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you cannot become spiritually unsaved.

OK so that sounds like that settles it.

Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.

That's what my pastor told me as well.



Ultimately, God is the one who decides if you're saved or not, so you need to pray.talk to Him about that.

Nothing we tell you will actually influence God’s decision.

I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.

My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.

Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?

My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

I've heard people say God cannot contradict Himself in the bible so that would mean something isn't right about all this if that's true




Sin is beyond our finite minds. The Son is beyond our finite minds..........What or who are we going to focus on?

Sounds like it's all a waste of time if it's all beyond our finite minds.



Sometimes we mess up

Can you define that?

Do you mean sometime we sin and don't know we are sinning?

If a guy robs a bank using guns doing armed robbery are you sure he doesn't know that is sin before he does it?




Sin will not enter Heaven, as we all have and do.

Sounds like nobody is going to heaven then right?

Your saying we all have sin and we all do sin and then you say sin doesn't go to heaven.

Seems like something is wrong with opposing statements such as this.


if you are truly born again, you would have heard from the Holy Spirit immediately that you shouldn't be living with your girlfriend if you are having sexual relations.

In the other thread asking about marriage others are saying for all intents and purposes my girlfriend and I was already married.

So it doesn't sound like I'm actually living in sin after all.

And it shouldn't matter anyway since everyone is saying the bible says we cannot ever become unsaved.
 
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OK so that sounds like that settles it.

Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.

That's what my pastor told me as well.

Yes but as some have stated in other posts and you need to take seriously is that God chastens those who are His.... and a believer should not quench the Spirit.

Neither of these events are very good and they need to be taken seriously.

A great of of the NT are exhortations to stay faithful, live victorious and walk the worth walk, it also reminds us there are serious consequences for not doing so.
 
These people telling you that you cannot be "unsaved" are lying and are false teachers!

Your coworker guy is right, listen to him instead.

Top reasons why eternal security is not true


Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Hebrews 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

*A person cannot depart from something they were never a part of to begin with

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

*A person cannot depart from the faith is they were never in the faith begin with

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Timothy 2:12
If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Romans 2:7-11
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
(NOT in our own strength - see Philippians 4:13)

Romans 6:14-16
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 Peter 1:14-17
As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

2 Peter 2:12-14
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Matthew 7:16-21
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

James 5:19,20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Hebrews 10:28-31
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

Corruption cannot inherit incorruption (1 Corinthians 15:50 - Gal 6:7,8 says we reap corruption when we sin)

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5 and these other scriptures wouldn't even be in God's Word!

Here's another one that wouldn't be in God's Word if OSAS were actually true:

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
 
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John 10:27-28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Notice this promise is ONLY for those that not only hear His voice, but for those that actually follow Him - walking in agreement with Him

The greasy grace crowd says this is works based salvation saying we have to actually follow Jesus

This of course is why so many of these folks live after the flesh disqualifying themselves from this wonder promise from the Lord.

Keyword is “follow” - those not following the Lord who are hearers only are deceived and shall be lost.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

John 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my Word, he shall never see death.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 Corinthians 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold (take possession) on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
 
I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.

My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.

Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?

My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

I've heard people say God cannot contradict Himself in the bible so that would mean something isn't right about all this if that's true


By any chance, did your pastor bring you to "salvation"?


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OK so that sounds like that settles it.

Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.

That's what my pastor told me as well.





I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.

My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.

Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?

My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

I've heard people say God cannot contradict Himself in the bible so that would mean something isn't right about all this if that's true






Sounds like it's all a waste of time if it's all beyond our finite minds.





Can you define that?

Do you mean sometime we sin and don't know we are sinning?

If a guy robs a bank using guns doing armed robbery are you sure he doesn't know that is sin before he does it?






Sounds like nobody is going to heaven then right?

Your saying we all have sin and we all do sin and then you say sin doesn't go to heaven.

Seems like something is wrong with opposing statements such as this.




In the other thread asking about marriage others are saying for all intents and purposes my girlfriend and I was already married.

So it doesn't sound like I'm actually living in sin after all.

And it shouldn't matter anyway since everyone is saying the bible says we cannot ever become unsaved.
many states have it as "common law marriage" when living together for 7 or 10 years. any sexual union is a marriage but not all are Godly marriages. all sex outside of marriage is sin, NO DOUBT AT ALL!!!!! do your honest diligent homework on this!!!!! being unsaved is a different subject. OSAS is definitely true. if you are really saved in the 1st place & no none can fool God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
 
Can you define that?

Do you mean sometime we sin and don't know we are sinning?

If a guy robs a bank using guns doing armed robbery are you sure he doesn't know that is sin before he does it?

For example, I struggle with anger. It's hard to control my emotions. I "mess up" and have to ask my kids, husband, God to forgive me. But I am not actively thinking that I can lose my temper and just apologize after, as if I'm justified to sin.

If a person claims to follow Jesus s/he isn't going to plan a robbery. It also takes more effort and thought to have sex vs getting overwhelmed and yelling in anger. Both are sin but one, imo, can be avoided more easily than the other.

And personally it sounds like you're trying to use the excuse of being married in God's eyes to justify sex. From the conversation I have read here it sounds more like you hadn't even thought of marriage until you realized you would have to give up sex. If you truly want to marry the woman then do it. Stop having sex, get married, and then enjoy each other. Stop trying to justify sin.
 
OK so that sounds like that settles it.

Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.

That's what my pastor told me as well.





I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.

My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.

Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?

My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

I've heard people say God cannot contradict Himself in the bible so that would mean something isn't right about all this if that's true






Sounds like it's all a waste of time if it's all beyond our finite minds.





Can you define that?

Do you mean sometime we sin and don't know we are sinning?

If a guy robs a bank using guns doing armed robbery are you sure he doesn't know that is sin before he does it?






Sounds like nobody is going to heaven then right?

Your saying we all have sin and we all do sin and then you say sin doesn't go to heaven.

Seems like something is wrong with opposing statements such as this.




In the other thread asking about marriage others are saying for all intents and purposes my girlfriend and I was already married.

So it doesn't sound like I'm actually living in sin after all.

And it shouldn't matter anyway since everyone is saying the bible says we cannot ever become unsaved.

I see a lot of answers from flesh and blood as even you yourself and wife (Wife to me) are seeming to be seeking out to know, whether or not God will accept you as the two of you are presently. True?

okay, God just loves you both as you are
Believe God loves you both. go into your prayer closet and shut the door. talk to God, say what you feel to God, ask God sincere
And trust to hear God tell you in your new heart God gives to all that do believe God and are messed up.
Noah was drunk, Abraham lied, Moses murdered, so did David who also committed adultery also
God loved them and loves both of you, otherwise Son would not have gone willing to any cross for anyone.
Now that he did that willingly, tell God personally you thank God for this gift and you do not want to take it for granted ever
Then read the Bible as led. to know God personally in his love and mercy for us all. Then see truth and do as think you get from God for you both, both decide agreeably, Tha is what God wants us all to do get along and stop the legalism
Read the Bible t know God period and you will n]know the truth in the love and mercy given you to do love and mercy to all too
Thank you
God clears up confusion one pone goes to God personally
 
If we are sin focused........It's beyond us.

If we are Son focused, And want the truth........He will reveal Truth.

Can I add a word to your quote?

Quote: If we are Son focused :End Quote
I see to put in Risen If we are Risen Son focused. Father is the Father of the living. I am not scrutinizing anything, just placing in what I see, and thank you for your belief
 
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OK so that sounds like that settles it.
Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.
That's what my pastor told me as well.
I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.
My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.
Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?
My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

I've heard people say God cannot contradict Himself in the bible so that would mean something isn't right about all this if that's true
Sounds like it's all a waste of time if it's all beyond our finite minds.
Can you define that?
Do you mean sometime we sin and don't know we are sinning?
If a guy robs a bank using guns doing armed robbery are you sure he doesn't know that is sin before he does it?
Sounds like nobody is going to heaven then right?
Your saying we all have sin and we all do sin and then you say sin doesn't go to heaven.
Seems like something is wrong with opposing statements such as this.

In the other thread asking about marriage others are saying for all intents and purposes my girlfriend and I was already married.
Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.
That's what my pastor told me as well.
I keep hearing all the answers are in the bible which does appear to say I cannot ever be unsaved.
My co-worker sent me a bunch of bible references that appear to say a person can in fact become unsaved.
Maybe I need to dig those up and post them here to see what you all think about his bible references?
My pastor told me I should ignore the bible references my coworker sent me which is strange because it would seem there are two opposing views in the bible which makes it look as though God is contradicting Himself in the bible.

Lifestyle may manifest the following:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (Phil. 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1Cor. 3:1-3, Eph. 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:8-9),

d. a back-slider or prodigal Christian, who has yet to learn by painful experience the value of learning to cooperate with God’s will.

e. a pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, 1John 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

f. an apostate (Heb. 6:4-6, 10:23-39), who once believed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith (1Tim. 1:19-20), becoming completely corrupt and callous (Matt. 13:14-15, Heb. 6:4-6).

Paul listed some sins he implied genuine Christians would not typically commit (in 1Cor. 6:9-10), saying: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Apparently, although a new Christian might commit such sins occasionally, it is inconceivable (because antithetical to NT teaching) that a mature Christian would commit them so typically that the person could be classified as an adulterer, for example (1John 3:6). Back-sliding is the opposite of standing firm or persevering. Atheists might try to practice the “Golden Rule”, but the key issue for them on judgment day will be explaining what good reason they had for rejecting God rather than glorifying Him as the One who determines what is good/golden.

People may contradict GW teaching that a person can repudiate his/her saving faith (cf. Gal. 5:1 & Rev. 12:9). The classic passage that teaches the possibility of apostasy is Hebrews 6:4-6: “It is impossible for those who have… shared in the Holy Spirit… if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again.” Another verse in this vein is Galatians 5:4: “You who are trying to be justified by law… have fallen away from grace.” (The reader should also see Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10.)

Hope this helps.
 
Regardless of my lifestyle I cannot ever be unsaved.

That's what my pastor told me as well.
Your pastor has misled you.

These people telling you that you cannot be "unsaved" are lying and are false teachers!

Your coworker guy is right, listen to him instead.
This is not about God's rock solid end of the bargain. This is about your ever-present free will choice and hence your ever-present option to turn aside.

"Eternal Security" is also known as "once saved always saved," or "perseverance of the saints." In other words, once someone accepts Christ as their Lord and Saviour, there is nothing that he or she can do to separate himself/herself from God, and they will always be saved. This is a false doctrine. Dozens of passages show, without any doubt, that those who believe in Christ can fall away if they do not practice righteousness.

Parable of sower:
Mark 4:16 (Luke 8:13), "And in a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; (they believe for a while) and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away."​

Fallen from grace passage:
Galatians 5:4, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."​

Pruning passages:
John 15:5-6, "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."​
Romans, 11:19-23, "You will say then, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in. Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again."​

Hebrews Passages:
Hebrews 6:4-6, "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame."​
Hebrews 10:26-27, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."​
Hebrews 10:38-39, "Now the just shall live by faith: ; And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul."​

Doctrinal Apostasy passages:
Acts 20:17,28-30, "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders of the church...I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them."​
1 Timothy 1:18-21, "fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander"​
2 Timothy 2:16-18, "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some."​
1 Timothy 4:1, "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons"​
1 Timothy 6:20-21, "O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called knowledge-which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith."​
2 Peter 2:1, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."​
2 Peter 3:17, "You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness."​
2 John 8-9 "Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son."​

Moral Apostasy passages:
1 Timothy 6:9-10, "But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang."​
2 Peter 2:20-22, "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, A dog returns to its own vomit, and a sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."​
James 5:19-20, "My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover a multitude of sins."​

Revelation passages:
Revelation 2:4-5, "'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 'Remember therefore from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you, and will remove your lampstand out of its place-unless you repent."​
Revelation 3:5, 'He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels."​
Revelation 3:16-17, "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 'Because you say, I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked."​

Old Testament passages:
Ezekiel 18:24-26, "But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die."​

The fact the Bible exhorts to faithfulness proves one can be lost:
  1. be "stedfast, unmoveable" (1 Corinthians 15:58).
  2. "For if these things be in you" (2 Peter 1:5-11).
  3. "we shall reap, if we faint not" (Galatians 6:9).
  4. "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life" (Revelation 2:10).
  5. practice these things and God will be with you (Philippians 4:9).
Man has a free will:
Joshua 24:15, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."​

The Bible clearly prophesied some would fall away:
Acts 20:28, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."​
1 Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"​
 
"Eternal Security" is also known as "once saved always saved," or "perseverance of the saints." In other words, once someone accepts Christ as their Lord and Saviour, there is nothing that he or she can do to separate himself/herself from God, and they will always be saved. This is a false doctrine.
Precious friend, with God's Word Of Truth, we prayerfully and Carefully find otherwise:

Because Of God's Own All-Sufficient BLOOD Shed FOR
mankind, there is Only ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism In Which God Has
All The Following "Profitable" Scriptures For The Body Of Christ!:

God's Eternal Salvation Is, In Biblical Fact, "in view" In God's Revelation Of The Mystery,
To/For Gentiles, Today, In His Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, Biblically Confirmed By:

God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
+
God's Eternal Life Assurance

+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth!:

Amen.
 
Yes but as some have stated in other posts and you need to take seriously is that God chastens those who are His.... and a believer should not quench the Spirit.

Doesn't matter since everyone keeps saying we are still saved even if we are living in sin.

I know others in my church that do things far worse than what I'm doing and they are still saved so it's all good right?



A great of of the NT are exhortations to stay faithful, live victorious and walk the worth walk, it also reminds us there are serious consequences for not doing so.

The only serious consequences I'd be worried about is going to hell and since it's OK to live in sin and we won't go to hell, it's all good right?


By any chance, did your pastor bring you to "salvation"?

I got saved in the church where he is the pastor.

He told me that I'd be saved even if I lived in sin so it's that right?

He said once saved always saved is the reality of what the bible teaches.

Is this not correct?



For example, I struggle with anger. It's hard to control my emotions. I "mess up" and have to ask my kids, husband, God to forgive me. But I am not actively thinking that I can lose my temper and just apologize after, as if I'm justified to sin.

Doesn't matter since everyone keeps saying we are still saved even if we are living in sin.

I heard someone say once that the bible teaches that sudden fits of anger is sinful, but it's good that living in sin does not send anybody to hell right?

Sounds like you could like murder your family and it's all good you would still go to heaven.


okay, God just loves you both as you are

Yep, going to heaven regardless of what I do or don't do!


Hope this helps.

Yep sounds like christians can live in sin all they want and they'll still go to heaven.



Your pastor has misled you.

That's not what most are saying here


"Eternal Security" is also known as "once saved always saved," or "perseverance of the saints." In other words, once someone accepts Christ as their Lord and Saviour, there is nothing that he or she can do to separate himself/herself from God, and they will always be saved. This is a false doctrine. Dozens of passages show, without any doubt, that those who believe in Christ can fall away if they do not practice righteousness.

So you are saying all the people replying here are wrong and chrsitians will go to hell if they live in sin?

I'll bet all these people are really mad at you.


Precious friend, with God's Word Of Truth, we prayerfully and Carefully find otherwise:

You are confirming than that christians can live in sin and it matters not because they still go to heaven anyway?

Is this what you are saying?
 
Doesn't matter since everyone keeps saying we are still saved even if we are living in sin.

I know others in my church that do things far worse than what I'm doing and they are still saved so it's all good right?

It actually is not at all "all good."

Living together, while NOT being married (premarital sex as well) which is a public covenant commitment in front of witnesses is sin and not in accord with the will of God.
Full stop

I am am thinking you have some other agenda going on, with this whole scenario you have posted.
 
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It actually is not at all "all good."

Living together, while NOT being married (premarital sex as well) which is a public covenant commitment in front of witnesses is sin and not in accord with the will of God.

Since all our future sins are already forgiven and there's nothing a christian can do to cause themselves to not go to heaven, seems like it doesn't matter one way or the other.

Are you going to claim that all our future sins are not already forgiven and that christians can do things that would cause them to not go to heave?
 
Since all our future sins are already forgiven and there's nothing a christian can do to cause themselves to not go to heaven, seems like it doesn't matter one way or the other.

Are you going to claim that all our future sins are not already forgiven and that christians can do things that would cause them to not go to heave?

READ CAREFULLY:

10 God hates sin... and just as a reminder.

In Acts 5:1-11, Ananias and his wife, Sapphira,
sold property but dishonestly kept part of the proceeds while pretending to donate the full amount to the early church.

They were both struck down dead.

2) That all sin has been atoned is not permission to commit sin. You are attempting to use the Grace of God as a justification for your personal sin.

According to scripture this is perverted logic and wrong.

Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. 15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not!…
Romans 6:14


3) SIN is destructive, mind, body and soul, corrupts the conscience, grieves the Spirit ... you will reap what you sow.


If you have not been taught this find a better church.
 
That all sin has been atoned is not permission to commit sin.

But as you say all sin has been atoned so even if we did live in sin it's all good because all our future sins have been paid for right?

Are you worried that all future sins have not been paid for or something?
 
But as you say all sin has been atoned so even if we did live in sin it's all good because all our future sins have been paid for right?

Are you worried that all future sins have not been paid for or something?

Seems you have an agenda to mock the Good News and the completed work of Christ Jesus for salvation.

Paul states your perverse line of argumentation comes from a heart of disbelief .... just like those of his time.

5But if our unrighteousness highlights the righteousness of God, what shall we say?
That God is unjust to inflict His wrath on us? I am speaking in human terms.
6Certainly not! In that case, how could God judge the world?
7However, if my falsehood accentuates God’s truthfulness, to the increase of His glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?
8Why not say, as some slanderously claim that we say, “Let us do evil that good may result”?

Their condemnation is deserved!

Romans 3:5
 
I got saved in the church where he is the pastor.

He told me that I'd be saved even if I lived in sin so it's that right?

He said once saved always saved is the reality of what the bible teaches.

Is this not correct?


I get it. I see what you're doing now. Pretty cool! 😊

Stick with Jesus only and you'll be fine.


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