Still saved, or not?

[JayWalker]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Secu...rles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

 

[Oncefallen]

Ultimately, the question is not about eternal security, but whether your conversion experience was authentic.

I am a devout believer in the security of a believer's salvation, but I also believe that many people who run around claiming to be Christian have been deceived about their "salvation". IMO, one of the indicators of true salvation is that the person no longer engages in unrepentant sin (notice I'm not claiming that true believers never sin)

 

[Undergrace1]

I would say, your situation will have to come to a head at some point. Either you will drift away from God, or your girlfriend will need to change, or you will split up. I wouldn't see any other options, and I speak from partial experience, though not your exact experience

 

[GWH]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Security-Charles-Stanley/dp/0785264175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7DFSPK5K2N5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H8ADhfWF-YGJpFdhj5lWkn9T0Mayr4jEaCIN3D1cUMCowyK6M8D9dpq9plOhc9bwaGJ2RN-GnYSiUTMF1oBRCxm8Zbg6KhLwtKl73CjQQdK2egEs6qCfvdkaZBkwmDrlKwShosPDJZciA0niQGP0UJyf_MVtXuik3ruTcwe89de9oP3yYYTuBgx8OBOUNlBV4aERWz9IK2-dxjx7WcmAvljTy1ehtTKAYVNIC11cbOg.WNsGDa2Q8j0Y0Z684ooDGYDabTbJzd9mdJv1rNErzK4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Charles+Stanley,+Eternal+Security&qid=1770317879&sprefix=charles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

I trust you realize God's plan for sex, which the Christ who gave you rebirth cites in TOJ #104:

Marriage is a spiritual union until death. [Matt. 19:4-6] The phrase about leaving one’s father and mother means that a man—and a woman—should be ready for marriage by attaining a sufficient degree of independence from their parents, both financial and psychological. They should be prepared to become parents themselves, even if they hope not to have a child for awhile, which means they should be rather spiritually mature, having the same love for each other as Christ has for His bride, the church.

The marital commitment is (or should be, cf. TOJ #109) signified by sexual union or becoming “one flesh” (Gen. 2:24), although it may be proper to fulfill legal and traditional expectations such as licenses and ceremonies for the purpose of avoiding being “a stumbling block to the weak” (1Cor. 8:9), who do not understand the essence of marriage. Obviously, that which must not be separated is the spiritual unity, so the sin of divorce also is a spiritual event and reality before it becomes a legal one. This realization should motivate spouses to work on the quality of their communication before serious problems develop in their relationship. (See TOJ #26.)

TOJ #109: Do not commit adultery. [Matt. 19:18] Certainly, this teaching could be viewed as part of TOJ #24, but our society stresses (idolizes?) sexuality so much that it is needful to reiterate that sexual intercourse is the act of marriage in the eyes of God (TOJ #104), so that anyone who has sex with a second partner commits both fornication (extra-marital sex) and adultery.

Much of secular society (music, movies, etc.) normalizes (and almost requires via peer pressure) sexual sins (“playboys”, “responsible sex”, “alternative lifestyles”, etc.). Such morally weak people should hope someone invents a pill (called “Cold Shower”?) that diminishes their libido and temptation to be promiscuous! {Mark 10:19, Luke 18:20}

TOJ #26: You should not divorce. [Matt. 5:31-32a//Mark 10:11//Luke 16:18a] Jesus said that the only permissible reason for legal divorce is marital unfaithfulness or when the sin of spiritual divorce signified by adultery has already occurred. {Matt. 19:6-9//Mark 10:6-9} See TOJ #104 on the meaning of marriage. The divine viewpoint, which all humans need to acquire, is that sexual intimacy should mean marriage, that divorce is a spiritual disaster before it leads to a legal dissolution, and that neither divorce nor a miserable marriage are moral options. This leaves only celibacy or a happy marriage as permissible alternatives.

TOJ #27: Do not remarry except for godly reasons. [Matt. 5:32b//Mark 10:12//Luke 16:18b] Jesus probably prohibits remarriage in hope that reconciliation will occur, but understanding this statement as a blanket command that admits no exceptions is very problematic, because it would contradict other biblical teachings. Discerning whether spiritual remarriage is psychologically possible and legal remarriage morally permissible requires harmonizing several biblical passages:

1. Divorce and even adultery are not unforgivable (Matt. 12:31-32),
2. Not everyone has the gift of celibacy, the ability to live happily very long without a sexual partner (Matt.19:11-12, 1Cor. 7:9).
3. We know that God desires reconciliation (1Cor. 7:10-11, 2Cor. 5:18-19),
4. Paul indicated (in 1Cor. 7:15) that it is permissible for a Christian divorcee (unjustly so) to remarry if an unbelieving spouse was the divorcer (and, presumably, if reconciliation attempts have failed, because the “ex” has remarried or committed adultery/fornication).
5. We also know that many sins including divorce are committed before a person believes the gospel and becomes a mature Believer by LGW and the TOJ. When people repent of Sin and confess their sins, then God forgives them (1John 1:9) and views them as sharing the perfection of Christ (Phil. 3:9).

Thus, a reasonable conclusion is that this TOJ is not meant to be a blanket prohibition, but rather that a truly repentant divorcer (and even adulterer) whose former spouse has remarried may also remarry after some period (probably at least a year is reasonable) of counseling, celibacy and spiritual maturation, so that a successful (lifelong and happy) second marriage seems very likely. We must assume God gives the gift of celibacy to such a person long enough to accomplish this goal, because He does not let people be tempted beyond what they can resist (1Cor. 10:13). However, if a second try is barely permissible, then serial “marriages” border on legalized lust, which is an abomination that mocks this sacred union. The serial sinner would do well to obey TOJ #24 & #26 or pray for the gift of permanent celibacy.

Hope this helps!

P.S. Attaining moral purity is a lifelong process, and moral perfection is not attained in this life, but we should desire progress.
I have always been a one-woman guy, and my main answered prayer was for God to send me a soul-mate, which He did, so the closest I can come to a similar experience is when the Lord laid it on my heart that I should no longer listen to Rod Stewart's "Tonight's the Night" even though I loved the music because the lyrics advocated fornication. Thus, your days with the old flame are numbered!

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Security-Charles-Stanley/dp/0785264175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7DFSPK5K2N5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H8ADhfWF-YGJpFdhj5lWkn9T0Mayr4jEaCIN3D1cUMCowyK6M8D9dpq9plOhc9bwaGJ2RN-GnYSiUTMF1oBRCxm8Zbg6KhLwtKl73CjQQdK2egEs6qCfvdkaZBkwmDrlKwShosPDJZciA0niQGP0UJyf_MVtXuik3ruTcwe89de9oP3yYYTuBgx8OBOUNlBV4aERWz9IK2-dxjx7WcmAvljTy1ehtTKAYVNIC11cbOg.WNsGDa2Q8j0Y0Z684ooDGYDabTbJzd9mdJv1rNErzK4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Charles+Stanley,+Eternal+Security&qid=1770317879&sprefix=charles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

I love Dr. Charles Stanley very much, but he is wrong about Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS). The thing about him is that he was so big on being obedient to God that he never really strayed far from Him to endanger his salvation. He never "lived on the edge" to find out. That's why I love him so much! I know I'll see him in heaven.

You're asking people, but it's more important for you to directly ask Jesus what is the real truth. I would say that OSAS is false and Jesus didnt die just so people can keep sinning, but everyone else embraces it because it doesn’t require you to deny yourself and take up your cross to follow Jesus.

So if you really want to follow Jesus, then ask Him yourself and He will lead you to scripture that will show that OSAS is a false doctrine. BUT if you yield to His Holy Spirit, He will cause you to obey Him, resist sin and temptation. Abiding in Him and walking in His Spirit will keep you from falling away.

About falling away, you got saved near the end times where the Bible prophecied that many in the faith will fall away because of false teaching and people not really loving Jesus like the Bible instructs us to. So please be aware of this and don't be one of the falling away. Jesus loves you very much and has sacrificed so much for you unlike anybody here, including me.

I'm not going to give you scripture because you need to learn to study the scriptures with Jesus rather tham get God's wisdom secondhand from other Christians that might believe what is false. I will pray for you that you love God’s truth - that will protect you from what is false.

I hope you will post what Jesus is showing you in scripture and what the Holy Spirit is telling you what they mean and how you can apply them to your life!

 

[tablet123]

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

Charles Stanley is a good thorough teacher.

And I like his demeanor.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Every person that names the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity.

And that is what seals the saints on to salvation.

Not everyone that says Lord Lord will be saved for they were workers of iniquity.

If a person hates sin and does not want sin and allows the Spirit to lead them they can abstain from sin.

And God will deliver them from temptation.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Some people deny the Spirit to lead them.

And love sin more than God.

And do not come to the truth.

If a person sins they have to repent not wanting the sin and allow the Spirit to lead them.

Some people do not come to that truth.

But they believe they cannot abstain from sin.

And them living in sin does not affect their salvation.

But it is not true.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Sin separates us from God whether we confess Christ or not.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If a person holds on to sin the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

If a person believes they cannot abstain from sin they are sinning and holding on to the sin.

Then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

A person living in sin cannot be saved.

People do not understand and say once saved always saved.

But the Bible warns that a person can fall away from salvation.

They do not understand what predestination means.

It means God already had the plan of salvation before He laid down the foundation of the world.

And this salvation is to whoever wants it.

For God said He wants all people to be saved.

And He is the Savior of all people.

Not willing that any perish.

And the Spirit and bride say Come and any person can have that salvation.

And Jesus takes away the sin of the world.

Many are called but few are chosen.

If God chooses in the beginning who will be saved without their choice why is He calling people that cannot be chosen.

God does the calling and choosing on earth.

That means we have a choice.

When God calls a person according to their heart condition He will work in their life to get them to the truth.

But they have to make the choice to accept the truth for God's kingdom is love.

But they would not of got there if God did not intervene in their life.

Which some people did not come to the truth.

Many are called but few are chosen.

What was your position when you believed you were saved.

And what is your position now.

And if the wrong position there is a fix.

Believe in the truth to hate sin, and not want sin, and believe that we can abstain from sin by the Spirit.

And do likewise.

Baptists do not believe they can abstain from sin being in the flesh.

But if led by the Spirit it is the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.

So there is no excuse if the power to abstain from sins is there but we do not act upon it.

 

[Cameron143]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Security-Charles-Stanley/dp/0785264175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7DFSPK5K2N5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H8ADhfWF-YGJpFdhj5lWkn9T0Mayr4jEaCIN3D1cUMCowyK6M8D9dpq9plOhc9bwaGJ2RN-GnYSiUTMF1oBRCxm8Zbg6KhLwtKl73CjQQdK2egEs6qCfvdkaZBkwmDrlKwShosPDJZciA0niQGP0UJyf_MVtXuik3ruTcwe89de9oP3yYYTuBgx8OBOUNlBV4aERWz9IK2-dxjx7WcmAvljTy1ehtTKAYVNIC11cbOg.WNsGDa2Q8j0Y0Z684ooDGYDabTbJzd9mdJv1rNErzK4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Charles+Stanley,+Eternal+Security&qid=1770317879&sprefix=charles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

What do you believe? Is living with your girlfriend and exercising intimacy a sin to you? If you see it as sin, have you repented? Do you plan to continue to sin? Do you feel any remorse over the sin?

 

[Dino246]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.
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So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

As you're relatively new to Christianity, you don't really need to understand eternal security at this point, but you do need to understand repentance from sin, and, the larger question, what it means to be "born again".

So, I have a compound question to ask you:

Why do you think it is acceptable for someone who is "born again" (as you claim you are) to continue in a sexual relationship outside of marriage? If you are "born again", what did you leave behind in your old life?

 

[Snackersmom]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Security-Charles-Stanley/dp/0785264175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7DFSPK5K2N5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H8ADhfWF-YGJpFdhj5lWkn9T0Mayr4jEaCIN3D1cUMCowyK6M8D9dpq9plOhc9bwaGJ2RN-GnYSiUTMF1oBRCxm8Zbg6KhLwtKl73CjQQdK2egEs6qCfvdkaZBkwmDrlKwShosPDJZciA0niQGP0UJyf_MVtXuik3ruTcwe89de9oP3yYYTuBgx8OBOUNlBV4aERWz9IK2-dxjx7WcmAvljTy1ehtTKAYVNIC11cbOg.WNsGDa2Q8j0Y0Z684ooDGYDabTbJzd9mdJv1rNErzK4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Charles+Stanley,+Eternal+Security&qid=1770317879&sprefix=charles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

Hi @JayWalker , welcome to the site!

I'd have second what @Dino246 and @Cameron143 are saying.... rather than asking if you can keep sinning and still go to Heaven, a better question to ask yourself is whether you are willing to stop this particular sin simply because God says you should. Your answer (which you don't have to share) will tell you a lot about where your heart is towards God.

 

[homwardbound]

OK, here's the deal. I got born again not long ago and I attend a southern baptist church which is where I was born again at.

For quite a while before I got born again I've been living with my girlfriend and I still do. She is not born again and after talking to her about it several times she's indicated that she's not interested in religion in anyway and says she no longer wants to talk about it. We get along just fine otherwise.

Recently I've been talking religion with an older guy I work with that attends a different church in the town I live in and he's claiming that since I'm living with my girlfriend and having sex outside of marriage that I'm living in sin and if I died I would not go to heaven. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of by taking to others outside of the church I attend as well as outside of the opinions of my coworker.

I talked to my pastor about this and he is saying that once a person gets born again it's not possible for them to not go to heaven when they die even if they were to be living in sin. My pastor has acknowledged that he thinks I am actually living in sin but then also says I'll still go to heaven anyway which seems kinda odd.

This is confusing because my coworker and I have exchanged a bunch of emails about this and he has shared some bible references that do appear to be saying I would not go to heaven but when shown to my pastor he claims I can ignore all the bible references my coworker is speaking of.

My pastor is apparently a big fan of a preacher named Charles Stanley and bought me a copy of a book he wrote called Eternal Security: Can I Be Sure That I'm Going to Heaven? and in this book this preacher guy is saying the same thing my pastor is saying which I suppose is why my pastor is a fan.

In case anybody wants to know this preacher's book can be found on Amazon at https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Security-Charles-Stanley/dp/0785264175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=7DFSPK5K2N5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H8ADhfWF-YGJpFdhj5lWkn9T0Mayr4jEaCIN3D1cUMCowyK6M8D9dpq9plOhc9bwaGJ2RN-GnYSiUTMF1oBRCxm8Zbg6KhLwtKl73CjQQdK2egEs6qCfvdkaZBkwmDrlKwShosPDJZciA0niQGP0UJyf_MVtXuik3ruTcwe89de9oP3yYYTuBgx8OBOUNlBV4aERWz9IK2-dxjx7WcmAvljTy1ehtTKAYVNIC11cbOg.WNsGDa2Q8j0Y0Z684ooDGYDabTbJzd9mdJv1rNErzK4&dib_tag=se&keywords=Charles+Stanley,+Eternal+Security&qid=1770317879&sprefix=charles+stanley,+eternal+security,aps,407&sr=8-1

So what's the deal with all this? I guess I'd like to hear from both sides and see what bible references supports each point of view and decide what is right and what isn't when it comes to living with my girlfriend.

Friend in risen Son given you to love all regardless willingly. You are in a perplexity as like the Song
"Should I stay or should I go"

God just loves you and everyone else, or God would not have gone to that cross willingly to die for us all and then be risen where new life in Father and Son begin, thank you Lord. can you praise God for this truth?
Now, you are not married by man. Yet are you two married by God, regardless, I bet she hates religion? Man flesh is in the way of God, has been since the first Adam who fell
as the 2 Adam Jesus Christ did not fail. He would have if he did not go all that way to that cross to die once physically for all people.
Now as risen wants you, me and all others to agree God just loves you and her period. Therefore agree with God in his love And mercy of Son as risen for you to love all also John 13:34
Love your significant other as God has already loved you first. Talk with each other and let each other be free to choose.
Evil loves to take away free choice in people, any way it can
So respect her, love here in truth
Now, go in to your own closet and shut the door ready to hear from Father in you in Father's spirit and Truth for you too,
You are in Father's hands Dad, Loves you unconditionally, and each new child changes willingly over time in never giving up on Father knows best for us all, never forced or manipulated by God ever. People do that and is what is going on with you from others that say they know and do not know truth over error God does Thank you Father leads anyone tha tis willing for that to be

Love overcame evil and to this day still does, Love overcomes evil always, God's love for each person personally, thankfully John 16:33

 

[JayWalker]

Attaining moral purity is a lifelong process, and moral perfection is not attained in this life

So it's like my pastor says then right? I cannot lose my salvation regardless?

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.

are willing to stop this particular sin simply because God says you should.

Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

 

[homwardbound]

So it's like my pastor says then right? I cannot lose my salvation regardless?

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.




Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

while yes it is, as I in past did that, until I came to then of myself and ask Father in my own prayer closet and heard later, "I just love you and everyone. I did for you what each person needs as well as all others forever. 1John 2:1-27 verse 27 I hold onto in trust to God over everyone else, includes myself
I can't hate anymore ever

 

[Cameron143]

So it's like my pastor says then right? I cannot lose my salvation regardless?

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.




Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

No, your lifestyle is a reflection of whether you have actually been converted. When someone is truly saved, the Holy Spirit indwells them and all things become new. If one is remaining the same, they aren't becoming new. So while someone who is saved will remain saved, just calling oneself saved isn't salvation. No change...no salvation in the first place.

 

[ResidentAlien]

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.

In Eternal Security Stanley says: "The apostle’s meaning is evident. Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy. Christ will remain faithful." p. 93. He's not talking about someone who made a profession of faith but wasn't sincere and not really saved to begin with; he's talking about a genuinely saved person. According to him, they can renounce Christ and become an unbeliever and still be saved. Personally, I wouldn't walk, but run from anyone who teaches something like that.

 

[HeIsHere]

So it's like my pastor says then right? I cannot lose my salvation regardless?

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.




Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

Justified is justified.

Beware there is false doctrine called "Lordship Salvation."

"Lordship Salvation" tricks you into thinking you believe in Grace Alone, while in reality you’re working every day to be righteous enough to prove you’re saved. It is not based on the righteousness of Christ, but on how righteous your life looks.

Since our deeds cannot save us, nor can they un-save us, nor do they prove salvation, however we are called to walk the worthy walk so as to glorify the One who paid the price for our completed salvation.

However as an adopted son/daughter remember that ..

Hebrews 12:6 states, "
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives" (ESV),

 

[Snackersmom]

Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

I'm definitely not saying that salvation comes through our lifestyle, if it did we'd all be toast .

What I'm saying is that if you truly believe that Jesus has bought you eternal life through His soul-rending sacrifice, and you ALSO believe that He is telling you to stop having sex with your girlfriend, then why is that not important to you?

Like, say you're homeless and your friend Mike takes you in. After a few weeks, Mike asks you to start putting your dirty dishes in the sink instead of leaving them strewn about. But instead of doing what he asked, you are calling his friends and asking if they think He will kick you out if you keep leaving the dishes everywhere.

That's why I asked if you would stop simply because He asked you to. In the above scenario Mike represents Jesus, and nobody is really showing any respect to Mike or his House.

 

[Snackersmom]

I'm definitely not saying that salvation comes through our lifestyle, if it did we'd all be toast .

What I'm saying is that if you truly believe that Jesus has bought you eternal life through His soul-rending sacrifice, and you ALSO believe that He is telling you to stop having sex with your girlfriend, then why is that not important to you?

Like, say you're homeless and your friend Mike takes you in. After a few weeks, Mike asks you to start putting your dirty dishes in the sink instead of leaving them strewn about. But instead of doing what he asked, you are calling his friends and asking if they think He will kick you out if you keep leaving the dishes everywhere.

That's why I asked if you would stop simply because He asked you to. In the above scenario Mike represents Jesus, and nobody is really showing any respect to Mike or his House.

Quoting my own post, wheee!!!

Just as an addendum, I wanted to say that I get that this is fresh and raw and getting "real". Emotions are involved and your lady is probably feeling a little hurt and confused. It's tough, I know...never been in your exact situation but I have had some tough reckonings with the fact that what I desperately want is not always what God wants.

It can take time to accept that..... making Jesus your Savior is so easy, but making Him your Lord not as much. But remember that He does know what He's doing and will be with you every step of the way.

Best!

 

[homwardbound]

I'm definitely not saying that salvation comes through our lifestyle, if it did we'd all be toast .

A fact thanks for that
As for the rest of that post, great analogy to bring home Father God's reality in love to us all, thank you
I lived with my wife now. we were not married at first, now are. Both willingly thank you over 42 years now
It takes both to be willing for anything to last through, mainly with Father and risen Son, Jesus in the lead once anyone is willing. One, anyone will see and will willingly have compassion to each other after having it from Father and Son first Thanks

 

[Blade]

Its not sin because some Christian told you it was. And lets get this out of the way.. there is no sin that breaks that causes you to lose you salvation. You have to know Christ came died rose (shouting time) for you and then reject it and go off sinning. Whats left for you? Judgment.

Haha ask us go for it ask us about our lives and what we did when He first found us. We all fall we all miss it..we all get dusty.. just get up dust off and keep going. So pray ask Him about this. This preacher one day just something felt wrong so he prayed.. the church prayed.. they got alone prayed for days seeking the lord. One day Christ shows up. At one point Christ said "if I had come I would have left you here". Saved yes. He didn't know why then he finds him self back in the past preaching undressing women.. now driving looking out the window lusting after women. Oh yes he got right repented.

In this case .. he said he didn't know it was sin.. I have a problem with that.. yet well do something we personally believe is not sin yet odd were saved. Sin hinders God sin means less rewards. But I can not freely willingly sin and then say ooh I am a follower of Christ. I can have things in my life I am working on.. God help me here or there.. I am say stuck in this sin.. please help me.. things like that but no who cares.. freely sin. No no no. walking a fine line no one can answer and you do not want to do that.

Why Stanly said about some that can sin and still be saved but have no reward. Its that person that does not believe its a sin. Because I say it is .. means nothing. They have to know GOD said it was inside their heart. In other places.. just having braids in your hair.. sin lost. its crazy what we do to His Children. He does not will not condemn you. There is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus.

So pray ask Him. Fact.. sorry but.. there is no maybe someday she will believe. what I would do or not do matters not. He loves you He is not against you..what He started He will finish. Don't get caught up in sin..don't get caught up and seeing sin here sin there. No just get your eyes on Jesus.. ask Him.. lord I am stuck here and (just saying) I don't want to Change but help me change.. Change my heart to be like yours. Or what ever .. ask Him.. He is real.... He will always help.. we need to ask and then know He will.

 

[Howdy]

So it's like my pastor says then right? I cannot lose my salvation regardless?

My pastor made a big deal out of wanting me to read that book from Charles Stanley and he says the same thing that a person can never lose their salvation regardless of what their lifestyle is like.




Since my pastor is telling me a person cannot go to hell once they are born again and has bible references to back up his belief then it seems to me that this is a non issue.

Are you saying my salvation is dependent upon how I live?

I've heard some people say that is trying top earn your salvation. Is it?

How you live is a good indication of your salvation being true or not.
If you can continue to have sex out of wedlock without any conviction by the Holy Spirit, I would suggest you rethink your standing before God.
A lot of people are deceived by Satan.
Go back to that moment and consider what happened and why it happened.
A person that is truly saved cannot continue to live as they did before their salvation without a tremendous amount of spiritual pain.
You will be miserable if you continue in sin and are saved.