SPEAKING TONGUES

[Bible_Highlighter]

In the Upper Room they all Spoke them at once with no interpreter.

And Paul is addressing the Corinthians who were pagans and did many things incorrect.

Right, but such a command has not been given yet.
This proves that not everything written in the New Testament remains exactly the same in all points in time.
Plus, Pentecost was a unique event that was actually spoken about ahead of time by John the Baptist, and Jesus. It was not meant to be a repeat event that would take place over and over and over again. Yes, Cornelius and his household experienced that event, but this is not normative for all believers.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Right, but such a command has not been given yet.
This proves that not everything written in the New Testament remains exactly the same in all points in time.
Plus, Pentecost was a unique event that was actually spoken about ahead of time by John the Baptist, and Jesus. It was not meant to be a repeat event that would take place over and over and over again.

But the command was only given to the Corinthians.

Paul established multiple churches and only addressed this with the Corinthians.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

But the command was only given to the Corinthians.

With that line of reasoning we would have to conclude that none of the New Testament applies to us believers.
Besides, Paul does not say that only the Corinthian believers are obligated to follow this instruction and not other believers.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 says all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. Peter calls Paul's writings as Scripture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

And Paul is addressing the Corinthians who were pagans and did many things incorrect.

Not "pagans" but "Christians who had once been pagan". Now that may have been a part of the issue, but there was also the issue of carnality which Paul had brought up earlier. Some of those Corinthian Christians may have been wanting to exhibit this gift to show others how spiritual they were. But since Paul insisted that (a) there always be an interpreter and (b) women were not allowed to speak in the assembly, that would have controlled the speaking of tongues. It is also significant that this issue does not come up in any of his other epistles.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

With that line of reasoning we would have to conclude that none of the New Testament applies to us believers.
Besides, Paul does not say that only the Corinthian believers are obligated to follow this instruction and not other believers.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 says all Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness. Peter calls Paul's writings as Scripture.

Look at the first 3 Chapters in Revelation, the 7 churches. Those were set-up by Paul. If you read, they all have different problems. Jesus has John address them. When you read Corinthians, you see they were not even speaking in tongues but just running their mouth. Paul even has to explain it happens when the Holy Spirit gives the utterance. So they were just pretending. That's the main reason Paul gave them correction.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Not "pagans" but "Christians who had once been pagan". Now that may have been a part of the issue, but there was also the issue of carnality which Paul had brought up earlier. Some of those Corinthian Christians may have been wanting to exhibit this gift to show others how spiritual they were. But since Paul insisted that (a) there always be an interpreter and (b) women were not allowed to speak in the assembly, that would have controlled the speaking of tongues. It is also significant that this issue does not come up in any of his other epistles.

It is interesting that Pentecostal and Charismatic churches speak in tongues without an interpreter, and they have women pastors. This goes against two of the commands given to us in 1 Corinthians 14. How crazy. The very thing that God's Word tells us believers not to do, they just do it. There is no fear of God today.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Not "pagans" but "Christians who had once been pagan". Now that may have been a part of the issue, but there was also the issue of carnality which Paul had brought up earlier. Some of those Corinthian Christians may have been wanting to exhibit this gift to show others how spiritual they were. But since Paul insisted that (a) there always be an interpreter and (b) women were not allowed to speak in the assembly, that would have controlled the speaking of tongues. It is also significant that this issue does not come up in any of his other epistles.

Yes, they were doing things by the flesh and not the Spirit.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It is interesting that Pentecostal and Charismatic churches speak in tongues without an interpreter, and they have women pastors. This goes against two of the commands given to us in 1 Corinthians 14. How crazy. The very thing that God's Word tells us believers not to do, they just do it. There is no fear of God today.

The decree about women is according to the LAW. Are we still under the Law.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Look at the first 3 Chapters in Revelation, the 7 churches. Those were set-up by Paul. If you read, they all have different problems. Jesus has John address them. When you read Corinthians, you see they were not even speaking in tongues but just running their mouth. Paul even has to explain it happens when the Holy Spirit gives the utterance. So they were just pretending. That's the main reason Paul gave them correction.

Most of the churches in Revelation need to repent, or they will not enter God's Kingdom. That was one of the major points of the report card on the seven churches. Also, you are coming up with weak excuses that do not hold any kind of weight in Scripture. Even if they were just running their mouths (Which it could very well be), they were being told by the apostle Paul not to speak in tongues without an interpreter, and we see most Pentecostal / Charismatic believers break this very command.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The decree about women is according to the LAW. Are we still under the Law.

You are making stuff up. There is no indication in the text that Paul was teaching exclusively the Old Law. He clearly states in verse 37 that what he writes (Which is Scripture) should be regarded as the Lord's commandments. He does not say do not worry about some of the things he stated because they are only a part of the Old Law.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Most of the churches in Revelation need to repent, or they will not enter God's Kingdom. That was one of the major points of the report card on the seven churches. Also, you are coming up with weak excuses that do not hold any kind of weight in Scripture. Even if they were just running their mouths (Which it could very well be), they were being told by the apostle Paul not to speak in tongues without an interpreter, and we see most Pentecostal / Charismatic believers break this very command.

Why would Paul say they needed an interpreter?
They were just pretending.
What would an interpreter do to pretending?
Prove they're pretending.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

You are making stuff up. There is no indication in the text that Paul was teaching exclusively the Old Law. He clearly states in verse 37 that what he writes (Which is Scripture) should be regarded as the Lord's commandments. He does not say do not worry about some of the things he stated because they are only a part of the Old Law.

Am I just making it up or you don't know your Scripture?

34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

 

[CS1]

Actually, I believe they are in disobedience to God’s command. 1 Corinthians 14 clearly says, “But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; …“ (1 Corinthians 14:28).

Most Pentecost churches are filled with those who speak in tongues regardless if there is an interpreter or not.
Meaning, they are not keeping silence in the church if no interpreter is present.

In addition, 1 Corinthians 14:28 is also not a suggestion but a commandment.

Paul continues to say:

”If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” (1 Corinthians 14:37-38).

So this is very serious. See 1 John 2:4.

read it again

it says if there is no interpretation, let him keep silent but pray to themselves. The keep silent is not contextual with don't speak at all means to pray in tongues silently

 

[notmyown]

Am I just making it up or you don't know your Scripture?

34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

where? where in the Sinai legislation is that stated? thank you.

 

[Godswilling]

This is what happened to the disciples on the day of Pentecost and suddenly they speaking in tongues.
ACTS 2:1-4
2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

When Jesus arrived in Israel, the basis of the Jews in salvation was the Word of God in the Old Testament.
Yes, the Jews were following God's law.
And that is what Jesus taught to his disciples, to follow the law because Jesus himself followed the law.
MATTHEW 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

But on the Day of Pentecost only the disciples filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues.

How come the Scribes & Pharisees who are following the law did not filled with Holy Ghost and did not speak in tongues?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

where? where in the Sinai legislation is that stated? thank you.

Ask Paul, he wrote it in 1st Corinthians.

I have never located it myself so not sure what Paul is attempting to do here.

I have read where Theologians and Scholars believe Paul is using Adam before Eve idioms.
But the Garden is not the Law either.
So Paul is kind of doing "his own thing" here and for what reason is unknown.

 

[BibleStudent60]

What is a Speaking Tongues?
Is it necessary to speak in tongues in our times?

When I have seen videos of those who claim to speak in tongues, I see persons caught up in a hyper-emotional rhapsody that involves uttering nonsensical words. I have never seen evidence that these people are speaking actual languages. Additionally, if everyone in the audience speaks Language A, then why speak in Language B, if such a prodigious linguistic feat were even possible.

I teach in the World Languages Department at a local college and we speak about "being life-long learners" of a foreign language. In fact, it takes YEARS to master a foreign language. Thus, although I believe this miraculous gift existed at one time, I doubt it exists now...

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

When I have seen videos of those who claim to speak in tongues, I see persons caught up in a hyper-emotional rhapsody that involves uttering nonsensical words. I have never seen evidence that these people are speaking actual languages. Additionally, if everyone in the audience speaks Language A, then why speak in Language B, if such a prodigious linguistic feat were even possible.

I teach in the World Languages Department at a local college and we speak about "being life-long learners" of a foreign language. In fact, it takes YEARS to master a foreign language. Thus, although I believe this miraculous gift existed at one time, I doubt it exists now...

If the verse I am about to present is factual, to which I believe it is, you being a linguist would never understand speaking in tongues to begin with.

2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

..."for no one understands him"... would include yourself and your colleagues.

 

[homwardbound]

When you take into consideration the average church Paul set up was 10-15 people, nothing that happens today is similar by comparison. But I also look at it this way. There are people who do not have the Gift and they tend to claim cessation. So why would someone with the Gift care about the opinion of someone without the Gift? Those people have other Gifts Tongue Speakers don't have. That's how God designed it to be.

One Body, many parts, and if a part is not up to the task, another part gets extra sensational to get the job done, as in Job would not deny God and so it is for us also to not deny God and see new daily in growing up into maturity, as Gof permits Hebrews 5:12= Chapter 6

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

One Body, many parts, and if a part is not up to the task, another part gets extra sensational to get the job done, as in Job would not deny God and so it is for us also to not deny God and see new daily in growing up into maturity, as Gof permits Hebrews 5:12= Chapter 6

Very well said!
I believe every Gift is equal because when all of the Gifts are present and working an amazing atmosphere happens where God is free to work within the Body.