Sexism

[Lanolin]

I thought would make a new thread following on from racism.

Because of more enlightened times, there is less sexism then there used to be in everyday life against women, but still encountering it from time to time makes me go what?!

For women its when men make comments that imply women arent smart, intelligent usually and often its based on looks. Or they assume things about women that arent true. Or joke about stuff thats no joking matter.

For example, cars. Now just cos some women arent driving cars like they are racing them, dosnt mean we know nothing about cars or only care about what colour they are. But Ive heard men joke that women only care what colour they are and that women only use them for shopping. Are only boys allowed to have these Toys...?!

And plenty of women have said they hate shopping, so am not sure where the stereotype that women all adore shopping. So please me dont assume stuff about us that just isnt true. JEsus respected women and didnt treat them like airheads. This is the man who told Martha to stop worrying about the housework and praised Mary who was sitting at his feet listening and learning from him.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

One thing people hate to admit is that often times stereotypes have a connection with reality. Not that stereotypes are 100% accurate, but they stem from some degree of truth.
The second issue is elements of stereotypes are usually presented as a negative, even if the factual basis isn't negative.
The notion that women are less tech savvy, for example. It makes sense. Often times tech issues benefit from some degree of logic. Women on average tend to be less logic minded. This it makes sense that women would generally have more trouble. But that does not mean women are any less intelligent, only that their intelligence lies in different areas.
We can switch it around. Communication. Women are better communicators, on average, than men. Mens brains, using that more logical tendency, are limited in the ways of communication that women excel in. This is not that men are unintelligent but our intelligence is elsewhere.

At the end of the day sexism seems to be mostly prevelant among a minority, much like racism. And like racism, there are double standards that empower sexism coming from women, while criticizing it coming from men. Which shows that neither side have a strong grasp on equality.
For example, you're walking down a street and you see a woman arguing with a man, smack him and walk away. Is your first instinct "oh that poor man, who does she think she is putting her hands on him like that?". Or are you more likely to assume the woman was justified?
Now reverse roles and see the same couple arguinging but he smacks her. Somehow, he, once again, is the bad guy. So we see a woman hitting a man the reaction is to sympathize with the woman, despite her being the one to strike another. And roles reversed you still sympathize with the woman.
Sexism. It goes both ways, at the end if the day.

 

[Lanolin]

I have never seen a fight like that out in the street.
When my neighbours fought, and woke me up at 4am I dont care who started it. Man woman or whoever. They are all wrong. You ring the police anyway and get them to stop. Its not for me to be the judge of argument between men and women...

 

[Lanolin]

Ive not come across the notion that women are less tech savvy though.
One of the ladies in my bible study was a software engineer. These days the younger generation are tech savvy and it does not seem at all related to gender.

I worked in an engineering school and while traditionally male dominated, it was encouraging to see more females enrol. I think it comes from women just not being given the option to become technically proficient from years back. If you give females a chance, they can excel in any endeavour they put their minds to. Its not because women are less logical...or mathematical. I remember the brightest math whiz in the class who got 100 percent all the time was female.

As with communication. I listened to a podcast that was talking about womens poetry. Apparently years back, women werent seen as poets and their work would never be published it was male dominated as well. But if women are better communciators, then why were there barriers and hurdles for women writers or poets to be published?

Its not even related to minority because women in most general populations make up 50 percent of the total number of any given town or city. Its not like females are the one percent of everything, in terms of size.

 

[Lanolin]

Those notions that women are less logical but better communicators are flawed.
I think just dont assume things that arent true about anyone. Men have deeper voices than women true and could boom across a football field, but then what about female opera singers who can shatter glass. Depends on whos listening, sometimes if im hearing someone sing and they sing too high, I wont understand a word of what they re singing. They could hit all the right notes but have no diction.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

I will admit I have an issue with being sexist in as much as my notion of personal protection.

If a guy is walking down my way in any way that I am alone or in any way vulnerable I will keep my eye on him intently and/or move so I’m as far from him as possible. Especially if at night I would like CLUTCH my keys and have them in the “I will stab you” hand grip. Lady goes by? No response. No self defensive impulse. Lady could have a knife and I have no idea.

I feel bad because like you do those things without thinking like shifting or switching purse sides or keeping mace spray at arms length..and the dude didn’t do anything. Yeah you gotta stay safe but I guess I could be LESS visibly insecure about it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

One thing people hate to admit is that often times stereotypes have a connection with reality.

This is true. Using the example of cars, most women would not be interested is doing an oil change or a tuneup. On the other hand, the way cars are manufactured today, that has become quite difficult for everyone. Also, women generally respond to issues emotionally and men don't (generally). So there are many stereotypes which reflect reality.

 

[JaumeJ]

I will admit I have an issue with being sexist in as much as my notion of personal protection.

If a guy is walking down my way in any way that I am alone or in any way vulnerable I will keep my eye on him intently and/or move so I’m as far from him as possible. Especially if at night I would like CLUTCH my keys and have them in the “I will stab you” hand grip. Lady goes by? No response. No self defensive impulse. Lady could have a knife and I have no idea.

I feel bad because like you do those things without thinking like shifting or switching purse sides or keeping mace spray at arms length..and the dude didn’t do anything. Yeah you gotta stay safe but I guess I could be LESS visibly insecure about it.

It strikes me as being wise with men, now always be alert, you are right, a woman can also be a danger…....though it is rare..

 

[Lanolin]

This is true. Using the example of cars, most women would not be interested is doing an oil change or a tuneup. On the other hand, the way cars are manufactured today, that has become quite difficult for everyone. Also, women generally respond to issues emotionally and men don't (generally). So there are many stereotypes which reflect reality.

Buts thats not being sexist, or keeping safe, I think sexism is more being derogatory of others based on their gender.

When you walking down the street in an unlit area you keep yourself safe and be vigilant no matter who walks by even men would do that.

 

[Lanolin]

Am just giving an example from the Bible that it talks so often in proverbs of harlots wanting to trap unsuspecting men. The harlots are prostitutes of course. It was common in Bible times and its still common now, more so with pornography everywhere and online. Women can be just as predatory as men.

 

[Lanolin]

This is true. Using the example of cars, most women would not be interested is doing an oil change or a tuneup. On the other hand, the way cars are manufactured today, that has become quite difficult for everyone. Also, women generally respond to issues emotionally and men don't (generally). So there are many stereotypes which reflect reality.

Hm its a messy job but that is why we going to electric cars in the furturs except for the powerful oil lobby wanting everyone to keep using fossil fuels. Even lawnmowers and blowers going electric which is so much better for gardeners.

It is only cos lifting lots of gas is heavy and men can handle it better than women. But if its electric all you need to do is charge the battery. And of course many of the things designed are designed by men and they dont really think of the ergonomics of female drivers. Its also like how dresses are designed by gay men and they have this idea of how women ought to look, but they dont wear them thesmelves and have no idea how uncomfortable their dresses and outifts are to wear.

 

[JaumeJ]

At another level, harlots are errant denominations, churches. Plahying the harlot is leaving God for aposstetic teachings (those teachings of man said to be from the Mouth of God.)

 

[Nehemiah6]

When you walking down the street in an unlit area you keep yourself safe and be vigilant no matter who walks by even men would do that.

Women should simply avoid walking down lit or unlit streets at night, and by themselves. That is simply inviting trouble. And men should also avoid putting themselves in harms way in this manner, knowing what is going on daily on the streets of many cities. A little common sense would go a long way.

 

[Lanolin]

Women should simply avoid walking down lit or unlit streets at night, and by themselves. That is simply inviting trouble. And men should also avoid putting themselves in harms way in this manner, knowing what is going on daily on the streets of many cities. A little common sense would go a long way.

Yea true why would someone be out at night alone by themselves. When I worked late night at the library we always had security for when we had to go home even to walk to our cars. Also the security would often almost always be men, so, it would be a double standard or illogical/irrational for a woman to think oh men are out to get me, if your security guard is a man too. But if you didnt have a security guard then yes you are at risk. Thats why safety in numbers. Even another female is better than you on your own.

Drunk and violent people can be men or women. Some of the biggest troublemakers that we had in the library were females on drugs. They would use the toilets as their drug dealing cubbyholes. We had to keep them locked and everyone had to ask for the key.

 

[Lanolin]

Touching emotions in men and women...thats not true that women respond emotionally and men dont. Men can be just as emotional, except instead of crying, they get angry. They can swear a blue streak or hit something. Thats is EMOTIONAL. Just a different kind of emotion but still emotions nevertheless.

 

[Lanolin]

Regarding cars, women do take care of their cars its not like they are car owners and never think to get their car serviced. But being around car fumes all day and tinkering is generally not a job women have the luxury of doing cos of all the other things that need to be done, plus it doesnt really get taught when it ought to for every car owner. But then women do marry petrol heads so they must like cars or have that in common at least. I think commonsense dictates whether you own a car or not and if your husband bought an expernsive car and is happy driving you around, it doesnt make sense to have another one as well if you going everywhere together.

But some men can be possesive and not share. Thats why some women need their own cars.
Ive also seen homes in north america that have like 10 car garages and there arent even ten people living there. The cost of having them maintained keeping up the warrants etc must be a fortune. The only thing sexist about the whole car thing is the attitude that men seem to have against female drivers. Women need to get from A to B too.

 

[Lanolin]

Generally men dont have this derogatory attitude toward women on bicycles it just seems like some men dont like the fact that women drive. Its kinda weird, do they think women wont stay at home if they got wheels?

In muslim countries women arent even allowed to have a drivers licence.