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The prophet Jonah spent some time in sheol (Jon 2:2) which he said was
located at the bottoms of the mountains (Jon 2:6). Well; the bottoms of the
mountains aren't rooted in the tummy of a fish, nor under the sea; the
bottoms of the mountains are anchored underground.
Jesus spent some time in sheol (Ps 16:8-10) which he said was in the heart
of the earth, i.e. underground (Matt 12:40.
Now when you think about it, Jesus' body wasn't laid to rest in the heart of
the earth, it was in fact buried on the surface in a rock-hewn tomb. So in
order for Jesus to be in the heart of the earth and on the surface
simultaneously, the man and his body had to part company, viz: Jesus' remains
went to the tomb, while his soul went to sheol, which in the New Testament is
called hades. (Acts 2:25-31)
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The prophet Jonah spent some time in sheol (Jon 2:2) which he said was
located at the bottoms of the mountains (Jon 2:6). Well; the bottoms of the
mountains aren't rooted in the tummy of a fish, nor under the sea; the
bottoms of the mountains are anchored underground.
Jesus spent some time in sheol (Ps 16:8-10) which he said was in the heart
of the earth, i.e. underground (Matt 12:40.
Now when you think about it, Jesus' body wasn't laid to rest in the heart of
the earth, it was in fact buried on the surface in a rock-hewn tomb. So in
order for Jesus to be in the heart of the earth and on the surface
simultaneously, the man and his body had to part company, viz: Jesus' remains
went to the tomb, while his soul went to sheol, which in the New Testament is
called hades. (Acts 2:25-31)
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It's my opinion, take note of the word "opinion" that is was indeed Samuel that was called up by the woman. I say that one of Satan's demons or Satan himself would not have known or had no way of knowing that Saul and his sons would die the next day. Just my opinion.
Where was Samuel when he passed and was called up? He was in Paradise, another name used in Luke 16 is Abraham's womb.
If you are familiar with Luke 16, Jesus tells of the rich man and Lazarus. He says the rich man died and lift his eyes in Hell, whereas Lazarus was carried by the angels to "Abraham's womb."
There was a great gulf between the two that separated Hell and Abraham's womb. I'm sure you know the story.
Anyway, with the sin debt not yet paid by Christ, man could not enter into heaven and was still owned by Satan. When man fell in the Garden by the lies of Satan, he became the legal owner of man until he was saved and joined back in fellowship with God. Everyone who is not in relationship with God is owned by their father, Satan.
This is the prison all the saved were kept in until Christ paid the sin debt. It was called Paradise by Christ when He told the thief beside Him on the Cross, "today you will be with me in Paradise.
They were not on the burning side and had no suffering but were still being held by Satan until mans sin debt was paid in full by Christ.
I'm sure you remember when Christ bowed His head and gave up the ghost that many came out of there graves and the people saw them. It is believed this is the very moment the sin debt was paid by Christ and all the saints in Paradise were released and entered heaven.
There is some supporting evidence to this from scripture, but for the most part the events are placed together as happening in connection. Paul spoke of these captives being released also.
Abraham's bosom
You are correct, Magenta! I'm glad you were in the conversation about my memory loss, lol!
You will understand!
Yes, I do
Sheol generally means the unseen realm of the dead, either the grave
(the literal burying place of the dead), or the realm of the dead.
Yes, I do
Sheol generally means the unseen realm of the dead, either the grave
(the literal burying place of the dead), or the realm of the dead.
I believe that to be correct, while Abraham's bosom is a synonym for heaven.
Or paradise, since Jesus said to the thief on the cross, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." (Luke 23:43) Whereas Jesus did not ascend to the Father in heaven until three days later, as well as having previously said, "No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man." (John 3:13)
My studies have revealed that Paradise and Abraham's bosom are the same place, if I'm not mistaken, Abraham's bosom in used only one time in scripture, Luke 16.
Also, Sheol and Hades are the same place. In the Hebrew, Sheol, in the Greek, Hades.
As you said, this is the place of the dead departed souls, lost and doomed that is. Using the Hebrew, Sheol is the place the damned are held until the final judgement. With the Lake of Fire being their final destination after the judgement.
The old testament saints spoke of going to Sheol also, though knew it was not forever.
God will redeem my life from Sheol, for He will surely take me to Himself. From Psalm 49:15
Even Job, widely recognized as the oldest book in the Bible, said:
Job 19:25-27a
The old testament saints spoke of going to Sheol also, though knew it was not forever.
God will redeem my life from Sheol, for He will surely take me to Himself. From Psalm 49:15
Even Job, widely recognized as the oldest book in the Bible, said:
Job 19:25-27a
I see that you are well schooled in the scripture! That is wonderful!
Yes, The author in Psalms 49:15 knew he was saved and would be resurrected among the saints. His soul was safe from the place of the damned.
Unbelievable. You have just confirmed something that I've written about, but hadn't put the Sheol connection together with Jonah. Here's what I mean:
Our God is reasonable and rational, and it is absurd to think that a human could live within a whale for any realistic period of time. I have contended that Jonah, like Christ, had died for three days, but that when Jonah was vomited upon the beach, he was brought back to life just as was Christ. I missed the footnotes that paraphrased Sheol as from the "dead." In my notes, I mentioned that Jonah called out to God from his watery grave.
To date, I've never heard anyone suggest that Jonah had actually died. Not a single time.
Thanks, Web!
Unbelievable! Not only am I surprised by your teaching, but I am surprised that I simply did not understand these things as I processed the Bible thought by thought, Word by Word. I have literally highlighted the entire Bible with multiple highlighters, not moving onto the next though until I believe that I thoroughly understood them. Luke 16 escaped me.
I will be copying this work above and using it in my personal commentary. It is brilliantly written. Again, I am so thankful to gain these remarkable Understandings! (I am shaking my head, stunned and happy.)
Right! I'm just today getting this. I can't believe how wonderful this revelation is for me. I can't wait to look for more text that relates to this idea as I read the Bible over and over for the rest of my days. Amazing.
Thanks to all of you for such amazing participation!
I am so glad that I'm not the only one who believes that Salvation was Truly granted for those in the Old Testament. Whew! It scares me when I am the only one with a particular view . . . makes me nervous.
Salvation has always been by faith (Hebrews 11). Samuel was a man of faith. We know from the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that there is a place where suffering is over and a place of torment. I believe God to be perfectly reasonable and logical. Why torment someone you are going to annihilate? It seems cruel and pointless.
One thing is certain. God only saves sinners. Sinners need to be convicted by the Holy Spirit before they will repent. They need to know that God will judge them fairly, according to what they have done in this life. That is God's word, not mine. When I was convicted, my heart sank. I had no knowledge of hell, but I knew that I was shut out of heaven. Yes, I accepted Christ to save my skin. And I'm so glad that I did.
Revelation 20:12
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
Revelation 14:9
And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."
Hebrews 11 makes it clear that salvation has always been by faith. Abel, Enoch, Job, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, and all the OT saints were people of faith, in spite of their flaws. The salvation of the Lord is apart from time. Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So no, you are not alone in your view!
Gideon, thank you for your offering. I duly appreciate it.
What would you say if I told you that it seems that when Christ Circumcises a heart, that is when the Mind of Christ begins, and it is in this moment that a person is given the Ability to Repent.
Can a person Repent before Spiritual Circumcision?
Thank you for your thoughts on this . . . I really think that this group is getting somewhere. We are discussing things I've never heard discussed anywhere and I am extremely hopeful that perhaps the Lord is bringing His Children together so that by this "gathering," we will be a demonstration of the Power of God.
It is so important that we get along, and if we can all do that . . . again, it seems to be a Powerful Work of God.
Much respect to all of you . . .
Exactly! And I have mentioned these things before, both here and at another site, but was vehemently discredited. I was filled with sorrow over it, but now, things are colossally different. My heart is warmed, if not melted.
I am so happy for us! (Sorry for being so dramatic, but this is a really, really big deal that we all effectively communicate).
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Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests that he drowned prior to being swallowed by
the big fish. In other words; there's cause to believe Jonah wasn't buried
alive: same as Jesus; he wasn't buried alive either.
The language of Jonah's recorded prayer strongly suggests that he
underwent a resurrection.
"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."
(Jonah 2:6)
The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse speaks of putrefaction.
The very same Hebrew word is located in Ps 16:8-10, which Acts 2:25-31
verifies is speaking of a corpse, i.e. a dead body.
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Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests that he drowned prior to being swallowed by
the big fish. In other words; there's cause to believe Jonah wasn't buried
alive: same as Jesus; he wasn't buried alive either.
The language of Jonah's recorded prayer strongly suggests that he
underwent a resurrection.
"But out of the pit you proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God."
(Jonah 2:6)
The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse speaks of putrefaction.
The very same Hebrew word is located in Ps 16:8-10, which Acts 2:25-31
verifies is speaking of a corpse, i.e. a dead body.
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