Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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Posts #9141 -- #9144 are showing a fantastic sign in the heavens that will take place at the Feast of Trumpets this September.
It looks just like the Revelation 12 sign, but with a few problems.
1. Do we really think the manchild that is to rule the nations is signified by a comet that says "child" rather than Jupiter the King planet?
2. Are we really going to ignore the 12 stars that she is supposed to be crowned with?
3. Are we going to ignore the fact that the Revelation 12 sign in 2017 appeared to be the same sign that they saw at the time of Adam and Eve indicating that Jesus would crush the head of the serpent? The very first prophecy of Jesus in the Bible?
4. Do we really think that the manchild was a twin with the United Nations, another asteroid that is birthed at the same time?
5. The Revelation 12 sign in 2017 had a conception comet that came from Leo into Virgo at the same time that Jupiter entered the womb and was there in Virgo's womb for 9 months. Are we going to ignore that?
That said it is undeniably a sign from the heavens to us. declaring the glory of God. Despite the flaws I just mentioned it is an excellent facsimile of the Revelation 12 sign, that is undeniable. I would say it is a world class counterfeit. The Antichrist does not mean "against Christ" but rather a counterfeit Christ instead of Christ. The term Christ means anointed one and refers to someone who is anointed by God to be king.
We have always felt that the Antichrist would come forth on the Feast of Trumpets to be a counterfeit of Jesus, and since Jesus had signs in the heavens it is only fair that he also gets signs in the heavens.
However, before Jesus came forth and began His ministry He was baptized, the spirit descended upon Him and then He was thrust out into the wilderness to fast for 40 days. The Spirit descending on Jesus would be appropriate in the month of Av, the month of the Spirit. I now lean on the idea that the the Feast of New Wine is the 15th of Av, not the 8th as we previously calculated (which I consider to be miscalculated because you are to count seven complete sabbaths, and Shavuot is on the first day of the week, so that week would not be a "complete Sabbath". This would also mean that Passover, Shavuot, Feast of New Wine and Tabernacles are all on a Full moon, hence the Hebrew's equating "appointed time" with "full moon".
So if the rapture is on the 15th of Av, as a completion of the feast of New Wine, then that would be the "baptism" of the Antichrist, there would be a few days of darkness followed by 40 days, followed by this meeting of the UN. He will have a perverted gospel, the great delusion, which could include these signs in the heavens.
I am still looking for the Feast of New wine to fully come, which is 9am in Jerusalem.
[…the priests shall] drink there first and the Levites [second] [and after them all the Israeli]tes; the princes of the banners firt [and the prince of the people at their he[ad], and after them all the people, from the oldest [t]o [the youngest] shall begin to drink new wine and to eat grapes and the unripe fruit from the vines, [because] [on this da]y they shall atone for the new wine.
The ritual of the day includes the drinking of wine beginning with the priests and moves down the social hierarchy. After this ritual, the new wine may be drunk and grapes consumed. This is in keeping with the law of new grain (Lev 23:14), which can only be consumed after the offering of the first sheaf (omer).
The text describes this as “atoning” (כפר) for the wine, a word which only appears with regard to Yom HaKippurim in the Leviticus 23. Here it seems meant to explain the permission granted the Israelites to consume the new produce (in this case wine), which was ostensibly forbidden until this festival, just as Leviticus prescribes for grain.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-three-shavuot-festivals-of-qumran-wheat-wine-and-oil
There is an order to drinking the wine, you start with the priests and you move from oldest to youngest in terms of maturity. The Lord says that this "atones" for the new wine.
Now let's consider our experience. On Pentecost we had 120 speaking in tongues. Everyone else is wondering what is going on. There are 24 priestly divisions so 120 would represent five people representing each of these 24 divisions. Five represents our work and these 120 were declaring the great works of God. These were the first ones to drink the wine of the Holy Spirit. Some assumed they were drunk, everyone was confused, but after they drank others became more comfortable drinking and so this "new wine" was consumed from oldest to the youngest. This is the way it is with all things that are new. The children will look to the adults and the adults will look to the priests. But, on these days a tithe must be given to God. The feast of Firstfruits was when those raised from the dead at Jesus resurrection were offered to God as a tithe. Jesus took these ones with Him to sanctify the temple in heaven for a week, and then He appeared the second time. In the same way we can expect a rapture on Shavuot, New Wine and New oil. But not necessarily in that order. Wheat must be crushed under the tribulum, an instrument for removing the husk from the grains of wheat. That is what the tribulation does. At Shavuot they wave two loaves which I think represents Jews and Gentiles. I think it may refer to the tribulation saints.
In the bible the use of wine has two diametrically opposite meanings. You have the cup of wrath and you have the cup of blessing. The church age began at Pentecost so it makes sense that it ends on Pentecost as well. Jesus said He wouldn't drink from the vine again until He drinks it new with us in the kingdom. That sounds like the wedding feast and it sounds like it takes place on the Feast of New Wine.
As for the new oil, that sounds like the two olive trees, the ones the foolish virgins are told to go to in order to buy oil.
But if I am wrong it will be very clear in the next 24-48 hours. What I would say is at the moment this appears to me to be a confirmation that Agenda 2030 is the covenant that Daniel was talking about that will signal the start of the 70th week.
It looks just like the Revelation 12 sign, but with a few problems.
1. Do we really think the manchild that is to rule the nations is signified by a comet that says "child" rather than Jupiter the King planet?
2. Are we really going to ignore the 12 stars that she is supposed to be crowned with?
3. Are we going to ignore the fact that the Revelation 12 sign in 2017 appeared to be the same sign that they saw at the time of Adam and Eve indicating that Jesus would crush the head of the serpent? The very first prophecy of Jesus in the Bible?
4. Do we really think that the manchild was a twin with the United Nations, another asteroid that is birthed at the same time?
5. The Revelation 12 sign in 2017 had a conception comet that came from Leo into Virgo at the same time that Jupiter entered the womb and was there in Virgo's womb for 9 months. Are we going to ignore that?
That said it is undeniably a sign from the heavens to us. declaring the glory of God. Despite the flaws I just mentioned it is an excellent facsimile of the Revelation 12 sign, that is undeniable. I would say it is a world class counterfeit. The Antichrist does not mean "against Christ" but rather a counterfeit Christ instead of Christ. The term Christ means anointed one and refers to someone who is anointed by God to be king.
We have always felt that the Antichrist would come forth on the Feast of Trumpets to be a counterfeit of Jesus, and since Jesus had signs in the heavens it is only fair that he also gets signs in the heavens.
However, before Jesus came forth and began His ministry He was baptized, the spirit descended upon Him and then He was thrust out into the wilderness to fast for 40 days. The Spirit descending on Jesus would be appropriate in the month of Av, the month of the Spirit. I now lean on the idea that the the Feast of New Wine is the 15th of Av, not the 8th as we previously calculated (which I consider to be miscalculated because you are to count seven complete sabbaths, and Shavuot is on the first day of the week, so that week would not be a "complete Sabbath". This would also mean that Passover, Shavuot, Feast of New Wine and Tabernacles are all on a Full moon, hence the Hebrew's equating "appointed time" with "full moon".
So if the rapture is on the 15th of Av, as a completion of the feast of New Wine, then that would be the "baptism" of the Antichrist, there would be a few days of darkness followed by 40 days, followed by this meeting of the UN. He will have a perverted gospel, the great delusion, which could include these signs in the heavens.
I am still looking for the Feast of New wine to fully come, which is 9am in Jerusalem.
[…the priests shall] drink there first and the Levites [second] [and after them all the Israeli]tes; the princes of the banners fir
The children of Israel shall rejoice in YHWH’s pre[sence]. It is an eternal [statute] for their generations in all their dwelling places. They shall rejoice on [this d]ay at the appointed ti[me when] they shall pour out a libation of drink, a new wine, over the altar of YHWH, year by year. (21:4-10)
The ritual of the day includes the drinking of wine beginning with the priests and moves down the social hierarchy. After this ritual, the new wine may be drunk and grapes consumed. This is in keeping with the law of new grain (Lev 23:14), which can only be consumed after the offering of the first sheaf (omer).
The text describes this as “atoning” (כפר) for the wine, a word which only appears with regard to Yom HaKippurim in the Leviticus 23. Here it seems meant to explain the permission granted the Israelites to consume the new produce (in this case wine), which was ostensibly forbidden until this festival, just as Leviticus prescribes for grain.
https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-three-shavuot-festivals-of-qumran-wheat-wine-and-oil
There is an order to drinking the wine, you start with the priests and you move from oldest to youngest in terms of maturity. The Lord says that this "atones" for the new wine.
Now let's consider our experience. On Pentecost we had 120 speaking in tongues. Everyone else is wondering what is going on. There are 24 priestly divisions so 120 would represent five people representing each of these 24 divisions. Five represents our work and these 120 were declaring the great works of God. These were the first ones to drink the wine of the Holy Spirit. Some assumed they were drunk, everyone was confused, but after they drank others became more comfortable drinking and so this "new wine" was consumed from oldest to the youngest. This is the way it is with all things that are new. The children will look to the adults and the adults will look to the priests. But, on these days a tithe must be given to God. The feast of Firstfruits was when those raised from the dead at Jesus resurrection were offered to God as a tithe. Jesus took these ones with Him to sanctify the temple in heaven for a week, and then He appeared the second time. In the same way we can expect a rapture on Shavuot, New Wine and New oil. But not necessarily in that order. Wheat must be crushed under the tribulum, an instrument for removing the husk from the grains of wheat. That is what the tribulation does. At Shavuot they wave two loaves which I think represents Jews and Gentiles. I think it may refer to the tribulation saints.
In the bible the use of wine has two diametrically opposite meanings. You have the cup of wrath and you have the cup of blessing. The church age began at Pentecost so it makes sense that it ends on Pentecost as well. Jesus said He wouldn't drink from the vine again until He drinks it new with us in the kingdom. That sounds like the wedding feast and it sounds like it takes place on the Feast of New Wine.
As for the new oil, that sounds like the two olive trees, the ones the foolish virgins are told to go to in order to buy oil.
But if I am wrong it will be very clear in the next 24-48 hours. What I would say is at the moment this appears to me to be a confirmation that Agenda 2030 is the covenant that Daniel was talking about that will signal the start of the 70th week.
21 Nations Including Our Allies Are Now Dumping US Debt At An Alarming Rate
On July 18th the US Department of The Treasury revealed that the top foreign holders of U.S. Treasury bonds / debt are selling off their holdings at an alarming rate.
Japan, which is #1 holder reduced its U.S. Treasury bonds by $30.4 billion in May.
China reduced its holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds by $22.2 billion in May. This marks the second consecutive month of reduction and brings its total holdings close to the historical low of 801.5 billion dollars.
China has been steadily reducing its holdings since August of last year.
But here is the surprising news that everyone should start paying attention to.
In April at least 19 countries globally have sold off U.S. Treasury bonds leading to a reversal in the flow of funds invested in U.S. Securities.
We know about China and Japan.
But …
Why this is interesting is The Caymans and Bermuda are two island states that so many companies and individuals have “offshore accounts. In fact, if you have ever been to the Caymans, all you see are bank offices everywhere. So even banking nations are fleeing US debt / T-bills.
Even strong allies like the UK which is the third largest holder of U.S. Treasury bonds sold off $14.1 billion in May marking the second consecutive month of US debt reduction, with a total sell off of $44.5 billion for April and May combined.
Australia also sold off U.S. Treasury bonds for the second consecutive month selling $6.5 billion in May representing a sell off rate of 11%.
Israel sold off $3.8 billion in April and May reducing its holdings from the peak of $69 billion in December 2021 to $43.5 billion. Israel has been in a continuous state of selling off US debt.
Saudi Arabia sold off $4.9 billion in May and Saudi Arabia’s holdings have declined from a peak of $184.4 billion two years ago to $111.3 billion with a cumulative net sell off of $73.1 billion a sell off rate of around 40%.
The UAE sold off $1.2 billion of U.S. Treasury bonds in May.
Iraq has been selling off U.S. Treasury bonds continuously since February, which is no surprise with a total of $8.5 billion representing a 21% sell off rate with only $32.7 billion U.S. debt held.
https://raymondmhor.com/2023/07/21-nations-are-now-dumping-us-debt/
On July 18th the US Department of The Treasury revealed that the top foreign holders of U.S. Treasury bonds / debt are selling off their holdings at an alarming rate.
Japan, which is #1 holder reduced its U.S. Treasury bonds by $30.4 billion in May.
China reduced its holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds by $22.2 billion in May. This marks the second consecutive month of reduction and brings its total holdings close to the historical low of 801.5 billion dollars.
China has been steadily reducing its holdings since August of last year.
But here is the surprising news that everyone should start paying attention to.
In April at least 19 countries globally have sold off U.S. Treasury bonds leading to a reversal in the flow of funds invested in U.S. Securities.
We know about China and Japan.
But …
- the UK
- Belgium
- India
- Norway
- Saudi Arabia
- Netherlands
- The UAE
- Thailand
- Spain
- Australia
- Philippines
- Israel
- Sweden
- Colombia
- Vietnam
- Iraq
- And the Bahamas among others have sold off U.S. Treasury bonds to varying degrees.
Why this is interesting is The Caymans and Bermuda are two island states that so many companies and individuals have “offshore accounts. In fact, if you have ever been to the Caymans, all you see are bank offices everywhere. So even banking nations are fleeing US debt / T-bills.
Even strong allies like the UK which is the third largest holder of U.S. Treasury bonds sold off $14.1 billion in May marking the second consecutive month of US debt reduction, with a total sell off of $44.5 billion for April and May combined.
Australia also sold off U.S. Treasury bonds for the second consecutive month selling $6.5 billion in May representing a sell off rate of 11%.
Israel sold off $3.8 billion in April and May reducing its holdings from the peak of $69 billion in December 2021 to $43.5 billion. Israel has been in a continuous state of selling off US debt.
Saudi Arabia sold off $4.9 billion in May and Saudi Arabia’s holdings have declined from a peak of $184.4 billion two years ago to $111.3 billion with a cumulative net sell off of $73.1 billion a sell off rate of around 40%.
The UAE sold off $1.2 billion of U.S. Treasury bonds in May.
Iraq has been selling off U.S. Treasury bonds continuously since February, which is no surprise with a total of $8.5 billion representing a 21% sell off rate with only $32.7 billion U.S. debt held.
https://raymondmhor.com/2023/07/21-nations-are-now-dumping-us-debt/
Calendar Confusion
More than a year ago I prayed to the Lord and told Him I needed help with all this calendar confusion. That night I had a very strange dream, I am sitting in the living room of a pastor I had many years ago, I have been given an assignment to work on by three elders, I feel like I can handle this no problem but they have doubtful looks on their face indicating they knew I couldn't do it without help. I then leave the house and discover my car has a big dent in the left rear quarter panel. However, as I am looking at this closely I realize this car is a Nisan (I had a Honda), so not my car. Then when I get to my car the lid to the trunk has been taken apart and is sticking out the back of the trunk and this crazy guy is the "driver" of the car. He assures me he had to take it apart and all the pieces are in the trunk so I tell him to take us home and we'll put it back together there. When I wake up I am watching a video on youtube and immediately recognize Dr. Barry Awe as the crazy guy that was driving my car. I have shared all this before, what I just realized today is that the dented Nisan, obviously a play on words with the first month in the Jewish calendar, is a reference to Repoman 64. His ministry is focused on showing how the first day of the year is off (dented).
There is one key principle that I have learned. The Lord is knitting us all together, we need every member of the body, God is not going to give all the pieces of the puzzle to any one brother or sister, we will all have a part in solving this puzzle.
As a result I am impressed with the signs that are in the heavens this Feast of Trumpets and I agree 100% this is not a coincidence and it is something God has done. However, the church is not a twin with the UN, that would be the Antichrist. Also the church is not depicted by an asteroid, that also would be Antichrist. An astroid fly's around the solar system until one day it crashes and burns. You may want to think that Jupiter being born out of Virgo in 2017 depicts Jesus, the King, who was crucified for us. That doesn't make sense to me, why have a sign 2,000 years after the fact. Instead I would argue that it represented the manchild who was crucified with Christ, that expresses Christ, and that is bone of His bones and flesh of His flesh.
More than a year ago I prayed to the Lord and told Him I needed help with all this calendar confusion. That night I had a very strange dream, I am sitting in the living room of a pastor I had many years ago, I have been given an assignment to work on by three elders, I feel like I can handle this no problem but they have doubtful looks on their face indicating they knew I couldn't do it without help. I then leave the house and discover my car has a big dent in the left rear quarter panel. However, as I am looking at this closely I realize this car is a Nisan (I had a Honda), so not my car. Then when I get to my car the lid to the trunk has been taken apart and is sticking out the back of the trunk and this crazy guy is the "driver" of the car. He assures me he had to take it apart and all the pieces are in the trunk so I tell him to take us home and we'll put it back together there. When I wake up I am watching a video on youtube and immediately recognize Dr. Barry Awe as the crazy guy that was driving my car. I have shared all this before, what I just realized today is that the dented Nisan, obviously a play on words with the first month in the Jewish calendar, is a reference to Repoman 64. His ministry is focused on showing how the first day of the year is off (dented).
There is one key principle that I have learned. The Lord is knitting us all together, we need every member of the body, God is not going to give all the pieces of the puzzle to any one brother or sister, we will all have a part in solving this puzzle.
As a result I am impressed with the signs that are in the heavens this Feast of Trumpets and I agree 100% this is not a coincidence and it is something God has done. However, the church is not a twin with the UN, that would be the Antichrist. Also the church is not depicted by an asteroid, that also would be Antichrist. An astroid fly's around the solar system until one day it crashes and burns. You may want to think that Jupiter being born out of Virgo in 2017 depicts Jesus, the King, who was crucified for us. That doesn't make sense to me, why have a sign 2,000 years after the fact. Instead I would argue that it represented the manchild who was crucified with Christ, that expresses Christ, and that is bone of His bones and flesh of His flesh.
Could this be a 3 day warning!
When Jesus was crucified the graves were opened. But they did not rise up out of the graves until three days later when Jesus rose up.
There was an earthquake when Jesus was crucified. So, my question is could the 3 Gorges dam burst and a large earthquake swallow the water three days before the rapture? We know that when the sixth seal is opened there is a great earthquake, but could that earthquake be 3 days before the rapture?
When Jesus was crucified the graves were opened. But they did not rise up out of the graves until three days later when Jesus rose up.
There was an earthquake when Jesus was crucified. So, my question is could the 3 Gorges dam burst and a large earthquake swallow the water three days before the rapture? We know that when the sixth seal is opened there is a great earthquake, but could that earthquake be 3 days before the rapture?
The same law that condemns you will be the one that will also save you
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
Are there people who have heard from God? Perhaps in a dream or a vision? Maybe their prayers were answered? We have many instances of this in the Bible. So let's say this is your experience. Wouldn't you want the oracles of God? Imagine how confusing it would be to have God speaking to you in a world where no one else knows God. It would be like floating in the middle of the ocean. You are alive, but for how long? But finding a people with the oracles of God would be like finding a boat where they pull you out of that sea.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy words,
And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
When you get on this boat guess what, you will discover that some of the Jews that were born and raised with the oracles of God are without faith. So what, you have faith, you discovered God, and now you have the oracles of God, and you can find some of the people on this boat do have faith. Your situation just went from hopeless to full of hope.
5 But if our unrighteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath? (I speak after the manner of men.) 6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
God is working to deliver us from sin. It is a given that we are all in sin, no one has any advantage over anyone else. In order to rescue us He has thrown us a lifeline, the word of God, the gospel of our salvation, which includes being delivered from sin. If we grab the lifeline it proves we do not want to be sinners. If we refuse the lifeline it proves that we do want to be sinners. This is God's righteousness, He judges according to the heart.
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
We have brothers and sisters who were notorious sinners before being pulled out. Saul of Tarsus was consenting to the death of Steven. Murderers, pimps, prostitutes, and all sorts of sinners have been pulled out. But the fact that they grabbed hold of the lifeline and they repented of their sinful life tells you what their heart is. If I love the Lord and pursue the Lord why do you judge me as though I loved the world and pursued sin?
8 and why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.
Think how absurd that is. I am now pursuing the Lord, not evil. I have repudiated the works of darkness. If I fall and sin I confess and repent. Fifty years ago I did horrible sins, today the things I repent of I would not have even considered as sin fifty years ago. A curse word, that would be devastating to me. Just speaking in a tone that the Lord does not approve of would cause me to repent today.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we before laid to the charge both of Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God;
12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not so much as one:
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit:
The poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
That is the cess pool that I was rescued from. That is the cess pool that we all were rescued from. Anyone who pretends to be holier than thou in that cess pool is simply a bigger liar and more deceitful than thou. God judges the hearts and pride is the one thing you want to get rid of because you will suffer greatly for any pride you hold onto.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God: 20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.
There is only one way to the Father, only one way to the throne room of God and that is Jesus Christ. Unless you die to your self and your flesh and your old man you cannot be saved. My goal as a Christian is to be someone like Elijah who when he prays God answers the prayers. God is not going to answer your prayers because you are telling him about the good works you have done. The only way God answers your prayers is if you are justified, and the only way you can be justified for your sins is if you paid the full price for them, and that price is the blood of Jesus. You are not justified by the sweat of your own brow, you are justified by the blood of the lamb who gave His life for you.
21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
A lot of people are confused by "there is no distinction". Really, no distinction between a murderer and a guy who stole and another who lied? Paul's sin was very great and as a result Acts talks about him having to suffer quite a bit in the flesh. Jesus tells a Pharisee that if he forgives one person who only owes him a little and another who owes him a lot, the one who was forgiven the most will love the most. No, there is a distinction in sins, and there is a distinction in punishments. Take a guy who is a convicted felon, he must go to prison for life, but while in prison he gets saved. That doesn't mean he gets to walk out of the prison. His mission field will now be in that prison. No, the point is there is no distinction in how you are to deal with your sin. Everyone, regardless big sin or small sin, must offer a sin offering and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. Suppose you want to buy a car. The car dealers sells little cheap cars for $12,000, and cars for $30,000 and for $60,000 and for $100,000. There is no distinction in the process that you go through to buy the car. The amount you pay is different, but the process is the same. Paul had to pay $100,000 but the blood of Jesus was more than enough, you may only pay $12,000 but you are broke and the only way you can pay is with the blood of Jesus.
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.
Paul doesn't get to boast about his $100,000 faith, because he didn't earn it by his own work rather Jesus was the one who paid the price.
28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
If you are born a Jew and embrace the faith, and hold to the covenant that God made with you then you are justified by that faith. On the other hand if you are a gang member who sold drugs, murdered people, and did all kinds of heinous things but have since repented and embraced the Lord we see the change in you through the faith that you are living out.
31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
This is why we need the oracles of God. The law tells us that if we sin, and all have sinned, we need to give God a sin offering in order to be forgiven. We also will have to pay restitution. The Lord giving Himself as our sin offering is not making the law of none effect it is establishing the law. Yes Jesus loves you and died that you could be saved. But unless you receive that sacrifice and take the Lord's blood to wash you of your sins then you will be judged as a sinner by the same law that would have saved you had you taken the Lord's sacrificial offering.
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of God.
Are there people who have heard from God? Perhaps in a dream or a vision? Maybe their prayers were answered? We have many instances of this in the Bible. So let's say this is your experience. Wouldn't you want the oracles of God? Imagine how confusing it would be to have God speaking to you in a world where no one else knows God. It would be like floating in the middle of the ocean. You are alive, but for how long? But finding a people with the oracles of God would be like finding a boat where they pull you out of that sea.
3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of God? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy words,
And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.
When you get on this boat guess what, you will discover that some of the Jews that were born and raised with the oracles of God are without faith. So what, you have faith, you discovered God, and now you have the oracles of God, and you can find some of the people on this boat do have faith. Your situation just went from hopeless to full of hope.
5 But if our unrighteousness commendeth the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who visiteth with wrath? (I speak after the manner of men.) 6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
God is working to deliver us from sin. It is a given that we are all in sin, no one has any advantage over anyone else. In order to rescue us He has thrown us a lifeline, the word of God, the gospel of our salvation, which includes being delivered from sin. If we grab the lifeline it proves we do not want to be sinners. If we refuse the lifeline it proves that we do want to be sinners. This is God's righteousness, He judges according to the heart.
7 But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?
We have brothers and sisters who were notorious sinners before being pulled out. Saul of Tarsus was consenting to the death of Steven. Murderers, pimps, prostitutes, and all sorts of sinners have been pulled out. But the fact that they grabbed hold of the lifeline and they repented of their sinful life tells you what their heart is. If I love the Lord and pursue the Lord why do you judge me as though I loved the world and pursued sin?
8 and why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.
Think how absurd that is. I am now pursuing the Lord, not evil. I have repudiated the works of darkness. If I fall and sin I confess and repent. Fifty years ago I did horrible sins, today the things I repent of I would not have even considered as sin fifty years ago. A curse word, that would be devastating to me. Just speaking in a tone that the Lord does not approve of would cause me to repent today.
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we before laid to the charge both of Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God;
12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable;
There is none that doeth good, no, not so much as one:
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre;
With their tongues they have used deceit:
The poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
That is the cess pool that I was rescued from. That is the cess pool that we all were rescued from. Anyone who pretends to be holier than thou in that cess pool is simply a bigger liar and more deceitful than thou. God judges the hearts and pride is the one thing you want to get rid of because you will suffer greatly for any pride you hold onto.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God: 20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.
There is only one way to the Father, only one way to the throne room of God and that is Jesus Christ. Unless you die to your self and your flesh and your old man you cannot be saved. My goal as a Christian is to be someone like Elijah who when he prays God answers the prayers. God is not going to answer your prayers because you are telling him about the good works you have done. The only way God answers your prayers is if you are justified, and the only way you can be justified for your sins is if you paid the full price for them, and that price is the blood of Jesus. You are not justified by the sweat of your own brow, you are justified by the blood of the lamb who gave His life for you.
21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
A lot of people are confused by "there is no distinction". Really, no distinction between a murderer and a guy who stole and another who lied? Paul's sin was very great and as a result Acts talks about him having to suffer quite a bit in the flesh. Jesus tells a Pharisee that if he forgives one person who only owes him a little and another who owes him a lot, the one who was forgiven the most will love the most. No, there is a distinction in sins, and there is a distinction in punishments. Take a guy who is a convicted felon, he must go to prison for life, but while in prison he gets saved. That doesn't mean he gets to walk out of the prison. His mission field will now be in that prison. No, the point is there is no distinction in how you are to deal with your sin. Everyone, regardless big sin or small sin, must offer a sin offering and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. Suppose you want to buy a car. The car dealers sells little cheap cars for $12,000, and cars for $30,000 and for $60,000 and for $100,000. There is no distinction in the process that you go through to buy the car. The amount you pay is different, but the process is the same. Paul had to pay $100,000 but the blood of Jesus was more than enough, you may only pay $12,000 but you are broke and the only way you can pay is with the blood of Jesus.
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.
Paul doesn't get to boast about his $100,000 faith, because he didn't earn it by his own work rather Jesus was the one who paid the price.
28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
If you are born a Jew and embrace the faith, and hold to the covenant that God made with you then you are justified by that faith. On the other hand if you are a gang member who sold drugs, murdered people, and did all kinds of heinous things but have since repented and embraced the Lord we see the change in you through the faith that you are living out.
31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.
This is why we need the oracles of God. The law tells us that if we sin, and all have sinned, we need to give God a sin offering in order to be forgiven. We also will have to pay restitution. The Lord giving Himself as our sin offering is not making the law of none effect it is establishing the law. Yes Jesus loves you and died that you could be saved. But unless you receive that sacrifice and take the Lord's blood to wash you of your sins then you will be judged as a sinner by the same law that would have saved you had you taken the Lord's sacrificial offering.
2023
Matthew 20:23 He saith unto them, My cup indeed ye shall drink: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left hand, is not mine to give; but it is for them for whom it hath been prepared of my Father.
It looks like this will be the year when we get the rapture. Some will be taken to the wedding feast and some will be shut out. Regardless we all should realize that the path that is prepared for us is out of love from God the Father that we might be perfect and fully equipped and might be able to stand before God, praising His name and rejoicing in His goodness.
Luke 20:23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
Have you perceived the craftiness of the evil one this year in bringing forth the mark of the beast, implementing one world currency, crashing the US economy, and causing the US, Russia and China to destroy themselves. If you have perceived the craftiness are you speaking the word of God to the lost?
John 20:23 whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
In order to be forgiven you have to bring forth fruits worthy or repentance. Suppose someone was guilty of releasing a bioweapon, covering this up, and then forcing people to take a shot because of your bioweapon that killed massive numbers of people. If that is your sin and now you want to be forgiven there had better be the fruit of repentance. I need a full confession of your sins, and I need to see that you have fully turned from darkness to light.
Acts 20:23 save that the Holy Spirit testifieth unto me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
We used to read about the persecution of Christians in Moslem countries and in China and communist countries. Now we are seeing it everywhere. We see it in Australia, the UK, Canada, and in the US.
Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the customs of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they did all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
The apostate church has ignored this. They do the things that God abhors. We are seeing things this year that we never could have imagined 40 years ago. I grew up with "Father knows best" and "Leave it to Beaver" and "The Andy Griffith Show". The things they teach to children today are things I could never have imagined.
Numbers 20:23 And Jehovah spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the border of the land of Edom, saying,
This has been a year where we have felt we were right on the border, just about to enter the good land, and God has been speaking to us amazing new revelation.
Judges 20:23 And the children of Israel went up and wept before Jehovah until even; and they asked of Jehovah, saying, Shall I again draw nigh to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother? And Jehovah said, Go up against him.
This is a year of extreme polarization. We have come to realize that we can no longer have a dialogue, can no longer reason logically, but we must take a stand for what we believe is right.
1Sam 20:23 And as touching the matter which thou and I have spoken of, behold, Jehovah is between thee and me for ever.
Despite all this, we are finding brothers and sisters standing together and rejecting the lies, the innuendos, the smear campaign.
1Kings 20:23 And the servants of the king of Syria said unto him, Their god is a god of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we: but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.
Amazingly we are seeing the populist movement win against all odds. The expression of "go woke and go broke" has been played out over and over again. The Main Stream Media has taken hit after hit as populists like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson hold tremendous sway and influence.
Job 20:23 When he is about to fill his belly, God will cast the fierceness of his wrath upon him, And will rain it upon him while he is eating.
We believe this will be a year in which God's wrath and judgement will be poured out just as in the days of Noah.
Proverbs 20:23 Diverse weights are an abomination to Jehovah; And a false balance is not good.
It is abundantly clear that there is a false balance being applied to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden compared to any other American and certainly when compared with Donald Trump.
Ezekiel 20:23 Moreover I sware unto them in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the nations, and disperse them through the countries;
We have seen that the judgement that will come on the Great Babylon will scatter them just as God's judgement on Israel scattered them in days past.
Matthew 20:23 He saith unto them, My cup indeed ye shall drink: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left hand, is not mine to give; but it is for them for whom it hath been prepared of my Father.
It looks like this will be the year when we get the rapture. Some will be taken to the wedding feast and some will be shut out. Regardless we all should realize that the path that is prepared for us is out of love from God the Father that we might be perfect and fully equipped and might be able to stand before God, praising His name and rejoicing in His goodness.
Luke 20:23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
Have you perceived the craftiness of the evil one this year in bringing forth the mark of the beast, implementing one world currency, crashing the US economy, and causing the US, Russia and China to destroy themselves. If you have perceived the craftiness are you speaking the word of God to the lost?
John 20:23 whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
In order to be forgiven you have to bring forth fruits worthy or repentance. Suppose someone was guilty of releasing a bioweapon, covering this up, and then forcing people to take a shot because of your bioweapon that killed massive numbers of people. If that is your sin and now you want to be forgiven there had better be the fruit of repentance. I need a full confession of your sins, and I need to see that you have fully turned from darkness to light.
Acts 20:23 save that the Holy Spirit testifieth unto me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
We used to read about the persecution of Christians in Moslem countries and in China and communist countries. Now we are seeing it everywhere. We see it in Australia, the UK, Canada, and in the US.
Lev 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the customs of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they did all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
The apostate church has ignored this. They do the things that God abhors. We are seeing things this year that we never could have imagined 40 years ago. I grew up with "Father knows best" and "Leave it to Beaver" and "The Andy Griffith Show". The things they teach to children today are things I could never have imagined.
Numbers 20:23 And Jehovah spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the border of the land of Edom, saying,
This has been a year where we have felt we were right on the border, just about to enter the good land, and God has been speaking to us amazing new revelation.
Judges 20:23 And the children of Israel went up and wept before Jehovah until even; and they asked of Jehovah, saying, Shall I again draw nigh to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother? And Jehovah said, Go up against him.
This is a year of extreme polarization. We have come to realize that we can no longer have a dialogue, can no longer reason logically, but we must take a stand for what we believe is right.
1Sam 20:23 And as touching the matter which thou and I have spoken of, behold, Jehovah is between thee and me for ever.
Despite all this, we are finding brothers and sisters standing together and rejecting the lies, the innuendos, the smear campaign.
1Kings 20:23 And the servants of the king of Syria said unto him, Their god is a god of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we: but let us fight against them in the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they.
Amazingly we are seeing the populist movement win against all odds. The expression of "go woke and go broke" has been played out over and over again. The Main Stream Media has taken hit after hit as populists like Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson hold tremendous sway and influence.
Job 20:23 When he is about to fill his belly, God will cast the fierceness of his wrath upon him, And will rain it upon him while he is eating.
We believe this will be a year in which God's wrath and judgement will be poured out just as in the days of Noah.
Proverbs 20:23 Diverse weights are an abomination to Jehovah; And a false balance is not good.
It is abundantly clear that there is a false balance being applied to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden compared to any other American and certainly when compared with Donald Trump.
Ezekiel 20:23 Moreover I sware unto them in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the nations, and disperse them through the countries;
We have seen that the judgement that will come on the Great Babylon will scatter them just as God's judgement on Israel scattered them in days past.
21 Nations Dumping Dollars 08/03/2023
Many of us think that when they switch to this policy we will pull our money out of the bank. Really? Suppose you have direct deposit from your job, how will you get paid if you don't have a bank account. Suppose you have a pension or Social Security which goes to your bank every month, how do you collect that without a bank account.
It is kind of funny if you ignore the gruesome eternal consequences. You worked for forty years, every paycheck you were paying money into Social Security. You thought that this was your retirement account but then they pull the rug out and the only way you can collect your Social Security is if you take the mark of the beast!
And you have to appreciate this because they want to make this digital currency expire if you don't use it. So the money doesn't go to your account that you cannot access, no it will go back to the government and become theirs unless you take the mark of the beast.
Many of us think that when they switch to this policy we will pull our money out of the bank. Really? Suppose you have direct deposit from your job, how will you get paid if you don't have a bank account. Suppose you have a pension or Social Security which goes to your bank every month, how do you collect that without a bank account.
It is kind of funny if you ignore the gruesome eternal consequences. You worked for forty years, every paycheck you were paying money into Social Security. You thought that this was your retirement account but then they pull the rug out and the only way you can collect your Social Security is if you take the mark of the beast!
And you have to appreciate this because they want to make this digital currency expire if you don't use it. So the money doesn't go to your account that you cannot access, no it will go back to the government and become theirs unless you take the mark of the beast.
Is the Sixth Seal the Pre tribulation rapture?
So here is my basis for thinking that the Sixth seal is the rapture.
The Sixth seal
Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the back, close sealed with seven seals.
σφραγίς sphragís, sfrag-ece'; probably strengthened from G5420; a signet (as fencing in or protecting from misappropriation); by implication, the stamp impressed (as a mark of privacy, or genuineness), literally or figuratively:—seal.
For example, the tomb where Jesus was buried was sealed to protect His dead body from being stolen (misappropriated) thus indicating that He had risen from the dead (proving that those who crucified Him because He said He would raise up this temple in three days was referring to His body).
The same word is used to say that Circumcision is a seal of the righteousness of faith (Romans 4:11)
Paul used this word to say that the seal of his apostleship was the believers in the Lord (1Corinthians 9:2)
Paul told us that the foundation of God stands sure having this seal, the Lord knows them that are His. (2Timothy 2:19)
So then, this is the question we have, when did the following verses take place or when will they take place?
Revelation 5:5 and one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not; behold, the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath overcome to open the book and the seven seals thereof. 6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
The word as in “as though it had been slain” is this
ὡς hōs, hoce; probably adverb of comparative from G3739; which how, i.e. in that manner (very variously used, as follows):—about, after (that), (according) as (it had been, it were), as soon (as), even as (like), for, how (greatly), like (as, unto), since, so (that), that, to wit, unto, when(-soever), while, × with all speed.
It indicates when, after, soon after, with all speed, etc. This is not describing Jesus a week after the resurrection showing Thomas the marks in His hand and saying put your hand in and see the wounds. This is saying they see him right after He was slain or as if He had just been slain.
7 And he came, and he taketh it out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, 10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.
This has nothing to do with the church being ready, grown or mature. It has nothing to do with the gospel having gone out into all the earth. This is based solely on the work Jesus did on the cross. So based on this there is no reason to think that John was seeing something that was to take place at the end of the age. He tells us clearly this took place right after Jesus was crucified.
This sealed up document is “the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal”.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
I would argue that this is the first seal. Does the first seal refer to the gospel or to Jesus? I would say it is both. You can’t have a counterfeit Christ unless you have a real Christ, you can’t have a counterfeit gospel which Paul refers to as “another gospel” but actually a perversion of the true gospel, unless you have a true gospel.
1Corinthians 2:7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory:
I would argue this refers to the first five seals. We are told about spiritual warfare, we are told about feeding on the word of God, we are told about keeping ourselves healthy, it is all part of the NT ministry of the apostles.
1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
I would argue this is the rapture, the sixth seal, being unsealed.
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus in behalf of you Gentiles,— 2 if so be that ye have heard of the dispensation of that grace of God which was given me to you-ward; 3 how that by revelation was made known unto me the mystery, as I wrote before in few words, 4 whereby, when ye read, ye can perceive my understanding in the mystery of Christ; 5 which in other generations was not made known unto the sons of men, as it hath now been revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to wit, that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs, and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of that grace of God which was given me according to the working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was this grace given, to preach unto the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery which for ages hath been hid in God who created all things; 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. 13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory.
I argue that this is referring to that scroll that Jesus opened up in the heavens, it was made known to us in the ministry of the Apostle Paul. He calls it the “mystery of the gospel” (Ephesians 6:19). In Colossians he also refers to this as “the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints” (Colossians 1:26). The riches of the glory of this mystery is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Paul talks about the mystery of God, the mystery of Christ, the mystery of lawlessness, the mystery of the faith, and the mystery of godliness. All of this is revealed in that scroll, the title deed that belongs to Jesus.
So here is my basis for thinking that the Sixth seal is the rapture.
The Sixth seal
Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the back, close sealed with seven seals.
σφραγίς sphragís, sfrag-ece'; probably strengthened from G5420; a signet (as fencing in or protecting from misappropriation); by implication, the stamp impressed (as a mark of privacy, or genuineness), literally or figuratively:—seal.
For example, the tomb where Jesus was buried was sealed to protect His dead body from being stolen (misappropriated) thus indicating that He had risen from the dead (proving that those who crucified Him because He said He would raise up this temple in three days was referring to His body).
The same word is used to say that Circumcision is a seal of the righteousness of faith (Romans 4:11)
Paul used this word to say that the seal of his apostleship was the believers in the Lord (1Corinthians 9:2)
Paul told us that the foundation of God stands sure having this seal, the Lord knows them that are His. (2Timothy 2:19)
So then, this is the question we have, when did the following verses take place or when will they take place?
Revelation 5:5 and one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not; behold, the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath overcome to open the book and the seven seals thereof. 6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth.
The word as in “as though it had been slain” is this
ὡς hōs, hoce; probably adverb of comparative from G3739; which how, i.e. in that manner (very variously used, as follows):—about, after (that), (according) as (it had been, it were), as soon (as), even as (like), for, how (greatly), like (as, unto), since, so (that), that, to wit, unto, when(-soever), while, × with all speed.
It indicates when, after, soon after, with all speed, etc. This is not describing Jesus a week after the resurrection showing Thomas the marks in His hand and saying put your hand in and see the wounds. This is saying they see him right after He was slain or as if He had just been slain.
7 And he came, and he taketh it out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having each one a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy art thou to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and didst purchase unto God with thy blood men of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation, 10 and madest them to be unto our God a kingdom and priests; and they reign upon the earth.
This has nothing to do with the church being ready, grown or mature. It has nothing to do with the gospel having gone out into all the earth. This is based solely on the work Jesus did on the cross. So based on this there is no reason to think that John was seeing something that was to take place at the end of the age. He tells us clearly this took place right after Jesus was crucified.
This sealed up document is “the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal”.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
I would argue that this is the first seal. Does the first seal refer to the gospel or to Jesus? I would say it is both. You can’t have a counterfeit Christ unless you have a real Christ, you can’t have a counterfeit gospel which Paul refers to as “another gospel” but actually a perversion of the true gospel, unless you have a true gospel.
1Corinthians 2:7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, even the wisdom that hath been hidden, which God foreordained before the worlds unto our glory:
I would argue this refers to the first five seals. We are told about spiritual warfare, we are told about feeding on the word of God, we are told about keeping ourselves healthy, it is all part of the NT ministry of the apostles.
1Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
I would argue this is the rapture, the sixth seal, being unsealed.
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus in behalf of you Gentiles,— 2 if so be that ye have heard of the dispensation of that grace of God which was given me to you-ward; 3 how that by revelation was made known unto me the mystery, as I wrote before in few words, 4 whereby, when ye read, ye can perceive my understanding in the mystery of Christ; 5 which in other generations was not made known unto the sons of men, as it hath now been revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to wit, that the Gentiles are fellow-heirs, and fellow-members of the body, and fellow-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of that grace of God which was given me according to the working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, was this grace given, to preach unto the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery which for ages hath been hid in God who created all things; 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and the powers in the heavenly places might be made known through the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. 13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory.
I argue that this is referring to that scroll that Jesus opened up in the heavens, it was made known to us in the ministry of the Apostle Paul. He calls it the “mystery of the gospel” (Ephesians 6:19). In Colossians he also refers to this as “the mystery which hath been hid for ages and generations: but now hath it been manifested to his saints” (Colossians 1:26). The riches of the glory of this mystery is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Paul talks about the mystery of God, the mystery of Christ, the mystery of lawlessness, the mystery of the faith, and the mystery of godliness. All of this is revealed in that scroll, the title deed that belongs to Jesus.
Is the Sixth Seal the pre-tribulation rapture? (part 2)
A few questions
1. If the first seal is referring to “The Antichrist” and it is sealed until he is revealed after the rapture, then how come we know the number of his name now? Wouldn’t that have been something that was sealed?
2. If Paul is not talking about this scroll when he talks about all the mysteries that were hidden but are now being made known, what was he talking about?
3. If the only thing that determined whether or not Jesus could open that scroll was the crucifixion, then why wait for two thousand years to open it?
Why do they teach this happens after the rapture?
4 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.
People equate “a door opened in heaven and the voice of a trumpet saying “come up hither” with the rapture. I agree fully, it does equate with the rapture. However, when Jesus “went up to the heavens” he brought with Him the sheaf of first fruit of the Barley harvest from the OT.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
Where did these guys come from? We were told when you die you go to hades, not heaven. Samuel was in Hades when Saul communed with him, he wasn’t in heaven. They came with Jesus when He was raised. This is the sheaf of Barley.
The church age began with a rapture and it will also end with a rapture.
So then why does Revelation 4 say “I will show thee the things which come to pass hereafter”. From this point to the end of Revelation this book is about the things that will come hereafter.
However, this is like a movie that begins with some scene in the past, and then the movie starts by saying “seven years later” or something like that. John makes it very clear he sees Jesus as though He had just been slain. When Stephen saw Him He was on the throne and stood up, He still had the marks of the crucifixion, but didn’t look like He had just been slain. John is giving us the context, everything we are about to see in Revelation was in that scroll that Jesus opened at the beginning of the church age.
We have NT Revelation concerning false Christs, and counterfeit Christs. But much of that revelation is telling us about what will happen hereafter. “I will tell you” is the opening of the seven seals, it is no longer hidden, no longer sealed. How could John give us this revelation if it wasn’t already opened? Only Jesus could open it, no one else and John saw Him open it. So clearly the scroll was opened prior to John giving us the book of Revelation.
If this happened prior to John getting the revelation and writing it down why is the church in heaven?
And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne,
We are told clearly in this book that the lamp stand refers to the church and we are told clearly that at the time Jesus was opening the scroll the Lampstand was there, in the heavens, burning before the throne.
Ephesians 2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:
We are seated together with Christ in the heavens. Saying that is no different than what Paul told us in Ephesians.
Let’s consider the first six seals:
1. Gospel going forth and you have the perverted gospel going forth
2. You have spiritual warfare going on in the heavens and you can see the warfare going on in the earth.
3. You have an effort to feed and nourish all the children of God with the word and through the Bible and you have Satan’s attempt to cause a famine, not just of the word but even physically.
4. You have a healing ministry of the Lord rescuing us from sin and death, and you have Satan attempting to corrupt the world with drugs, pornography, idolatry, etc.
5. You have the testimony of the martyrs throughout the age concerning the unrighteousness of this world and you have the attempt of this evil Satanic system to cover all this up.
Now let’s look at the sixth seal
Revelation 6:12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;
Every time the graves are opened there is a great earthquake. Also, look at Revelation 12, we have this picture of the rapture being the man child being caught up. The dragon spews a flood at God’s people and the earth opens up and swallows it. That happens at the time that the rapture takes place and sounds like a great earthquake.
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood;
That is a reference to a prophecy about the start of the tribulation. We call it the “pretribulation rapture” because it happens before the tribulation starts and is a great sign of the tribulation coming.
13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind.
Again, a prophecy from the Old Testament and a reference to Revelation 12 where there is war in heaven and a third of the angels are cast out of heaven to earth at the time of the rapture.
14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?
Obviously something truly great happens that would cause this reaction from Satanic rulers who are in darkness. This can’t simply be an earthquake or a cataclysmic event. The whole world knows that Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead and at the end of the age there will be another rising from the dead, “the greater things than these” that Jesus referred to. Instead of a few people in Jerusalem seeing this the entire world will see it and tremble.
A few questions
1. If the first seal is referring to “The Antichrist” and it is sealed until he is revealed after the rapture, then how come we know the number of his name now? Wouldn’t that have been something that was sealed?
2. If Paul is not talking about this scroll when he talks about all the mysteries that were hidden but are now being made known, what was he talking about?
3. If the only thing that determined whether or not Jesus could open that scroll was the crucifixion, then why wait for two thousand years to open it?
Why do they teach this happens after the rapture?
4 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, a voice as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.
People equate “a door opened in heaven and the voice of a trumpet saying “come up hither” with the rapture. I agree fully, it does equate with the rapture. However, when Jesus “went up to the heavens” he brought with Him the sheaf of first fruit of the Barley harvest from the OT.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty thrones: and upon the thrones I saw four and twenty elders sitting, arrayed in white garments; and on their heads crowns of gold.
Where did these guys come from? We were told when you die you go to hades, not heaven. Samuel was in Hades when Saul communed with him, he wasn’t in heaven. They came with Jesus when He was raised. This is the sheaf of Barley.
The church age began with a rapture and it will also end with a rapture.
So then why does Revelation 4 say “I will show thee the things which come to pass hereafter”. From this point to the end of Revelation this book is about the things that will come hereafter.
However, this is like a movie that begins with some scene in the past, and then the movie starts by saying “seven years later” or something like that. John makes it very clear he sees Jesus as though He had just been slain. When Stephen saw Him He was on the throne and stood up, He still had the marks of the crucifixion, but didn’t look like He had just been slain. John is giving us the context, everything we are about to see in Revelation was in that scroll that Jesus opened at the beginning of the church age.
We have NT Revelation concerning false Christs, and counterfeit Christs. But much of that revelation is telling us about what will happen hereafter. “I will tell you” is the opening of the seven seals, it is no longer hidden, no longer sealed. How could John give us this revelation if it wasn’t already opened? Only Jesus could open it, no one else and John saw Him open it. So clearly the scroll was opened prior to John giving us the book of Revelation.
If this happened prior to John getting the revelation and writing it down why is the church in heaven?
And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne,
We are told clearly in this book that the lamp stand refers to the church and we are told clearly that at the time Jesus was opening the scroll the Lampstand was there, in the heavens, burning before the throne.
Ephesians 2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:
We are seated together with Christ in the heavens. Saying that is no different than what Paul told us in Ephesians.
Let’s consider the first six seals:
1. Gospel going forth and you have the perverted gospel going forth
2. You have spiritual warfare going on in the heavens and you can see the warfare going on in the earth.
3. You have an effort to feed and nourish all the children of God with the word and through the Bible and you have Satan’s attempt to cause a famine, not just of the word but even physically.
4. You have a healing ministry of the Lord rescuing us from sin and death, and you have Satan attempting to corrupt the world with drugs, pornography, idolatry, etc.
5. You have the testimony of the martyrs throughout the age concerning the unrighteousness of this world and you have the attempt of this evil Satanic system to cover all this up.
Now let’s look at the sixth seal
Revelation 6:12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;
Every time the graves are opened there is a great earthquake. Also, look at Revelation 12, we have this picture of the rapture being the man child being caught up. The dragon spews a flood at God’s people and the earth opens up and swallows it. That happens at the time that the rapture takes place and sounds like a great earthquake.
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the whole moon became as blood;
That is a reference to a prophecy about the start of the tribulation. We call it the “pretribulation rapture” because it happens before the tribulation starts and is a great sign of the tribulation coming.
13 and the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth, as a fig tree casteth her unripe figs when she is shaken of a great wind.
Again, a prophecy from the Old Testament and a reference to Revelation 12 where there is war in heaven and a third of the angels are cast out of heaven to earth at the time of the rapture.
14 And the heaven was removed as a scroll when it is rolled up; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and the chief captains, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman and freeman, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand?
Obviously something truly great happens that would cause this reaction from Satanic rulers who are in darkness. This can’t simply be an earthquake or a cataclysmic event. The whole world knows that Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead and at the end of the age there will be another rising from the dead, “the greater things than these” that Jesus referred to. Instead of a few people in Jerusalem seeing this the entire world will see it and tremble.
(I would have shared this yesterday but was unable to get onto Christian Chat.com)
Official Proclamation of Antichrist's Time 7-11- 23@ 10:41am
This is how I understood this:
1. Both the two witnesses and the Antichrist will have a 40 day period prior to being revealed before the world. We had already inferred this because we were seeing a comparison with Jesus ministry, 40 days in the wilderness followed by His announcing the Jubilee.
2. She did not say this but it was very clear that this word was released at a very specific time as a warning of this taking place imminently, many of us have theorized that Agenda 2030 which will be confirmed this September at the Feast of Trumpets is the covenant which will be confirmed for seven years by the Antichrist mentioned in Daniel. This would indicate that the 40 days prior to Feast of Trumpets will be this period of fasting.
3. She did not say this either, but you can infer from this that there will be a "pre-tribulation" rapture which will also be "pre-40 day period" rapture. We had already inferred this as well, thinking that when Jesus was Baptized the Spirit descended upon Him and then at the rapture the Spirit will ascend back into heaven.
There are a number of hypothesis that can be made from this. Some would be concerning the identity of the two witnesses which I will completely ignore. However, if September 15th is the Feast of Trumpets then this would seem that the 40 days would begin on August 6th. I had previously theorized that the rapture would take place on the Lord's day since the Lord's table is the one appointed feast that Christians have been given to keep and it points us to the rapture.
I would also point out that many have been praying for a warning, just like Noah had a 7 day warning, Abraham had a couple of days warning and Lot had a one day warning. If the rapture is on August 6th then this would be a 3 day warning. Something similar to what Abraham had. Christian Chat being down for a day means I could only give out a two day warning, something similar to what Lot had.
Official Proclamation of Antichrist's Time 7-11- 23@ 10:41am
This is how I understood this:
1. Both the two witnesses and the Antichrist will have a 40 day period prior to being revealed before the world. We had already inferred this because we were seeing a comparison with Jesus ministry, 40 days in the wilderness followed by His announcing the Jubilee.
2. She did not say this but it was very clear that this word was released at a very specific time as a warning of this taking place imminently, many of us have theorized that Agenda 2030 which will be confirmed this September at the Feast of Trumpets is the covenant which will be confirmed for seven years by the Antichrist mentioned in Daniel. This would indicate that the 40 days prior to Feast of Trumpets will be this period of fasting.
3. She did not say this either, but you can infer from this that there will be a "pre-tribulation" rapture which will also be "pre-40 day period" rapture. We had already inferred this as well, thinking that when Jesus was Baptized the Spirit descended upon Him and then at the rapture the Spirit will ascend back into heaven.
There are a number of hypothesis that can be made from this. Some would be concerning the identity of the two witnesses which I will completely ignore. However, if September 15th is the Feast of Trumpets then this would seem that the 40 days would begin on August 6th. I had previously theorized that the rapture would take place on the Lord's day since the Lord's table is the one appointed feast that Christians have been given to keep and it points us to the rapture.
I would also point out that many have been praying for a warning, just like Noah had a 7 day warning, Abraham had a couple of days warning and Lot had a one day warning. If the rapture is on August 6th then this would be a 3 day warning. Something similar to what Abraham had. Christian Chat being down for a day means I could only give out a two day warning, something similar to what Lot had.