Sins cannot be charged!
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What would you plead ? " Didn't i do this for you Lord , didn't I stop sinning for you Lord , didn't I do something to make sure I went to heaven ? "
Or " Didnt i recieve you Lord ? , didn't you say you would save those that believed and recieved you Lord ? "
suppose Christ died for someone and they refuse to believe it.
what happens?
does their sin remain, or are they eternally saved in their unbelief?
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of One the free gift came upon all men unto justification of Life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of One shall many be made righteous.
(Romans 5:18-19)
the free gift came to all men.many shall be made righteous by it.
He tasted death for every man.
He bears the sins of many.
whoever believes has eternal life. whoever does not believe will not see life.
Sure if they have been regenerated and are reasonable. All are not reasonble, have you not read 2 Thess 3:2
Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2 and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
They will be believe it, because His dying for them saves them from unbelief. He gives them the Spirit with the gift of Faith.
o OK i'll be back inna bit i need to go scratch out a lot of things in my Bible and rewrite them.
let's see,
(John 3:18)
He that Christ died for is not condemned: but he that Christ dieth not for is condemned already, because .. well, no reason really. just because brightfame52 says so.
(brightfame52 3:18)
wow, this is gonna take a while. apparently almost the the whole NT is completely wrong.
o OK i'll be back inna bit i need to go scratch out a lot of things in my Bible and rewrite them.
let's see,
He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:18)
He that Christ died for is not condemned: but he that Christ dieth not for is condemned already, because .. well, no reason really. just because brightfame52 says so.
(brightfame52 3:18)
better?
wow, this is gonna take a while. apparently almost the the whole NT is completely wrong.
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@brightfame52
do you happen to already have a copy of the Bible that you've re-written?
i'm realizing that making all your additions and subtractions from the scripture is going to be an awful lot of work. it'd be more efficient if you already have a redacted/edited version i could just download, maybe a pdf?
thanks.
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@brightfame52
are you sure you're preaching sound doctrine???
Jesus said unto her,
I AM the Resurrection, and the Life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(John 11:25-26)
(John 11:25-26)
Jesus said unto her,
I AM the Resurrection, and the Life: he that I died for, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and I died for shall never die. Did I die for you?
(brightfame52 11:25-26)
this is getting really weird, really fast.
are you sure you're preaching sound doctrine???
@brightfame52
seriously dude i'm getting even more skeptical about your preaching with every verse..
hmm..
And this is the condemnation:
that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
(John 3:19)
seriously dude i'm getting even more skeptical about your preaching with every verse..
hmm..
that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
(John 3:19)
And this is the condemnation,
that Light is come into only a certain select few people, and men who Light never came to loved darkness rather than Light, because Jesus didn't die for them.
(brightfame52 3:19)
Thats talking about those that are not believers. Paul always reasoned with all unbelievers.
and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men ( are not Christians)have not faith.
see now you're preaching universalism again, with faith being completely irrelevant to salvation.
because the scripture is clear that Christ died for all -- what have i given you now, 6, 7 clear witnesses? -- so you are either denying the Bible as its written, or your argument is that everyone is saved apart from faith purely on the merit of Christ giving Himself as propitiation.
what you're preaching, despite every attempt at correcting you, is untenable, unless you throw out the Bible and write a new one for yourself.
friend why do i keep showing you scripture and you keep pretending it doesn't exist?
why would i do that -- why would a person keep persisting trying to reason with someone that refuses to hear them?
where is this in the Bible, do you know? who does that? who holds out their hands all day to a stiff-necked and disobedient people? who says, they will not listen to you, but still you must speak to them?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.
Christ died on the cross so as to further the work of redemption. Redemption is the act and process of God's work to reestablish fellowship between God and man as well as to establish righteous living and acting among humans.
SIN is that which results in death both physical and spiritual. Removal of the penalty of sin, death, does NOT imply in any way shape or form that God now excuses any man or woman from a punishment for SIN. Is God's hand so short that He cannot punish or judge? Indeed it is not.
For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? - 1 Peter 4:17
Judgment implies punishment for SIN. God may not subject those who've accepted Christ to spiritual death, but He can AND WILL subject those same folks to crippling punishment during their lives. (Hebrews 12:6) They may also suffer an early physical death.
Be advised and warned that God WILL have an end to SIN.
Either He will remove it from existence by destroying the body mind and spirit of the sinner, or He will punish those He loves so as to remove it from their lives. Either way it will be destroyed.
It is a constant irritant to the righteous to discover so many who earnestly and untruthfully DEFEND THE ACTS OF SIN. It is so among the secular unsaved world, but it seems even more active today among those of the post-protestant church who seem to love their SIN more than even the idea of righteousness.
Let the one who does what is evil continue to do what is evil. Let the filthy person continue to be filthy. Let the righteous person continue to do what is right. And let the holy person continue to be holy." - Revelation 22:11
One may apologize and excuse SIN all day long, but it won't last a moment in the eyes of the Lord for He judges all mankind rightly.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
""Christ died on the cross so as to further the work of redemption.""
Could you explain this please ?
It couldn't be any clearer. Jesus actually marvels at people's unbelief . Why would God the Son marvel at people's unbelief? Shouldn't he expect it ?
No one is saved until they are regenerated. Until then they are " condemned already "
We don't preach the Gosepl to people already regenerated. No where in the bible is this taught. We preach to people who are not yet saved ..Thats the whole point of evangelism.