some questions about borrowing the "admin power"

[guestno2]

Hello there higher powers


I have some maybe silly questions, I’m kind off new here, so if I’m going to ask something obvious and the answer is somewhere already written, I apologize, if you can kindly just recommend link where it is all written down, preferably in one place …


And I also apologize for my EN (I'm foreigner)

My questions

1. Can user who starts a thread also locked up the thread (in case that thread is vast, I mean too long and disarranged or had already fulfil purpose or different reason)?

If not, why…

If so, how…



2. Can user rename the title of thread (his/her own thread)?

If not, why…
If so, how….

3. Can user in his/her own thread delete some ehm…unwanted posts from other users? Just kidding .. although it would be fun…. I mean of course person with deleted post could write the same post again, … I mean maybe if user with power (owner – author of thread) have 3timesoccasion to do that, in his her own thread … to delete post from another person, just 3 times… no? No? Nothing? ok…


4. And what about mine own posts? I know that we can edit them but just only certain time after, and then we are doomed.. I mean doomed forever

I mean we have to with misery and pain look at our own posts each time we enter the thread, isn’t it a torture?… An don’t tell me that we can explain ourselves in following posts, because there are always and always be some users who don’t care if we already correct ourselves … so this is sad reality, which is waiting for us?



summary
[FONT=&quot]Would you consider to give some “admin powers” to authors of threads? (lock up threads, edit posts or titul …)[/FONT]


5. Will I be warn before you ban me?


If so, how many times (3 warnings, 7 warnings, 7x77 warnings, any other biblical numero warnings..)

And in what form … I mean I will notice that I have been warned, just control question .. (stop viciously smiling admin, I see you)



Sincerely guest

 

[Ugly]

I'm not an admin, but these are all easy questions.

1 - No. Because this is a open communication forum and it would be too easy for people to write a post and lock a thread, preventing others from commenting. That would shut down the entire concept of the site, the ability to share ideas and get feedback.

2 - You have 5 minutes to edit/delete any post you make. After that you can't alter any posts.

3 - You can't delete anyones post at any time, and you can never delete an entire thread. Similar to answer number 1, all this does is give people the power to dictate what others say, defeating the concept of the forum, communication. And really, as a user, why should you have any right to dictate what another user says?

4 - Its your responsibility to make sure you check your spelling and are sure what you say is what you want said. Take time to reread and make sure you want something post.

In the ability to delete/change posts, lets say you make a post, then someone, or even a few people respond, then you go back and completely change your entire post. Now the conversation that follows no longer flows or makes sense because you will have thrown it off by changing part of the conversation in the middle.
Another reason is to prevent trolls from posting things that would get them banned, and going back and changing it before admins can see it and ban them.
This is an old, old topic and they are quite staunch on this rule, so no point in arguing it.

Why would they give admin powers, the ability to do things regular users? Why should some be allowed to dictate, with no authority, what others say on this site? The rules they have on these things are in place for a reason, and with, i believe, 14 years of this site being up. These are not just random rules they threw together because it sounded good.

5 - If you get reported and they deem the report valid, or if an admin just spots something you say/do, then you may get an 'infraction'. And multiple infractions can lead to a ban. The infractions Are your pre-ban warning. Unless you do something obviously trolling or offensive, then there will be no warning.
The infractions are assigned a number of points, and once you hit a certain number of points, then you can be banned.
Infractions and warnings will be sent to you in an onsite mail and will also show up on your profile page on a tab called 'Infractions'. This tab is only visible to you, when you are signed in, and no other users can see that you have infractions.

 

[Oncefallen]

He said it pretty well. ^^^^

 

[guestno2]

Thanx, ugly (what a nick) …. my regards oncefallen

Ugly, really thank you, it was thorough answer, more than I hoped for..

I see, that if you been here 14 years you must think about me (being here what ? a 2-3 weeks) that who am I to question decisions or .. and authority those who establish and build this site (that’s what I’ve got from undertone your post) But it was not my intention or goal, absolutely not, not at all …. really

I just saw, that … hm

There are a lot of threads living their own life, swirl in unreal and illogical turnouts.. I mean they start somewhere in Adam in ends in .. I don’t know in red pepper…
I thought that this can be fixed, if simply person-user who start thread (and therefore he/she know what should be the content) can somehow manage direction…
Now, I see, that all edit and delete idea wasn’t really that smart. Besides your points, there is also danger that users can get furious with each other or can get hurt and also this could leave to create more klicks or groups (I am newbie but I can already see fissions), which I didn’t think about before..

Although, I still think, that users should edit the title of thread.

Simply because I saw, that it quite often happens. Someone names the thread with title and he thinks it’s good good title. But from responses he realize, that he was completely misunderstood. For example…I don’t know..hm…Title like “Jesus didn’t die” author means that Jesus is alive, that he rose from dead… but bunch of users thinks that he disputes and denies fact that Jesus was crucified and died.

Now the author explains his view, but users don’t read his posts, they react (over and over and over) to title of thread. And if I, as a newbie, come to forum and read those kind of threads, I am just.. you know… asking why he/she didn’t change the title??

Do you understand me?


And it could be fixed, imho, if author can have permanent access to title … I mean manage/rewrite/edit title.

And I really don’t think, that it would be abused … I mean that trolls would be all happy about this …no, don’t think so… from what I see, there are (here) mostly reasonable people of middle age and older, not embarrassing and trolling teenagers…

Also there are many many threads on the same topic (btw, why cant they be merged into one?), if we could lock up topic, we would be preventing this. Also some threads are just everlasting rollercoaster. I simply see this working. One app of lock for user who starts thread, and they could lock it up or unlocked. If we are afraid, that someone will start a thread and immediately lock it up (I mean really??? who would do that…) it should be in the rules that you can locked up threads after 10 pages or 12 or ok 20.


Just thinking here out loud. You probably already discuss that and rejected it. So for this one I don’t need the answers. Don’t be mad at me.


In the main I really like this site. So I can live with how you designed it.

hm, ok

Be blessed

Ant thank you for answering my questions and sorry for bothering, and sorry for my EN.

Be blessed

 

[guestno2]

What an awfully long post I made, haha
[FONT=&quot]ehm sorry[/FONT]

 

[Ugly]

The whole idea is you have to think before you post. Re-read before you post. The problem isn't that people need to change everything once it's up, but rather people need to take more time verifying what they're writing beforehand. Taking and extra 5-30 seconds would save a need for correcting most problems.
And yes, trolls would enjoy this. They could title things one way, then later change the title to something bad. And trolls aren't all teenagers. And you aren't seeing a lot of trolls here because they get banned. But there are regularly new people joining and some of them are trolls.

If there are 10 threads on one topic, that are all separate conversations going in different directions, how would you merge these?

And there are a lot of people here who would take advantage of the ability to lock a thread. I think most of the Bible forum people would love the ability to write a post and lock it so no one could comment. Which would mean people would start new threads to respond, then lock that thread. If you think there are too many duplicates of the same topic now, imagine 20 people starting a new thread and locking it over and over. All this would do is make the whole situation worse, because instead of one thread filled with hundreds of responses we would have those hundreds of responses each as a new thread.

Most of the duplicate topic threads start from new users who don't know how to look for threads, so they create new ones. Except in the Bible forum, where, despite having the ability to respond in existing threads, and knowing that threads are already in existence, they feel their point of view is so special they need to start their own thread. See, even now people start threads on topics they know exist, just out of ego. Imagine giving those people more power.

Nearly every thread that goes long end up changing topics. Its part of the natural flow of communication. When you talk to a friend, isn't it common for your conversation to change topics as you continue talking? Same with threads. But since so many threads are of the same topic, what difference does it make if the topic changes? There are other threads that already exist on it.

 

[guestno2]

And there are a lot of people here who would take advantage of the ability to lock a thread. I think most of the Bible forum people would love the ability to write a post and lock it so no one could comment. Which would mean people would start new threads to respond, then lock that thread. If you think there are too many duplicates of the same topic now, imagine 20 people starting a new thread and locking it over and over. All this would do is make the whole situation worse, because instead of one thread filled with hundreds of responses we would have those hundreds of responses each as a new thread.

hahaa,you're right ... we are like that... sometimes..
ok, I get you
and I m back in my corner

be blessed

an thanx again