they are watching the signs just as Jesus commanded when they clearly are not.
Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
I understand that most in Christianity do not want to look at the stars, but the beauty is that no one can deceive you, only God controls the sun, moon and stars, so they are a sign in the heavens that God put there.
Matthew 24:42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Here is the verse about not knowing the day of the Lord's coming, the point is we must watch. That is the Lord's command. I did not know anything about the stars or the signs in the heavens, but I had to learn because the Lord told me to watch.
Matthew 25:13 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
You admitted you don't know the day or the hour, that means you should be watching, instead you tell me you are refusing to watch.
Mark 8:15 “Be careful,” Jesus warned them. “Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and that of Herod.”
That is the traditional teaching of Christianity. They are teaching people not to watch. Jesus warned us about this.
Mark 13:35 Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back—whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
Do you think Jesus will be happy with those who are not watching when He returns?
Mark 13:37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: ‘Watch!
Don't fall for the excuse that watching is someone else's job.
Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
Why would anyone assume that they will be able to escape in the rapture? Look at the word from the Lord, it is not Biblical to assume if you are not watching and praying that will still be able to escape.