Some thought about "Jews"
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Yes to every man the same Jew or gentile male of female it’s the same
God isn’t willing that any one perish because of sin but that we come to repentance and live
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
We need to hear and believe him but many reject the lords word
“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 KJV
and so this becomes impossible as they reject his word
“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 5:32
but if we acknolwedge his word of truth in the gospel
“if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
That leads us to repentance and righteousness to let the lord teach us how to live upright lives before him
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
Titus 2:11-12 KJV
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-31
Nah you're imagining things. The vast multitude of saved that no man can number is just a remnant of the vast multitude that isn't.
Indeed the remnant is specific to the Israelites of the twelve tribes . Which we see before the group from all nations they had tbier own covenant made with only them
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
( the first group is numbered and counted o my 12000 from each tribe of Israel specifically those who received the old covenant )
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
Revelation 7:4, 9-10 KJV
The second group isn’t finite and numbered it’s open and not able to be counted and this group isn’t exclusively from the tribes of Israel it’s from all the nations and peoples and this group also is acknolwedging the lamb with God shouting of salvation
the first group are those of the old covenant made with that group ( the tribes of isreal ) and thier numbered so low because it’s about the remnant of them that would be saved from the destruction and desolation of the old covenant people
“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
Deuteronomy 29:1 KJV
arhats the twelve tribes covenant with the same God before he became flesh
The second group is coming out of this covenant made with everyone
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;( people of all nations ) but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
The remnant is exclusively Old Testament prophecy I’m not sure why it’s a confusion
Here's a question for you. Is Jesus the ONLY way to God? Do the Jews worship and follow Jesus? Do they even uphold the sacrificial system? It be kind of hard without the temple huh? So I'd say they've stopped pursuing Him, because He tells us clearly if we seek we find, if we knock, the door will be opened. I know a lot of Jewish Christians, they are the ones that continued to pursue, according to God anyway. Do you think there's a "plan B" for them? Another way outside Jesus?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 4:12
Amen, and I can't stand it when believing this way is made to seem like I'm saying that God is just breaking His promise to the Jews and abandoning them, and "replacing them" with the Church. As if they're excluded from the club now. No! They are the chosen people, but chosen for what? To bring forth the Messiah and Gods kingdom into the world. Well guess what? They did that, they fulfilled what they were chosen to do and now ALL nations flow to God through Jesus, the Jews included. To act as if they don't need Jesus and are just fine doing what they've been doing the last 2,000 years is wicked in my view, not only to the Jewish people, but also to our Lord that loves the truth and wants them to come to Him.
Perhaps I can ask you a few questions?
What is God's purpose in creation?
Nah not interested in these kinds of games. If you have something to say, say it
Couldn’t agree more
all nations all creatures includes Israelites even after the cross it’s only those who reject Jesus , just like gentiles who reject Jesus that are excluded
it truly doesn’t matter to God where our flesh and blood originated through what genetic line it’s 100 percent about receiving the soirit of Gods son and becoming a son of God whether Jew or gentile the ones who reject Christ show themselves to be illegitimate and blotted out of the book they once were written in
“Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”
Exodus 32:32-33 KJV
anyone can be saved jew or gentile but only if we accept the gospel of our lord Jesus Christ
To glorify Jesus cjroet and create for himself an eternal family who will fill creation with him forever it’s always been his purpose and plan from Eden it’s why he
created people in his likeness and image like parents do , blessed them and gave them the earth he had created like owrents leave thier children the why he placed them with him on Eden and gave them free riegn over it all and why he also earned them of danger he loves them and didn’t want them to die
It's not a game anymore than the questions you asked me...all of which I answered.
What was God's original purpose in creation?
Sorry, I'm not interested in continuing this kind of interaction. State the purpose for your question and I'll see if it merits a response
God's overriding purpose in all He does is His glory. In creation, it was God's purpose to fill the earth with the knowledge of His glory. So He created a world and then created man in His image and tasked him to be fruitful and multiply. In this way, as man multiplied and filled the earth, the knowledge of the glory of the Lord would fill the earth.
When sin entered in, the image of God was marred and corrupted in man, natural birth would no longer accomplish God's purpose. No problem for God. He went with a spiritual birth to restore the image of God in man. Now the knowledge of the glory of the Lord is being proliferated in salvation. This is why the church is tasked to go into all the world with the gospel. And this is why the earth will eventually be saved filled with mostly Christians.
Yeah I’d say my thinking is coming from here one of Paul’s speeches after he was converted among a bunch of pagan worshippers arguing about temples and idols …..
“God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;
whereof he hath given assurance ( regarding judgement we have a living atonement advocating for us still today interceeding) unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.”
Acts 17:24-27, 29-32
and then other things of course like I think this has always been Gods purpose always but we’ve really made it more difficult tbrough the generations with man’s treachery against him it’s good that he’s merciful or we’d be lost we can be nherit man’s true place in cjroetianity tbrough christ not through Adam but through Christ
“And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
Revelation 21:1-5
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
Revelation 21:6-7 KJV
God created everything , then created man to rule over the earth as he ruled the heavens . A place for man to have a relationship with him and dwell with him ( Christ ) on earth in Eden …. and also a place for man to experience love and peace and family even gave man the abkility and even mandate to have thier own children and family as he had created them for . all of the actual valuables of life live family , freindship and neighbors and so on relationship that is full of peace and joy.
mans sinfulness caused the experience to be suffering and sorrows and death and pain and war and everything corruption brings rather than the little good we still experienced or such a short time filled with such hard times and pains
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:
But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
He also came to walk among them then remember ? Like it says in the end he will do again
“And they heard the voice of the LORD God , walking in the garden in the cool of the day:
and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?”
Genesis 3:8-9
it seems like his purpose can be found in the end and of course there’s his glory it’s already there it’s just his true presence that glory is revealed to us as we see reflections of it in one another when our hearts cup runneth over with his love
“Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
1 John 5:1-5 KJV