Summary of Bible references on the Rapture
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OK, Let's discuss spiritual warfare
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
In real spiritual warfare you are nothing, you are David taking on a giant, but you are not strong in yourself, or in your power, you are strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. It doesn't matter if you "can't win". The question is can the Lord win?
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Christians who want to get involved in the spiritual warfare are a dime a dozen. Most flee at the signs of a real battle, and others go charging in without all the armor on first.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Remember this, you have no chance on your own. You must be in the Lord, you must be in the power of His might, and you must have on the whole armour of God. Fallen angels and demons will destroy you if those three things are not true.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
This is your attitude, it can seem like all is lost, you are all alone, everyone else has fled, but if you are in the Lord, you are covered in the armor of God, and you have the attitude to stand your ground, even if it means certain death then you are the right attitude for a spiritual warrior.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
Everyone wants a shortcut, the cheat sheets, the silver bullet. Do not take shortcuts. Make sure you speak the truth. I will edit and re edit what I say to eliminate exaggerations and anything that goes beyond what it true. Always expect to be attacked for any weakness, and a lack of truth is a glaring weakness.
and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
We are not righteous in ourselves. We need to confess our sins, repent of them and be washed in the blood of Jesus. But if there is any unrighteousness in your life deal with that first before getting into the ring. You cannot step into the ring if you have unrighteousness. Imagine a hockey goalie playing without a chest protector.
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
We are not looking for a fight, we are looking for peace, we are looking to speak the gospel, the good news of Jesus salvation.
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Look at how I speak on this blog. Every word is hiding behind the word of God. The word of God is my shield, that is my shield of faith. Avoid your opinions. The more you are aligned with the word of God the more your mind is renewed. Do not try to align the word of God with your opinions, instead just take the word and align your speaking to the word of God.
17 And take the helmet of salvation,
You would not play football without a helmet on. Spiritual warfare is a contact sport and the demons and fallen angels will do everything to get you to question your salvation. That is a knockout blow. You need to have the full assurance of salvation before you even think about spiritual warfare.
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Everyone wants to jump to the sword of the Spirit. Don't do it. Make sure you are fully covered first and have a great defense. As long as you can live another day you are a danger to the enemy. But after you have parried many blows, after you have been like a whipping boy, now it is time to give as good as you get. I like to make sure I hit the enemy harder than he hits me. I remember a story about a king who was told to hit the ground. He hit it three times. The prophet was upset, he said you should have hit it ten times, then you would have really put the enemy to flight. I feel like every post the enemy is getting hit. If you look I think I have averaged something like 10-20 posts a day since the day I started this blog. Hit him so hard and so often the enemy doesn't know what hit him.
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Warfare is a team sport. Pray for your teammates. If you raise your head up you become a target to the enemy. I like to keep my head low and pray for many others to speak as well. Again, look at this blog, I try to post many links from others every day.
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Pray for brothers and sisters to have utterance, to speak boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel. That is the real warfare.
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Remember, our mission is to be witnesses to those in this age concerning the Lord Jesus and His kingdom. We are ambassadors.
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
In real spiritual warfare you are nothing, you are David taking on a giant, but you are not strong in yourself, or in your power, you are strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. It doesn't matter if you "can't win". The question is can the Lord win?
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Christians who want to get involved in the spiritual warfare are a dime a dozen. Most flee at the signs of a real battle, and others go charging in without all the armor on first.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Remember this, you have no chance on your own. You must be in the Lord, you must be in the power of His might, and you must have on the whole armour of God. Fallen angels and demons will destroy you if those three things are not true.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
This is your attitude, it can seem like all is lost, you are all alone, everyone else has fled, but if you are in the Lord, you are covered in the armor of God, and you have the attitude to stand your ground, even if it means certain death then you are the right attitude for a spiritual warrior.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth,
Everyone wants a shortcut, the cheat sheets, the silver bullet. Do not take shortcuts. Make sure you speak the truth. I will edit and re edit what I say to eliminate exaggerations and anything that goes beyond what it true. Always expect to be attacked for any weakness, and a lack of truth is a glaring weakness.
and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
We are not righteous in ourselves. We need to confess our sins, repent of them and be washed in the blood of Jesus. But if there is any unrighteousness in your life deal with that first before getting into the ring. You cannot step into the ring if you have unrighteousness. Imagine a hockey goalie playing without a chest protector.
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
We are not looking for a fight, we are looking for peace, we are looking to speak the gospel, the good news of Jesus salvation.
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Look at how I speak on this blog. Every word is hiding behind the word of God. The word of God is my shield, that is my shield of faith. Avoid your opinions. The more you are aligned with the word of God the more your mind is renewed. Do not try to align the word of God with your opinions, instead just take the word and align your speaking to the word of God.
17 And take the helmet of salvation,
You would not play football without a helmet on. Spiritual warfare is a contact sport and the demons and fallen angels will do everything to get you to question your salvation. That is a knockout blow. You need to have the full assurance of salvation before you even think about spiritual warfare.
and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Everyone wants to jump to the sword of the Spirit. Don't do it. Make sure you are fully covered first and have a great defense. As long as you can live another day you are a danger to the enemy. But after you have parried many blows, after you have been like a whipping boy, now it is time to give as good as you get. I like to make sure I hit the enemy harder than he hits me. I remember a story about a king who was told to hit the ground. He hit it three times. The prophet was upset, he said you should have hit it ten times, then you would have really put the enemy to flight. I feel like every post the enemy is getting hit. If you look I think I have averaged something like 10-20 posts a day since the day I started this blog. Hit him so hard and so often the enemy doesn't know what hit him.
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Warfare is a team sport. Pray for your teammates. If you raise your head up you become a target to the enemy. I like to keep my head low and pray for many others to speak as well. Again, look at this blog, I try to post many links from others every day.
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Pray for brothers and sisters to have utterance, to speak boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel. That is the real warfare.
20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Remember, our mission is to be witnesses to those in this age concerning the Lord Jesus and His kingdom. We are ambassadors.
Hearing and doing
Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
This is what we are seeing today. There are those who have dug down to the rock, Jesus, and they have built their house on this rock (the church). They heard the Lord's words and they did them.
There are others that hear the words but don't do them. They have built a house but there is no foundation. Your house must be built on righteousness, Jesus is our righteousness, He is the rock on which we build. Right now we see the stream beating vehemently against many "houses" and the ruin of those houses is great. This word has been a principle to live by for 2,000 years, but now at the end of the age we see it taking place worldwide with frequency and intensity that we have not seen previously in the 2,000 years.
Luke 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
This is what we are seeing today. There are those who have dug down to the rock, Jesus, and they have built their house on this rock (the church). They heard the Lord's words and they did them.
There are others that hear the words but don't do them. They have built a house but there is no foundation. Your house must be built on righteousness, Jesus is our righteousness, He is the rock on which we build. Right now we see the stream beating vehemently against many "houses" and the ruin of those houses is great. This word has been a principle to live by for 2,000 years, but now at the end of the age we see it taking place worldwide with frequency and intensity that we have not seen previously in the 2,000 years.
I appreciate the work this brother has done, the clues he has found and I like listening to the theories he puts out. However, I do have a number of "adjustments" I would make, not necessarily disagreeing, only adding additional meanings etc.
1. Tarshish refers to the UK, not southern Spain. I think that is the best scholarship on this and the thing that makes the most sense here.
2. The word cattle is very problematic and I appreciate that he recognizes that and I appreciate his theory on how to resolve that. The reason this is problematic is because if you were going to "spoil" or "plunder" cattle you would not go to Israel, they have 150,000 milk cows, that is it. They have a tiny fraction of 1% of the world's cattle. Now he resolves this by saying the word can also refer to possessions. But we have not seen the war trying to take or plunder any of Israel's possessions so far. So then he talks about the 5 red heifers, that the true reason for this war is to "protect the Al-Aqsa Mosque" which can be understood to mean preventing Israel from renewing their sacrifices and offerings at the temple mount and those sacrifices would begin with the five red heifers. I agree that this is the cause of the war but think it is a stretch to say this term "cattle" is a reference to the five red heifers. If the word had 5 meanings in the prophecy perhaps that is the fifth meaning, but not the first.
So let us look at this word used for cattle
This is an outline of Biblical usage.
- cattle, livestock
- cattle, livestock
- in general of a purchasable domestic animal
- cows, sheep, goats (in herds and flocks)
- cattle, livestock
Here is Strong's definition
מִקְנֶה miqneh, mik-neh'; from H7069; something bought, i.e. property, but only live stock; abstractly, acquisition:—cattle, flock, herd, possession, purchase, substance.
Here is the first use
Genesis 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. H4735
So yes, it refers to possessions, but specific possession of cattle.
Here is the first reference to Abram
Genesis 13:2 And Abram was very rich in cattle, H4735 in silver, and in gold.
So clearly they use this term to distinguish between other possessions like silver and gold
The Bible has words for possession:
אֲחֻזָּה ʼăchuzzâh, akh-ooz-zaw'; feminine passive participle from H270; something seized, i.e. a possession (especially of land):—possession.
and this word
עֹשֶׁר ʻôsher, o'-sher; from H6238; wealth:—× far (richer), riches.
So let's be realistic, this word is a specific possession, and it means cattle. If I own 1,000 head of cattle I am wealthy, I am rich, I am full of possessions, but that doesn't mean that the cattle are an allegory for silver, gold or other possessions.
The US has 38 million head of cattle, 5 million head of sheep, 2.66 million head of goats, 72 million hogs and pigs, and 1.5 billion chickens.
Israel has 0.00004% of the cattle, and 0.00005% of the chickens, 0.00003% of the pigs, and 0.001% of the sheep that the US has.
Russia and Iran and all these other nations are not attacking Israel to plunder their cattle and livestock. But they would certainly plunder the US for cattle. The US is one of the richest countries in the world for livestock.
So I think the fundamental error everyone makes when reading Ezekiel 38 is they think this evil plan is against Israel. There is a description of a ground invasion of Israel and they are surrounded by armies. But then it says it "also" comes into their mind to attack the land that is at peace, unwalled cities without bars or gates and plunder them of their cattle. That cannot possibly refer to Israel. People have been trying to force this square peg into the round hole for a very long time. Half of the world's Jews live in Israel and half live in the US. That is a perfect description of the US.
Please note, if you were to take all the "cattle" in the US (including sheep, goats, pigs and chickens) as well as all the land used to keep them it would be worth a couple hundred billion. However, China has $800 billion in US debt. If the US defaulted on their debt it would be reasonable in any international bankruptcy court for China to exchange our debt for our cattle and the ranches. In addition you could throw in the US railroad for another 100 billion. You could throw in a lot of our farmland and it would be a valid exchange for the debt. You could see the UK complaining in the UN that they did this for plunder, just as Ezekiel 38 says.
I have considered a slight adjustment to the Joel 2:31 interpretation.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Previously I interpreted this to mean it would happen up to a month before the rapture. If you haven't been following, I believe and have made what I consider to be an incontrovertible case that the rapture is the opening of the sixth seal. You will have a great earthquake, the dead in Christ will rise first, the whole world will see and fear and know that this is the great day of the Lamb and that His wrath has come. You will also see mountains crumbling and people hiding in bunkers. Not only so but fallen angels will be poured out onto the earth with all the demonic forces of hell. So it is clearly the "great and terrible day of the Lord come".
My previous interpretation was that this would take place less than a month before because when you get to the next full moon it would nullify this prophecy. I showed that this happens on average once a year, however, if you took that interpretation it would eliminate all 21 out of 21 major predictions of the rapture since 1948, showing they were false. So it is not all that useful in predicting the rapture, but it is quite useful in debunking bad predictions.
My updated and modified prediction is that this must take place about two weeks or less before the rapture. It occurred to me that a eclipse of the full moon is two weeks before a new moon. After the new moon you have a "new moon", it is no longer the same moon that was eclipsed. November 13th at 3am is the new moon.
October 7th we had a "flood" attack Israel. The Bible says it begins with a flood. October 13th Israel tells those living in Gaza to flee south for their protection. October 14th is the new moon, and the start of the moon we are in now. October 28th you have the blood moon which is understood to mean judgement on Israel. It is the same day that Netanyahu announces the war has started a new phase, increased aerial attacks and a ground invasion. Since that time we have seen 46 attacks on US military bases and massive aerial bombardment of Iranian bases by Israel. We are seeing a steady increase of Iran's involvement as Hamas gets destroyed they can no longer hide behind their proxy. My point is "it begins with a flood" would be a one month warning, the solar eclipse is a six week warning, the lunar eclipse is a two week warning, at that time we saw the protests begin with pro palestinians storming an airport in Russia to get Jews who were about to land at the airport. For the last two weeks we have the "days of Lot". To me the final sign of the rapture will be Damascus becoming a ruinous heap.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
Previously I interpreted this to mean it would happen up to a month before the rapture. If you haven't been following, I believe and have made what I consider to be an incontrovertible case that the rapture is the opening of the sixth seal. You will have a great earthquake, the dead in Christ will rise first, the whole world will see and fear and know that this is the great day of the Lamb and that His wrath has come. You will also see mountains crumbling and people hiding in bunkers. Not only so but fallen angels will be poured out onto the earth with all the demonic forces of hell. So it is clearly the "great and terrible day of the Lord come".
My previous interpretation was that this would take place less than a month before because when you get to the next full moon it would nullify this prophecy. I showed that this happens on average once a year, however, if you took that interpretation it would eliminate all 21 out of 21 major predictions of the rapture since 1948, showing they were false. So it is not all that useful in predicting the rapture, but it is quite useful in debunking bad predictions.
My updated and modified prediction is that this must take place about two weeks or less before the rapture. It occurred to me that a eclipse of the full moon is two weeks before a new moon. After the new moon you have a "new moon", it is no longer the same moon that was eclipsed. November 13th at 3am is the new moon.
October 7th we had a "flood" attack Israel. The Bible says it begins with a flood. October 13th Israel tells those living in Gaza to flee south for their protection. October 14th is the new moon, and the start of the moon we are in now. October 28th you have the blood moon which is understood to mean judgement on Israel. It is the same day that Netanyahu announces the war has started a new phase, increased aerial attacks and a ground invasion. Since that time we have seen 46 attacks on US military bases and massive aerial bombardment of Iranian bases by Israel. We are seeing a steady increase of Iran's involvement as Hamas gets destroyed they can no longer hide behind their proxy. My point is "it begins with a flood" would be a one month warning, the solar eclipse is a six week warning, the lunar eclipse is a two week warning, at that time we saw the protests begin with pro palestinians storming an airport in Russia to get Jews who were about to land at the airport. For the last two weeks we have the "days of Lot". To me the final sign of the rapture will be Damascus becoming a ruinous heap.
The terrorists don't do anything without the approval of the overlords. Gaza is not paying for the bombs and the tunnels and all the weapons of war, Iran is, Qatar is, wealthy Arabs are. The BRICS alliance will "rule the world" if they can become the protectorate of the Middle East. That won't happen without defeating Israel and the US. This war is over who rules, will the US dollar continue to rule or will BRICS? Their is no backing down. You don't send two carrier battle groups to the Mediterranean and nuclear subs if this is simply another "flare up". When was the last time you saw 46 attacks on US military bases and it is downplayed and minimized by the media? Iran is blackmailing Biden and the US government, they must have some very nasty dirt on them, and Iran is not going to wait for Trump to get elected. It is now or never for Russia, China, Turkey and Iran. The target is Israel, but even more the target is the US. Ezekiel 38 talks about the war on Israel, it also talks about a surprise attack on the US. China will lose $800 billion worth of bonds if the US dollar collapses. If you read Ezekiel 38 the attack on the "unwalled cities without bars or gates" is for plunder of cattle. If you take all of the US cattle (cows, horses, pigs, sheep, goats and chickens), throw in enough farmland to feed the cattle, and throw in the US railroads to transport this to the coast to ship to China then it is a fair trade for the $800 billion we owe them. According to Ezekiel 38 the UK and Saudi Arabia both complain (in the UN?) that they attacked the US for plunder. Because with the US destroyed the BRICS alliance will control security in the Middle East putting Iran and Russia in charge.
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19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
So many people do not understand what the Lord is doing. Why are so many hundreds, maybe even thousands getting dreams and visions and sharing them online? This is because God is the one who judges the hearts. Perhaps this one will reach your or that one. But for many their heart is hard, their ears refuse to hear, their eyes refuse to see. All of these prayers and visions are not for those that believe but for those that don't believe. You are bringing judgement on yourself. The Lord will say I came to you, I came as a child and as an old man, as a teenager, a young woman, and a middle aged woman. I called to you this way and that way, but you refused to hear. The problem was not with my calling it was with your heart.
You are not judging those that are speaking, you are judging yourself. With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.
Perhaps you said I need to hear from a small child who doesn't know anything of the Bible. Perhaps you said I need to hear from an uneducated person. Maybe you wanted to hear from an old man who had never wanted to speak on the internet. Whatever it was you wanted, the Lord responded and yet you closed your heart.
You are not judging those that are speaking, you are judging yourself. With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.
Perhaps you said I need to hear from a small child who doesn't know anything of the Bible. Perhaps you said I need to hear from an uneducated person. Maybe you wanted to hear from an old man who had never wanted to speak on the internet. Whatever it was you wanted, the Lord responded and yet you closed your heart.
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Talks of an all out war, a fight to the finish, indicating the Day of the Lord is near and warning that as you have done to Israel it will be done unto you.
The house of Esau refers to Hamas and Hezbollah, they will be thoroughly driven off the land with none remaining. This is what they are trying to do to Israel and it will be done unto them.
The prior wars were not a fight over Jerusalem, but this war is focused on Al-Aqsa Mosque.
We are in a big countdown now.
Talks of an all out war, a fight to the finish, indicating the Day of the Lord is near and warning that as you have done to Israel it will be done unto you.
The house of Esau refers to Hamas and Hezbollah, they will be thoroughly driven off the land with none remaining. This is what they are trying to do to Israel and it will be done unto them.
The prior wars were not a fight over Jerusalem, but this war is focused on Al-Aqsa Mosque.
We are in a big countdown now.
Repent while you still can
Obadiah 1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. 2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. 3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
This is about Edom, Jacob's twin brother who sold his birthright for a bowl of beans. I have previously shared about Edom as a shadow or type of Hollywood, but here let's talk about them as a shadow and type of the Palestinians. It says they are made small among the heathen and certainly of all the groups around Israel the Palestinians are those that have been made small and they are also greatly despised. They have lived in "refugee camps" for decades and been involved in terrorism for decades. We are not talking about the 5 million who have left Israel that are simply Palestinian descent, we are talking about those who are "dwelling in the clefts of the rock". A cleft in the rock is a crack, it is like living in a hole in the wall.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
This sounds like October 7th, the behavior on that "raid" was so abhorrent as to be repulsive to all that heard. We can understand them wanting to take hostages, may not agree with the behavior, but it can at least be understood. But beheading babies? Apparently the things they did were even worse than that, don't even want to say them by name.
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
The hidden things of Gaza are their tunnels and they are being searched out by the IDF and destroyed.
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
This current war with Israel has a very big confederacy. Hezbollah, Iran, Jordan, Yemen all appear to be with Hamas. But they are using Hamas, they want them to be "sacrificed" so they can accuse Israel of war crimes.
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
The Palestinians in Gaza became fools. Why would you send your kids to a school that has a terrorist group operating in the basement? Why would they go to a park that is also housing rocket launchers? Why would you allow your hospital to be a terrorist headquarters or your ambulances to transport terrorists?
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
This is what we are seeing every day now. Israel is going through the tunnels, catching the leaders and the key combatants and slaughtering them ("neutralizing them").
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
They have tried to paint Israel as this oppressive monster, but the truth will come out and Hamas will be covered with shame forever.
11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; 14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress. 15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
God does not forget, we need to repent of our sins. In 70AD Jerusalem was surrounded, destroyed, and scattered to the four winds. Apparently Esau behaved in this abominable way and so when Israel's punishment was over it was time to also deal with Esau for their despicable behavior.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
As you have done it will be done to you. Whenever you think you are being treated unrighteously or abusively the proper response is not to be self righteous but instead go before the Lord, ask Him to show you where you have been wrong and repent lest you treated anyone else the way you are now complaining that you are being treated.
17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
This is future tense. When you see this judgement carried out on Hamas and Gaza that we are now seeing know that this deliverance is coming.
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.
Stubble is little pieces of dried grass. You throw them into the fire, they will fly up and away in the smoke. That is a picture of what we are seeing happen to Gaza today. This is the key thing to remember, do not keep company with terrorists. Once you know who these people are that you are surrounded by it is time to cut your losses and leave while you still can.
19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Obadiah 1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle. 2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised. 3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? 4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.
This is about Edom, Jacob's twin brother who sold his birthright for a bowl of beans. I have previously shared about Edom as a shadow or type of Hollywood, but here let's talk about them as a shadow and type of the Palestinians. It says they are made small among the heathen and certainly of all the groups around Israel the Palestinians are those that have been made small and they are also greatly despised. They have lived in "refugee camps" for decades and been involved in terrorism for decades. We are not talking about the 5 million who have left Israel that are simply Palestinian descent, we are talking about those who are "dwelling in the clefts of the rock". A cleft in the rock is a crack, it is like living in a hole in the wall.
5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
This sounds like October 7th, the behavior on that "raid" was so abhorrent as to be repulsive to all that heard. We can understand them wanting to take hostages, may not agree with the behavior, but it can at least be understood. But beheading babies? Apparently the things they did were even worse than that, don't even want to say them by name.
6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
The hidden things of Gaza are their tunnels and they are being searched out by the IDF and destroyed.
7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
This current war with Israel has a very big confederacy. Hezbollah, Iran, Jordan, Yemen all appear to be with Hamas. But they are using Hamas, they want them to be "sacrificed" so they can accuse Israel of war crimes.
8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
The Palestinians in Gaza became fools. Why would you send your kids to a school that has a terrorist group operating in the basement? Why would they go to a park that is also housing rocket launchers? Why would you allow your hospital to be a terrorist headquarters or your ambulances to transport terrorists?
9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
This is what we are seeing every day now. Israel is going through the tunnels, catching the leaders and the key combatants and slaughtering them ("neutralizing them").
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
They have tried to paint Israel as this oppressive monster, but the truth will come out and Hamas will be covered with shame forever.
11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them. 12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress. 13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity; 14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress. 15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
God does not forget, we need to repent of our sins. In 70AD Jerusalem was surrounded, destroyed, and scattered to the four winds. Apparently Esau behaved in this abominable way and so when Israel's punishment was over it was time to also deal with Esau for their despicable behavior.
16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
As you have done it will be done to you. Whenever you think you are being treated unrighteously or abusively the proper response is not to be self righteous but instead go before the Lord, ask Him to show you where you have been wrong and repent lest you treated anyone else the way you are now complaining that you are being treated.
17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
This is future tense. When you see this judgement carried out on Hamas and Gaza that we are now seeing know that this deliverance is coming.
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.
Stubble is little pieces of dried grass. You throw them into the fire, they will fly up and away in the smoke. That is a picture of what we are seeing happen to Gaza today. This is the key thing to remember, do not keep company with terrorists. Once you know who these people are that you are surrounded by it is time to cut your losses and leave while you still can.
19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.
Earthquakes!!! Something BIBLICAL Is Going On!!! ( November 12, 2023 )
I am a geologist so let's talk a little about these earthquakes. I could theorize about why they are increasing but any theory I would put forth would be unproven and therefore very controversial. Suffice it to say that there are few mechanisms we have postulated which would cause a dramatic increase in earthquakes. Solar flares are said to influence earthquakes and gravitational pull could also have an impact. Basically the Plate tectonics of the Earth is like a giant conveyor belt, so if we have a lot of activity at one end of the conveyor belt that will spread throughout the whole belt. At one end you have the escalator coming up, at the other end it is going down. So magma coming out at the Mid Atlantic Ridge (Iceland) will also see earthquakes and volcanoes at the fault zone in the Pacific known as the "ring of fire".
Jesus told us we would see this happening in diverse places as the beginning of birth pains. Think of the earth as a woman about to give birth, the birth is the great earthquake when the sixth seal is opened, the dead in Christ rise, and then the rapture takes place. Prior to that event you will see a great increase in earthquakes around the earth just as you would with a woman going into labor.