Speaking in tongues

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Am interpreter would either be known or come forward. If neither of those are there then keep silent.
 
Here is an example in todays world...

A man comes forward and presents a mathematical formula that he says cures cancer. He says was given to him by someone qho wanta to remain anonymous.
He presenta the equation to the world. When NO ONE comesorwars to solve the equation...how do we know he is not lying? And why preaent it at all?


Another thing.hiw can anyone have the gift of tongues and be an interpreter? This preanta abaolutely no evidence of anything. Might as well say it plainly instead of that.

Seems pointless.
 
People love to run wild with these snippets from 1 Cor 14 also.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]I wish you all spoke with tongues,
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[SUP]18 [/SUP]I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all;
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They say, "See Paul wishes all spoke with tongues. And see, Paul spoke with tongues more than them all. Thus we should all just sit alone muttering to ourselves in tongues! I mean after all, Paul wished all spoke in tongues!"


The reason Paul wished they all spoke in tongues, and the reason he's thankful he spoke in tongues is because tongues is a sign for unbelievers.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;
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Thus if he was speaking in tongues, there were unbelievers around getting a sign of the Gospel (For their times). And if that meant unbelievers were hearing the gospel, no wonder why he said that he wishes all spoke with tongues.
 
I believe Yeshua, the Only Begotten Son of Our Heavenly Father is my Saviour.

His Blood has cleansed me of the guilt of my sin.

Anyone may question another's faith.

Anyone may question any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Questioning is just that, except when it is inquisitional or accusative.

The way I understand the Word, when it states to speak in tongues quietly for one's own edification, that is what it means.

Granted other forms of the employment of this gift are mentioned.

So to question this is tantamount to questioning one of the faith if he has any faith at all or accusing him of not believing at all.

Tongues will pass as is written along with prophesy, healing and other gifts of the Holy Spirit, the only gifts that will survive the fire next time are faith, hope and love, and they all depend upon love. At present I believe tongues is still a gift of the Holy Spirit, and it is not to be ridiculed in any manner, although I have seen it here in this thread. May God have mercy on the scoffers, amen.

The Blood of Yeshua is our salvation, amen.
 
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else if thou bless with the spirit, how shall he that filleth the place of the unlearned say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he knoweth not what thou sayest?
 
1still_waters said:
Tongues isn't meant for self edifying.
Tongues is a sign for unbelievers.

1 Cor 14:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers;

People read the verse below and interpret it as meaning tongues is for edifying yourself.


His point isn't "Hey tongues edifies you, so do it alone and in private."

His point is that the only one seeing the SIGN is you, and you're the ONLY one seeing it. Thus no one else is seeing the sign and being edified.

These things were meant to be seen, not to be done alone.

He makes this abundantly clear when he says tongues was a sign for unbelievers!
Well if you're doing it alone, there are obviously no unbelievers around to benefit, hence one is doing it wrong if they're doing it alone.
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[video=youtube;ho7796-au8U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7796-au8U[/video]



(they were so good...awesome)
 
zone said:
i don't get it.


and?

what does that have to do with Pentecostalism?

not sure what you are saying.
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What we think is and unknown language, isn't. The gift is to spread the word to all of the nation through out the world so that everyone will knows the gospel and then it will be the end. There's a tribe that's in Africa. It a bush-tribes, and they communicates by making some type of sounds that comes from their mouth, like a knocking noise, How would they here the gospel unless a Christian that know how to speak their tongue. It will be pretty hard for someone to have learn that language, unless they has lived among them from their youth in the bushes. So which God give this ability to someone to be able to communicate to the Bush tribes of Africa so that they will able to hear the gospel. He cannot make judgement unless everyone heard the gospel, and the devil knows that. So when someone speaking in tongues, they'll be thinking that they are speaking in one language,but it comes out a different language, or the language of the person that you are communicating with. Just how the way Moses goes to God and bring the word back to the people in their language. As how Moses had to use his brother Aaron to interpret some word from him to the people since Moses had spoken Egyptian and barely a little of Hebrew ( That is why the first five books were written in a style that's mixture of Hebrew's and Egyptian's words or phrases.). If the Hebrews heart was as Moses', they'll be able to feel what God is saying, but some were not like Moses and they only had heard the sounds of Trumpets as if it was a distraction from letting the hebrews to feel what were God was trying to say to them. They had satan in their hearts.
 
4enlightment said:
What we think is and unknown language, isn't. The gift is to spread the word to all of the nation through out the world so that everyone will knows the gospel and then it will be the end. There's a tribe that's in Africa. It a bush-tribes, and they communicates by making some type of sounds that comes from their mouth, like a knocking noise, How would they here the gospel unless a Christian that know how to speak their tongue. It will be pretty hard for someone to have learn that language, unless they has lived among them from their youth in the bushes. So which God give this ability to someone to be able to communicate to the Bush tribes of Africa so that they will able to hear the gospel. He cannot make judgement unless everyone heard the gospel, and the devil knows that. So when someone speaking in tongues, they'll be thinking that they are speaking in one language,but it comes out a different language, or the language of the person that you are communicating with. Just how the way Moses goes to God and bring the word back to the people in their language. As how Moses had to use his brother Aaron to interpret some word from him to the people since Moses had spoken Egyptian and barely a little of Hebrew ( That is why the first five books were written in a style that's mixture of Hebrew's and Egyptian's words or phrases.). If the Hebrews heart was as Moses', they'll be able to feel what God is saying, but some were not like Moses and they only had heard the sounds of Trumpets as if it was a distraction from letting the hebrews to feel what were God was trying to say to them. They had satan in their hearts.
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ok....how many Bush tribes of Africa are in American Pentecostal churches?

look....every missionary knows the full revelation of God - it's our Scriptures.
you won't find any missionaries going to the Bush tribes of Africa without a local or someone who can interpret.

if it did happen, and God willed those missionaries speak directly to the Bush tribes of Africa (without first learning their language) He most certainly could do it.

could i see any evidence that this Great Outpouring of the gifts for the raising up of the endtimes church to bring in the great harvest (ex: since the Azusa Street Revival) is producing faith in unbelievers in the Bush tribes of Africa - as strange people appear and miraculously speak about the Wonderful Works of God in the the Bush tribes of Africa`s language.

PLEASE.

not second hand accounts...if possible video or something.

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The Azusa Street Revival was a historic Pentecostal revival meeting that took place in Los Angeles, California and is the origin of the Pentecostal movement.[1] It was led by William J. Seymour, an African American preacher. It began with a meeting on April 9, 1906, and continued until roughly 1915. The revival was characterized by ecstatic spiritual experiences accompanied by miracles, dramatic worship services, speaking in tongues, and inter-racial mingling. The participants were criticized by the secular media and Christian theologians for behaviors considered to be outrageous and unorthodox, especially at the time. Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

Azusa Street Revival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - click
 
I am NOT a scoffer and I am NOT a doubter but I do question anyone and everyone who claim to speak in tongues yet his never met or seen or have their words interpret and then not provide evidence of such this is why Paul says it interpreter must be present so evidence can be presented as a miracle of God. Or else it is just questioning anything else is just some form of self edification.
 
Messenger_T said:
I am NOT a scoffer and I am NOT a doubter but I do question anyone and everyone who claim to speak in tongues yet his never met or seen or have their words interpret and then not provide evidence of such this is why Paul says it interpreter must be present so evidence can be presented as a miracle of God. Or else it is just questioning anything else is just some form of self edification.
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The Holy Spirit Intercedes for us when we don't know what to say and Speaking in tongues is one way it does that. You may not know what you are saying but you know that you are communicating with God. So, you might not necessarily need an interpreter. An interpreter is essential when you are prophesying in tongues in the congregation.
 
So again pure heart...

What is the purpose of self edification?

Edification is understanding the truth of Gods Word. Not simply a confirmation sign from God.
 
Cinque returned to Africa with missionaries and the remaining Amistad survivors. After his return he discovered that his family could not be found and his entire village had been destroyed. It is suspected that his family was taken and sold into slavery. He became frustrated with the missionaries and eventually left the mission. He later returned, shortly before his death in 1879, instructing the missionaries to provide him with a Christian burial.

Biography of Cinque

Cinque had made a promise if their God can get him out of the mess that he is in, that he'll bring their God to his people. New set of believers.
 
JaumeJ said:
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else if thou bless with the spirit, how shall he that filleth the place of the unlearned say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he knoweth not what thou sayest?
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This is exactly what it is. It is an awesome experience!
 
Understanding is unfruitful- so it is NOT edification.
And paul is saying when he prays he will pray with a KNOWN tongue for understanding.
And paul is saying in the last...why pray in an unknown tongue when the "unlearned" cannot understand.
 
Pure_Heart said:
This is exactly what it is. It is an awesome experience!
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1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

do you understand what you are praying and singing.
no.

this passage is about someone who had received NEW REVELATION....enlightenment about the NEW DOCTRINE...and COULD understand what God had given him...but since no one else there could (without an interpreter)...the man could STILL pray to God and sing to God WITH UNDERSTANDING.
 
Sometimes, when the meaning of a teaching does not include the exact word or words someone else wants to hear, it is not accepted as a response, although the meaning is correct. You can never win on matters of faith when they are a theme of debate.
 
No one who believes tongues is extant in use and varied in its application is condemning anyone else, however to ridicule those who believe the gifts do endure until the fire next time is not of love, therefore, in the love of the Yeshua and of the family in Him, I suggest all meditate on the words of Paul in regarding what a brother believes or does not believe; that is if you have faith in our Savior.



Rom 14:1
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14:2
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Rom 14:3
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.


Rom 14:4
 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
 
Speaking in tongues was a divine enablement which was for a short while until the all the books of the bible were completed I Cor 13v8. When you read Acts chapter 2 from verse 1 u get a picture of what was happening, the tongues they spoke where understood by people(Parthians, Medes, Elamites ect) since they were known languages. Look at the question they ask in verse 7 & 8. Now this gibberish we hear today... it has its roots in paganism, who fall into a trans and chant and end up speaking in tongues. It is not what happened in the 1st church it is not inspired.
 
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