Still saved, or not?

[Cameron143]

But as you say all sin has been atoned so even if we did live in sin it's all good because all our future sins have been paid for right?

Are you worried that all future sins have not been paid for or something?

What she is saying is that Christians would never have the attitude about sin that you have. Someone who is truly saved has the indwelling Spirit of God, who brings conviction and sorrow over sin, and works in the individual to bring about a change in behavior. You are simply attempting to ease your conscience while maintaining your sinful ways, not recognizing that you aren't actually saved.

I recognize that this may be difficult to hear, but there is a real need for you to make your calling and election sure; to examine whether you be in the faith.

 

[JayWalker]

Their condemnation is deserved!

So you are saying once saved always saved is not true?
And our future sins are not already forgiven?

What she is saying is that Christians would never have the attitude about sin that you have.

So as long as I play like sin is bad it's no problem to go ahead and keep living in sin and I should be sure and publicly say thinggs to make it appear like living in sin is an outrage?

you to make your calling and election sure

You're claiming salvation is by works now and I have do do something to be saved or do something to maintain my salvation?

 

[HeIsHere]

So you are saying once saved always saved is not true?
And our future sins are not already forgiven?





So as long as I play like sin is bad it's no problem to go ahead and keep living in sin and I should be sure and publicly say thinggs to make it appear like living in sin is an outrage?





You're claiming salvation is by works now and I have do do something to be saved or do something to maintain my salvation?

I see you are trolling and not really responding to what I wrote.
Moving on.

 

[JayWalker]

I see you are trolling and not really responding to what I wrote.
Moving on.

Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us.

 

[Cameron143]

So you are saying once saved always saved is not true?
And our future sins are not already forgiven?





So as long as I play like sin is bad it's no problem to go ahead and keep living in sin and I should be sure and publicly say thinggs to make it appear like living in sin is an outrage?





You're claiming salvation is by works now and I have do do something to be saved or do something to maintain my salvation?

I'm not saying that works have anything to do with salvation, but I am saying that true salvation will change an individual; and that to be made into the image of Christ. Read Ephesians 2:8-10. Salvation is by grace apart from works, but we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works.

When one is truly saved, they become a new creation...2 Corinthians 5:17. Old things pass away and all things become new. If things remain as they were, salvation has not taken place regardless of what anyone may say.

My purpose here isn't to bring any harm to you. Those who have led you to believe you are saved despite the lack of change in your life have done that. I'm simply attempting to share what the word of God teaches and where your actions are inconsistent with what the Bible says. Thinking yourself to be saved, you are in great danger of not making your calling and election sure. I hope you will at least examine what I have shared.

 

[JayWalker]

your actions are inconsistent with what the Bible says.

The bible says two become one flesh meaning my girlfriend and I are now married in the eyes of God.

How is this wrong exactly?

 

[Howdy]

Jesus said He would never leave us or forsake us.

Here is a truth you need to understand.
IF you can continue to live in sin (living with and having six with a woman you are not married to) without the Holy Spirit convicting you and making your life miserable, you probable are not truly saved and never was.
Forget about what your pastor or anyone else said.
NO person who is truly saved can live as you say you do and have peace.
I would suggest you fall on your knees now and seek God's forgiveness and stop living in sin.

 

[Howdy]

The bible says two become one flesh meaning my girlfriend and I are now married in the eyes of God.

How is this wrong exactly?

Do you introduce her as your wife?
Is she your girl friend or wife?
Are you her husband or boyfriend?
What is her view of this?

 

[Cameron143]

The bible says two become one flesh meaning my girlfriend and I are now married in the eyes of God.

How is this wrong exactly?

Sex outside of marriage is a perversion of the marital covenant. You referenced Hebrews 13:5 earlier. In the marriage relationship a Christian has with Christ, He vows to never leave us or forsake us. He does this publicly in the presence of all. Your marriage should likewise follow His example.

 

[HeIsHere]

The bible says two become one flesh meaning my girlfriend and I are now married in the eyes of God.

How is this wrong exactly?

Two in one flesh is obviously children, unless you are stuck together permanently.

 

[Mem]

OK so Christians can in fact sin all they want and still be saved?

First, who are these Christians that sin all the want? Or would it be easier to answer the question, who are these Christians that don't sin all they want? It seems to me that neither of them actually exists.

 

[HeIsHere]

Just a reminder that @JayWalker (think of his moniker) is most likely a troll.

 

[homwardbound]

Doesn't matter since everyone keeps saying we are still saved even if we are living in sin.

I know others in my church that do things far worse than what I'm doing and they are still saved so it's all good right?

No one other than Father and Son as One, Won for us are perfect. Please do not use this as an excuse to continue in what you seem to know in you to not do or do freely, without harm to anyone else. Father in risen Son given you leads, not you or others.
Do you and yours want to do what is right? Then trust God to live in you and through you in love and mercy to all.
Does this mean I can do whatever I want? Yes it does., yet ask self, is it beneficial to do and continue to do what you are doing?

Your free choice as to God

The only serious consequences I'd be worried about is going to hell and since it's OK to live in sin and we won't go to hell, it's all good right?

Unfortunately you are taking this grace gvien you for granted, using what others say to get away with harm to others. You are a Corinthian that took grace for granted and Paul wrote to them about it. I put you in Father's hands to love you Father's way, for you to see what is correct as you already know in you and it seems you want to do whatever you want and can care less about God's love and mercy for you.
I hope between God and you personally you repent to God personally from within you

Yep, going to heaven regardless of what I do or don't do!

Not true, this grace is a gift to decide to not harm anyone else, and I hear you are harming and doing as your first birth flesh wants and can care less about how you rtreat the woman you are living with I am in trust to God over it all

You are to find out thnaks bye

 

[homwardbound]

Yep sounds like christians can live in sin all they want and they'll still go to heaven.

In truth that is between God Fatherm risen Son and each person. You seem to want to take for granted this gift. To me I am hearing you have not received it. want to spend it on your own pleasures. Do you care how you treat others

James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

Yet it might seem you are getting wsht you ask for. If you are harming others as for ex your life friend you are living with. Is she your friend or your dlave? Are you here to get your way and not care, only about yourself.
Do you really pray to God and desire the best for all or a-nly yourself and whomever else you choose to do as you say. Are you a JumJones, a want ro be?

O furl sorry for your sou, I am standing in trust to /Father in risen Son for your Soul to be saved, and you to see to care for all people, not just self and only those you choose, thank you Lord

 

[WiselyWoven]

That's not what most are saying here

The man of God does not place his trust in what others do or say. IOW, do not follow man.

So you are saying all the people replying here are wrong and chrsitians will go to hell if they live in sin?

I'll bet all these people are really mad at you.

Yes, many "replying here are wrong", but that is no surprise to the discerning. Your question involves the issue of sin.

You are confirming than that christians can live in sin and it matters not because they still go to heaven anyway?

Is this what you are saying?

Again, a misunderstanding of sin.

I am am thinking you have some other agenda going on, with this whole scenario you have posted.

Yeah, it plays out like that. But notice also the anxiety...

Are you going to claim that all our future sins are not already forgiven and that christians can do things that would cause them to not go to heave?

...conflating two issues here.

But as you say all sin has been atoned so even if we did live in sin it's all good because all our future sins have been paid for right?

Are you worried that all future sins have not been paid for or something?

Back to the issue of sin again.

Seems you have an agenda to mock the Good News and the completed work of Christ Jesus for salvation.

Paul states your perverse line of argumentation comes from a heart of disbelief .... just like those of his time.

Patience is a virtue.

You are simply attempting to ease your conscience while maintaining your sinful ways, not recognizing that you aren't actually saved.

Yeah, we all do that from time to time.

I recognize that this may be difficult to hear, but there is a real need for you to make your calling and election sure; to examine whether you be in the faith.

This be the nexus of the thread.

First, who are these Christians that sin all the want? Or would it be easier to answer the question, who are these Christians that don't sin all they want? It seems to me that neither of them actually exists.

JayWalker's dilemma:

Will you please explain how a Christian no longer sins? I have yet to meet anyone who is perfect and commits no sins. Am I missing something?

JayWalker's confidence:

Even before Jesus came, there were those who "walked in all of the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless" (Luke 1:5-6). But this has nothing to do with the New Testament believer. For we are not under law but under grace (Rom. 6:14). "Where there is no law there is no transgression" (Rom. 4:15).

When we continue to define sin by the law, we show that we are believing in the wrong covenant, which is why John defines sin as unbelief, not behavior (1 John 3:6-9). He was teaching Israelites, who only understood sin as bad behavior, how to live in the New Testament by saying the man who is born of God does not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So sin in the New Testament is not believing in and knowing Jesus, and has nothing to do with law keeping. This is why Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit comes, the only sin he will reprove the world of is the sin of "They believe not on me."

 

[JayWalker]

Just a reminder that @JayWalker (think of his moniker) is most likely a troll.

How so?

If I agree with everything you say would that mean I'm not a troll?

You're not my pastor or anyone in a position of leadership in the church

 

[JayWalker]

The only thing some have questioned in my life is whether me and my girlfriend are married or not in God's eyes since we never got a marriage license from our state.

Several people has responded saying we are not actually in sin since we are in a committed relationship so it sounds like I'm not actually in sin after all.

So far I don't see any bible verse posted by anyone that shows God commands us to get a marriage license from our state in order for Him to recognize our marriage.

So this must be one of those opinion things where some are of one opinion and others are of a different opinion since nobody can prove from the bible that God requires a state marriage license in order to be married in His eyes.

 

[WiselyWoven]

The only thing some have questioned in my life is whether me and my girlfriend are married or not in God's eyes since we never got a marriage license from our state.

Ok, let's look at that.

This is the place where MOST ppl goof up. They've been taught to look to the godless State, rather than to Almighty God, for "permission" to marry. So, naturally, they would be double minded when it comes to issuing their "opinions" on what constitutes godliness with couples.

To be "married Lawfully but not legally" is the absolute preferred way. In truth, it is is ONLY way before a Creator God; anything less gives God's glory and your sovereignty in Christ, to the godless State (aka Caesar). "Licensed" ministers? ...from the word licentious, which means morally unrestrained and lascivious. And licensed ministers are Caesar's "agents in the field." Recall that no man can serve two masters.

I have "officiated" a marriage, and I am no licensed agent of Caesar. Any man of God can assist a couple, but it is not a scriptural necessity.

I realise that the worldly conditioned readers here will rush out, with their pre-fab responses, to kill the messenger; I expect that. They are obsessed with salvation through politics; the power of the lie is strong.

From women who want some kind of worldly security just in case their wayward husband deserts, to men who want to hold on to their trophy wife, the Caesarian contract of the marriage license is provided to appease their lack of faith in God's plan.

And folks give little thought to the occult and/or heathen nature of the objects they involve in their "ceremony," while such traditions of men bring death.

Child Protective Services can legally barge in at gunpoint and take "your" children because you submitted to Caesar in the first instance to get his legal permission to do what God already said was Lawful i.e. marry and procreate. Marriage is already Lawful before God, but because you were taught by the world to go to Caesar for a "license," Caesar now presumes ownership over you and the product of your union i.e. your as-yet-unborn children. Meanwhile, you're laying on the floor screaming "BUT I GOT RIGHTS! I GOT RIGHTS!" Well, no, you don't. Child Protective Services can legally barge in at gunpoint and take "your" children because you submitted to Caesar in the first instance to get his permission to do what God already said was Lawful i.e. marry and procreate. You have contracted with Ceasar and he maintains an equity interest over your as-yet-unborn children!

I have three totally unpapered home birthed and homeschooled daughters, ages 17, 19, and 22 years. No birth certificates, no passports, and they boarded an international flight (from USA to NZ). They are not USA citizens and they are not NZ citizens. It is a GIFT that my wife and I gave to them.

Marriage was ordained by God (Genesis 2:23-24, Mark 10:6-9, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Timothy 5:14, Hebrews 13:4). Speaking of marriage, Jesus himself said, "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Mark 10:9). Yet, this is exactly what the men of government do today by saying marriage is illegal; they put asunder the institution of marriage! Remember, if anyone does anything today without a license from the government, it is an illegal act; and there's a strong possibility of getting penalized, fined and imprisoned. Marriage is no exception. Marriage is illegal!

If it is God’s Will to bring two souls together in Holy Matrimony, what right does mere man have to say two souls cannot get married, until they ask the government for permission?! Until they pay the government their hard earned money to get a license to exercise God’s Will? Does mere man have authority, at law, to interpose himself, or his purported law, between God’s Will, and to bring punishment on a servant of Christ for exercising God’s Law? Could it be evil to execute the Law of God? Could it?

To summarize, a license requires us to commit idolatry by giving allegiance and preference to the laws of man above the Laws of our Creator - which provokes God to anger.

Who do you place as Lord over your life? Who do you look to for your authority for doing the things you do? What do you claim is your authority for marriage, preaching, fishing, having pets, working, or driving a car? If you have a license from the government to do these things, then you look to Caesar for your authority to do the things you do. If you rely solely upon the Scriptures to do these things, then you look to God for your authority to do the things you do. Either you believe, "I can do all things through the government which strengtheneth me", or you believe, "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philippians 4:13). You cannot serve two masters (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13).

Several people has responded saying we are not actually in sin since we are in a committed relationship so it sounds like I'm not actually in sin after all.

The $64,000 question is: Committed to whom (to yourselves/each other, or to God)? And this goes back to others here who have asked you to provide details about your standing, or lack thereof, with Jesus, which we have yet to receive.

I write this now, not only for JayWalker, but for the countless others who will read this, who know there is something terribly wrong, who know there is a better way, but who do not know, and were not taught, how to walk that higher path. It is written for those who have relegated themselves to the world of opinion, and hate themselves for it. It is written for those who truly love the truth and are thus sincerely willing to do what it takes to find and remain in that truth.

So far I don't see any bible verse posted by anyone that shows God commands us to get a marriage license from our state in order for Him to recognize our marriage.

Absolutely true.

So this must be one of those opinion things where some are of one opinion and others are of a different opinion since nobody can prove from the bible that God requires a state marriage license in order to be married in His eyes.

No man can serve two masters, and marriage licenses are one of the biggest scams on earth. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna settle for merely following those opinions of men? Or are you gonna walk the straight path and do it God's way?

 

[JayWalker]

I have three totally unpapered home birthed and homeschooled daughters, ages 17, 19, and 22 years. No birth certificates, no passports, and they boarded an international flight (from USA to NZ). They are not USA citizens and they are not NZ citizens. It is a GIFT that my wife and I gave to them.

So we can just ignore that bible verse telling Christians to obey the law of man for the sake of the Lord?

I did have someone tell me that and so for that's the closest I've seen showing we are required to get a marriage license and if we don't then after a while the state will consider us a being legally married anyway due to laws about common law marriage

What about speed limits or even getting a driver's license?

You guys ignore that as well?

To summarize, a license requires us to commit idolatry by giving allegiance and preference to the laws of man above the Laws of our Creator - which provokes God to anger.

Wow so anybody that got a a marriage license is going to hell then right?

Doesn't the bible say somewhere that idolators go to hell?

Man, I'm glad I checked in with you first!

 

[WiselyWoven]

So we can just ignore that bible verse telling Christians to obey the law of man for the sake of the Lord?

There is no such verse. The Holy Bible does tell us to obey godly authority.

What about speed limits or even getting a driver's license?

You guys ignore that as well?

I cannot speak for "you guys", but I do not possess a "driver's license." The mere thought scares the majority here, because fear is the tactic used by Caesar's agents to keep the $heeple in line. It is not God's way.

Wow so anybody that got a a marriage license is going to hell then right?

No one makes 100% correct choices 100% of the time.

Doesn't the bible say somewhere that idolators go to hell?

Indeed they do, but not for the reason(s) you're spouting off with.

Man, I'm glad I checked in with you first!

I responded to your posts not because you think you are the only fish in the sea, but because we have hundreds of viewers here who could benefit from the truth. However, it remains to be seen if you are one of them.