For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
(Php 1:29)
(Php 1:29)
Since Saving Faith is not gift your premise has gotten off to a bad start, with respect . There are many things that are given ( After John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. that don't involve gnostic means .All has been given .For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
(Php 1:29)
Saving faith is not a gift? Since when?Since Saving Faith is not gift your premise has gotten off to a bad start, with respect . There are many things that are given ( After John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. that don't involve gnostic means .All has been given .
Since we recieve all things After we believe not before . Before we are saved we do not have the Holy Spirit nor any 'gifts 'that accompany The Holy spirit . God is not handing out gifts to unsaved people .Saving faith is not a gift? Since when?
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
(Php 1:29)
We are not talking about Holy Spirit giftingSince we recieve all things After we believe not before . Before we are saved we do not have the Holy Spirit nor any 'gifts 'that accompany The Holy spirit . God is not handing out gifts to unsaved people .
His sun shines on the just and the unjust alike, and His rain is for both also.Since we recieve all things After we believe not before . Before we are saved we do not have the Holy Spirit nor any 'gifts 'that accompany The Holy spirit . God is not handing out gifts to unsaved people .
reply 10# answered well .We are not talking about Holy Spirit gifting
You could have no faith were it not for god and what he did to draw you and what he did to save you. It is a gift if God that we come to believe in him.
reply 10 #His sun shines on the just and the unjust alike, and His rain is for both also.
No man is or has anything unless our Father allows........
THE PURGING OF THE FLOORGod only honors what God does, and He works EXCLUSIVELY within the perimeters of faith in the Cross of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:2).
It is a violent process of separating the wheat and the chaff!
“11 I indeed baptize you with water unto Repentance (Water Baptism was an outward act of an inward work already carried out): but He (Christ) Who comes after me is mightier than I, Whose Shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, and with fire (to burn out the sinful dross [Acts 2:2-4]):
12 Whose fan is in His Hand (the ancient method for winnowing grain), and He will thoroughly purge His Floor (“purging it, that it may bring forth more fruit” [Jn. 15:2]), and gather His Wheat into the garner (the end product as developed by the Spirit); but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (the wheat is symbolic of the Work of the Spirit, while the chaff is symbolic of the work of the flesh).” Matthew 3:11-12
WHOSE FAN IS IN HIS HAND
The Work of the Holy Spirit is here outlined, which will, without fail, take place in the hearts and lives of Believers.
The phrase, "Whose fan is in His Hand," refers to the ancient method of winnowing grain.
After the stalks had been pulverized on the threshingfloor, a worker would use a pitchfork of sorts, throwing the grain and the husk in the air.
Another worker, that is, if there was no wind, would use giant palm fronds or some other type of apparatus, fanning the grain and the husk. Consequently, the husks, which were much lighter, would be blown to the side of the threshingfloor, with the grain falling back to the floor.
This would be continued until all the husks were separated from the grain, with the grain being placed into the garner.
The idea is, the primary task of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Believer is to bring about this process, using whatever is necessary in order to separate the chaff from the grain. This "wind" created by the "fan" may come in various ways, such as adversity, persecution, chastisement, etc., but, to be sure, it will come.
As well, it speaks of a violent process, which is not at all appetizing to the flesh, but will prove to be invigorating to the spirit.
DAVID
As an example, one would ask as to why the Lord, after having Samuel anoint David to be the future king of Israel, would allow Saul to persecute him as he did, even causing great tribulation for a period of about 15 years.
The answer is found in Verse 12. Even though David was anointed by God to be the king of Israel, still, there were traits in David’s life that needed to be removed. Regrettably, those traits, as in all of us, could not be removed easily but only by adversity and persecution, which are meant to teach us trust and dependence on the Lord, in other words, that the flesh may be humbled.
David was anointed, but he was not ready! It would take this crucible of persecution by Saul to make him ready!
The story of Moses teaches us that “40 years in the desert was needed to humble the strength of the “flesh” and destroy its hope; the possible king of Egypt was now an obscure shepherd.” Exodus 3:1-2
THE BRANCH
2 Every branch (Believer) in Me (to have Salvation, we must be “in Christ” which refers to trusting in what He did at the Cross) that bears not fruit (the Holy Spirit Alone can bring forth fruit within our lives, and He does such through the Finished Work of Christ, which demands that the Cross ever be the Object of our Faith) He takes away (if the Believer refuses the Cross, ultimately, he will be taken out of the Body of Christ): and every branch that bears fruit (has some understanding of Christ and the Cross), He purges it (uses whatever means necessary to make the Cross the total Object of one’s Faith), that it may bring forth more fruit (only when the Cross becomes the total Object of one’s Faith can the Holy Spirit perform His Work of bringing forth proper fruit [Rom. 8:1-2, 11]).” John 15:2
JSM