Shabbat (Intent-- not Timing)

[vassal]

Apparently you cannot read, or your comprehension suffers!

Show me

 

[Magenta]

Show me

I just did. The Sabbath commandment is NOWHERE given in the NT.

Not by Jesus, or anyone else.

 

[Cameron143]

Are you testing me? There again you tell me (judge me) on what you think I know or not?
The Commandments are clearly written in the first five books of the bible;
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ( the first one)
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. ( promised Blessings to those who follow HIS Commandments)
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in itthou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

These the first four commandments, Jesus condensed into one for a better understanding they have to do with LOVE and Jesus said;
Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question,tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Cameron, it means to LOVE GOD with all your Heart and do HIS will., The Commandments are HIS will.

Those are mere words. Now...tell me what is involved in keeping the commandment. How do you know you have fulfilled all the requirements? Is it simply saying you love Him? Are actions required? What are those actions? How often must they be performed? Does your attitude matter? Your thoughts matter? What understanding is required? What is the role of the Spirit in keeping the commandment? What does it look like to walk in the Spirit?

I'm not testing you, but I am trying to show you something.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The fact the Sabbath was kept by Jesus and the apostles shows the Sabbath wasn’t deleted. The fact Jesus and the apostles taught on the Ten Commandments shows it wasn’t deleted. The fact that the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth shows it wasn’t deleted. God wrote His law on our hearts the Sabbath is a law of God and the only commandment that reveals the Creator of all heaven and earth. The one commandment God said Remember as if He had the foresight everyone would forget.


We have to have room for faith

 

[Cameron143]

your outwardly should be the same as your inwardly to use your strange analogies, otherwise you are the same as the pharisees , hypocites who constantly tested Jesus and his words. again you presume you know what i do and judge me.

Mat 23:1-36

I'm not judging you. I'm responding to your responses. And if you read Matthew 7 carefully, the admonition is not to avoid judgment, but to be careful in judgment.

 

[vassal]

I just did. The Sabbath commandment is NOWHERE given in the NT.

Not by Jesus, or anyone else.

I know this from your previous posts i read probably all of them, but where is it written that we do not have to follow the sabbath or that the sabbath is moved to Sunday? There is no evidence, i checked this already.

 

[vassal]

Those are mere words. Now...tell me what is involved in keeping the commandment. How do you know you have fulfilled all the requirements? Is it simply saying you love Him? Are actions required? What are those actions? How often must they be performed? Does your attitude matter? Your thoughts matter? What understanding is required? What is the role of the Spirit in keeping the commandment? What does it look like to walk in the Spirit?

I'm not testing you, but I am trying to show you something.

Then show me, answer your own questions since you follow the commandments, you know the answers? Teach me. I am listening.

 

[Cameron143]

Then show me, answer your own questions since you follow the commandments, you know the answers? Teach me. I am listening.

I'm happy to do so. But first, please share with me what you believe the answers to be. It will give me a launching point to build from.

 

[posthuman]

friendly reminder:

this is supposed to be a thread about what sabbath means.

 

[Cameron143]

Then show me, answer your own questions since you follow the commandments, you know the answers? Teach me. I am listening.

Actually, because we are dealing with the Sabbath, can you answer in terms of the 4th commandment?

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

To Abraham and Moses, yes. Not to born again believers.

Whether it was by the Law of the Old Testament or the New Law/Covenant, there's only been ONE WAY to be a member of God's Family. And the Old Law is still rectified under the New Law because if you "Do Not love God with all that you are and love your neighbor as your self," you ain't no part of God anyways.

 

[vassal]

Actually, because we are dealing with the Sabbath, can you answer in terms of the 4th commandment?

Like I said, you wanted to show me something and I am (really) listening.

 

[Aaron56]

The fact the Sabbath was kept by Jesus and the apostles shows the Sabbath wasn’t deleted.

No, it shows that they were still under the Law. The Law wasn't finished until Jesus said it was on the cross.

 

[mailmandan]

Who decides what is moral and what is not? it certainly is not us.

Anything God deems is righteous is moral. His Truth is moral. God deems all of His commandments are righteous Psa 119:172 and all His commandments as Truth Psa 119:151 so it's not up to us to pick and choose what is moral. God is our Authority and He wrote the Sabbath commandment in the same unit He wrote not to worship other gods, or vain His holy name. The Ten Commandments were never multiple choice or suggestions. Kept faithfully by God's people. Rev 14:12

It's not about us picking and choosing what is moral. The Bible makes it clear that the old covenant has been made obsolete (Hebrews 8:13) and the new covenant has replaced the old covenant. We are not under the old covenant of law. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9)

 

[mailmandan]

Since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made the old covenant obsolete to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), and the apostle Paul says that by bearing one another's burdens, we fulfill "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) So, love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9 10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. So once again, the law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

No, it shows that they were still under the Law. The Law wasn't finished until Jesus said it was on the cross.

There is no scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended at the Cross.

Jesus stated not to break the least of these commandments as one who does this and teach others will be least in heaven. May 5:19-30 Least means lost if you read the very next verse Mat 5:20
Heaven is way past the Cross.

Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. May 5:18 until we see Jesus in the clouds and all tears are wiped not all is fulfilled.

Which is why the apostles servants of God kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 so obviously didn’t end just as Jesus indicated Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23

 

[mailmandan]

The law of sin which is the condemnation death , not the law that defines sin. Rom 7:7. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins.

Sin is breaking God’s law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Jesus living in us we would be obedient to Him and keeping His commandments John 14:15-18 Rev 14:12

Then you had better be sinless and perfect 100% of the time and flawlessly obey all of God's commandments 100% of the time "or else" according to your logic. Does that describe you? Be honest.

 

[Cameron143]

Like I said, you wanted to show me something and I am (really) listening.

No. You're not interested. If you truly were, you would cede to my request. The reason you do not is because you don't actually know what is fully required of you in keeping commandments. You believe by setting apart a particular day and performing certain acts and refraining from others that you have kept the Sabbath commandment. At the same time you can't explain why God gave such a commandment or why the particular day is important or its relationship to creation the nation of Israel and the old covenant. Lastly, you can't explain the spiritual aspects of the law or how to perform the commandment in both the spirit and while walking in the Spirit.
I'm not judging you in this except as judgment involves discerning spiritual reality from what you have shared. But I have shared much of what is involved in actually obeying a commandment. And no one in and of themselves is able to keep any commandment. Like you, and everyone else, I'm incapable of keeping any commandment apart from walking in the Spirit. And I hardly am walking in the Spirit continually. By asking all the questions, I was attempting to show you the utter impossibility of living the life Christians are called to apart from Christ living in and through us. And as we grow in grace and the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ we experience the joy of the Lord as Christ fulfills the law through us.
I realize discussing such matters sometimes becomes intense and emotional, and offense can be taken. If this has been the case in our discourse, I sincerely apologize.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

There is no scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended at the Cross.

Jesus stated not to break the least of these commandments as one who does this and teach others will be least in heaven. May 5:19-30 Least means lost if you read the very next verse Mat 5:20
Heaven is way past the Cross.

Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. May 5:18 until we see Jesus in the clouds and all tears are wiped not all is fulfilled.

Which is why the apostles servants of God kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 so obviously didn’t end just as Jesus indicated Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23

Just from an observational point of view here. After skimming through many of your posts I conclude that you view the words of Jesus over the writings of Paul? Which I do in some regards myself. But if this is true, are there anything that Paul writes about that you deem worthy enough to apply to your personal walk in God?

 

[Aaron56]

There is no scripture that says the Ten Commandments ended at the Cross.

Jesus stated not to break the least of these commandments as one who does this and teach others will be least in heaven. May 5:19-30 Least means lost if you read the very next verse Mat 5:20
Heaven is way past the Cross.

Jesus said heaven and earth would pass before one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. May 5:18 until we see Jesus in the clouds and all tears are wiped not all is fulfilled.

Which is why the apostles servants of God kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 so obviously didn’t end just as Jesus indicated Mat 24:20 Isa 66:23

No one is saying that. The law continues. BUT those in Christ do not continue in the law.

"Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?"

"But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter."

"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."

And just so we're clear that the law includes the 10 commandments...

Paul wrote: "I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”"

The 10 Commandments...
#10 "“You shall not covet..."