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My original post specifically referred to, in the context of dating, women "not wearing makeup" (I didn't address cost or quantity beyond zero makeup). The mindless hysteria that has followed my post shows a purely emotion reaction. Obviously, it can't be because what I say isn't surprising or false, as established by the fact that most women do wear makeup, and most guys date women who wear makeup, showing they see value in it, value I'm pointing out. So, why the mindless hysteria?
I didn't say anything about makeup being a priority, especially at the expense of food. Are you really trying to set up a false dichotomy of lipstick vs. bread? If you're truly hungry, buy bread over lipstick.
If most women wear makeup it naturally follows that most guys date women who wear makeup, as that is what is available to date. To argue that this means most men prefer women with makeup is like accusing a business of racism in hiring very few black people, in a town where there are very few black people to hire.
Biblical submission DOES NOT equal obedience.
The only place (that I know of) in the Bible where one family member is supposed to "obey" another is children to parents.
So let's break it down:
All believers are to honor and obey God
Children honor and obey their parents
Wives submit to husbands (not women to men in general)
Husbands love wives as Christ loved the Church
Believers love God
Believers love one another
$0.02
The only place (that I know of) in the Bible where one family member is supposed to "obey" another is children to parents.
So let's break it down:
All believers are to honor and obey God
Children honor and obey their parents
Wives submit to husbands (not women to men in general)
Husbands love wives as Christ loved the Church
Believers love God
Believers love one another
$0.02
What's with some Christian women not wearing makeup? Makeup helps a woman look better, so please do. Makeup also is feminine, and I want a feminine woman, not a woman who looks like a boy.
I know some women are frugal with money, but not the ones I meet. Even women living on their own and financially struggling still love to wildly spend money, and want me to do the same. Don't ask me or your dad to help with your electric bill when you keep the oven running and your home chilly in the summer.
While this isn't nearly as much of a problem with Christian woman as with secular woman, feminists attitudes make everyone miserable. I dated a girl who claimed to be a Christian feminist. She was generally conservative and wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. What kind of feminist wants a man to support her? (And, what kind of man wants a woman who claims to be a feminist?)
Most modern Christians, male and female, are pathetic when it comes to sound doctrine, including the refusal of Christian submission. I think I have the soundest doctrine of all. If you're a Christian woman who can't name five books of the Bible, in order, don't you think you should be a little less militant in objecting to my doctrines and causing needless conflict? It's not just doctrine, so many people seem to insist on believing nonsense things, even when it hurts their quality of life.
Men might be worse on this point than women, but men aren't my concern right now. So many women seem to have little interest in dressing nicely, controlling weight, or cultivating sophistication. Twenty years from now, I want a woman who is a woman, not a middle-aged girl.
Gee. Tell us how you really feel.
I say it's ok to have preferences.
I say it's NOT ok to make those preferences requirements for errbody.
I say it's NOT ok to make those preferences requirements for errbody.
Let me say that I do not support feminism and the rebellion that is part and parcel of it, but the OP goes way beyond that, IMO.
Uh... yeah, about the popcorn... I ate it all.Don't just sit there; make popcorn!
Have some cashews? Grab a handful while they're here, I'm working on them already. I have two half-gallon jars though, so it should last a bit.
If people could entertain themselves by stirring up junk, they would.
Oh wait... they already do.
Hopefully the OP will reflect on the comments he is receiving and take note that the amount of negative feedback indicates that maybe, just maybe, he needs to rethink some things.
Or he'll act like a martyr. In that case, a certain nameless character in Proverbs comes to mind.
Or he'll act like a martyr. In that case, a certain nameless character in Proverbs comes to mind.
I did leave off of my list the penchant of some women to careen into hysterics as something I don't want in a date. The negative feedback, that is, the snowflake impressions, aren't compelling. It's their loss that they don't want people being honest with them.
How false of a dichotomy is it really? Yes most people can probably afford food and utlities and makeup if they so choose, but ultimately the choice to spend your money on one thing is the choice to not spend that money on everything else.
Sure some women see value in makeup. I know of at least one who doesn't have the money to spend on makeup, but won't believe her boyfriend when he tells her that he doesn't care if she wears makeup. Some women probably wear makeup because they want to while others probably wear it because they're afraid not to. So "What's with some Christian women not wearing makeup?"
Despite the way you rattle on about wasting money and feminism and poor doctrine and a whole lot of other things that are only connected to that question in ways only comprehensible by your strange mind. The answer is that some Christian women just don't value makeup. And there's nothing wrong or unbiblical about that.
That's at least the fourth post of yours in this thread which is nothing, not even pretense, of being anything other than a self-righteous whiner. The other posts I did ignore because I not so quick to sink to your level.
Is that why you started off sounding like a self righteous whiner?
I not so quick?.........Don't you mean...I'M not so quick to sink to your level?....And no....you've sunken lower than the Titanic with some of the remarks you've made in here.
Most women can easily afford both bread and lipstick. But, if they're short on money, turning down the thermostat a little in winter will save a lot more money than skipping lipstick for that date. Another reminder, I just expressed my desire for women to wear something other than zero makeup. I did say, or imply, anything about spending lots of money on their faces (I do dislike excessive makeup).
Her boyfriend does care, and she knows it. He's just trying to be nice. He wants her to know she's pretty even without makeup. He wants her to know that he's prefer to to give up the lipstick rather than have her utilities shut off.
Take note, he prefers her with makeup, else he would encourage her to skip it, rather than just say he doesn't care. By saying he doesn't care, he gets to play the nice guy while still getting the girl with makeup.
The connection between all the points is that they're strikes sometimes found against women I date, or consider dating. No woman has to wear makeup, if she doesn't want to. But, if she looks like a boy, I'm not dating her. And, in fact, not that I care, she's hurting her chances with most men. And, if she stops wearing makeup after she's married, then she's hurting her marriage.
There's nothing, per se, unchristian about going sans makeup. But, some churches (Oneness Pentecostals) are guilty of legalism in their opposition to women wearing makeup. There's nothing unchristian about wearing a little makeup.
Well, I'll be honest with you, and it's your loss if you don't like it. Your attitude is full of self-righteous arrogance. You have no business complaining about whether women wear makeup, as you aren't demonstrating the maturity required for a relationship with a woman. You're certainly welcome to your preferences, but they are irrelevant to the rest of humanity.
Do yourself a favour: find a mature Christian man and ask him to give you some mentoring in the areas of women, relationships, and humility.