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The only thing I see in Exodus 16:27 is the fact that one man didn't obey and gather manna on the Sabbath... That doesn't mean that the manna was as a sign of their sin
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Thank you. You just proved my point about the ten commands being a witness aginst the people. (And even us)
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No he called them the ministry of death, Because unless you have obeyed each command perfectly. You are under the curse of death. Even james states we can obey every one, yet fail in one point and according to the law. We are guilty and under that curse.
Thats why the ten commands did not give life, it gave death, which is why we were supposed to look at it, and see christ when it came, because it was the schoolmaster.
That wasn't the ten commandments. The ten commandments were inside the ark the book of the law was outside
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Then again, Why did the high priest have to make atonement by cvering those things with the blood of the lamb? What purpose did that serve if it was not that those things were things God held against us?
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Yes, It was put inside.
Requiring the priest once a year to enter the most holy place. And spill blood on top f the ark, so the cherub could not see what was inside the ark, thus symbolically covering the sin of the people.
Do you understand what the atonement is?
So you believe all the wicked physicall body will be burn and become ashes?
In the history of mankind, not every wicked physical body being burn, some are buried, and some that are burn become ashes, the ashes is not under the sole of your feet.
Some believer are Leo burn under Rome and catholic persecution. It prove that verse is figurative.
Not the most popular idea yet one that I think has some merit. Again the word sabbath means rest with no other meaning attached to it.
There is a ceremonial rest one day a week in lieu of a ceremonial fast as a shadow , a day to get the gospel, the bread of new life out into the world set aside from the routine 6 days of work we needed to maintain these bodies of death. And there is a rest represented as to those who mix faith in what they do hear the gospel coming from God. It is timeless as in today all day every day if we do hear his voice and harden our hearts we have received His Sabbath rest..(Hebrews 4)
Changing the words Sabbath to a new meaning "twice a week" when clearly we fast once the sabbath shows someone added meaning to the word. When the verse was inspired the Kosher law of men as a oral tradition had developed three meals on the Sabbath , The man who was boasting falsely said he only fasted twice in a hope it would as a sign confirm he was heard on high.
Luke 18:11-13 King James Version (KJV) The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, (Sabbath) I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
The plural twice is in respect to the sabbath one. Twice a week does not equal sabbath a non time sensitive word .
We do not judge one another in respect to a shadow .Some go out with the gospel on their day off and are heard on high and others stay home or gather with others of like mind.
Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Its one of those doctrines that gets revisited.
How difficult does God make salvation?
Much depends on what kind of shaking or fear? Does God shake the hell out of us . Would any of us that has not freely received a new spirit that will be raised on the last day?
If even one transgression was taken into account who could stand before his throne of grace and receive mercy..?? God is merciful not merciless as a continuing suffering..
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Those whose spirit has returned to the father and their earthen bodies of death return to the dust of the Feild will simply not rise to new spirit life on the last day .
Psalm 130 King James Version (KJV) Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O Lord. Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications. If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared. I wait for the Lord, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning. Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption. And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
He will not redeem those who are not given a new spirit and new heart. Hell is a living suffering the lack the rest we do have when and if we do harden our hearts.
The restless wander, Cain thought it was more of a punshment than he he could bear .We know Christ did bear the suffering as a living hell.... he is our rest.
Okay, I got the SDA commandments thing nailed down now:
They are trying to make a distinction between the commandments and the ceremonial law. Thats how they "Keep the Sabbath" without actuallly obeying what God said to do/not to do on the Sabbath.
Here is a good article debunking that idea: http://www.bible.ca/7-2laws.htm
(And many other sabbatarian arguments)
They are trying to make a distinction between the commandments and the ceremonial law. Thats how they "Keep the Sabbath" without actuallly obeying what God said to do/not to do on the Sabbath.
Here is a good article debunking that idea: http://www.bible.ca/7-2laws.htm
(And many other sabbatarian arguments)
Did Bibleonly the OP come back to respond?
It seems a bit disingenous to start a thread and then leave it for others to answer if they are the ones saying they are going to respond to questions...?!
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Oh ok I just dont really want to wade through 15 pages of arguments to find them.
Either way there is a lot to consider as far as to the extent of the fate of the ones that are lost. You provided some excellent information on this topic.
Most, if not all Catholics are as Christian as any other denomination. I would not gather together with Satanist at all, and no other Christian should either. I don't see anything wrong at all in having fellowship with Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Jesus, when talking with a group that believed in Him said that there were others not of this fold that He must gather in also. Based on your posts I would say that your world in isolated and limited in nature. What religion or denomination that you attend and in what way do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
Based on your observations what type of stuff is typically added to the finished work of Christ Jesus. that would be considered works? In the book of James it explicitly states that faith without works is a dead faith. The works in themselves do not save but rather are a manifestation of ones salvation.
I agree that no one has received the mark of the beast yet because that is still in the future. Regarding the internet, as we both have agreed no one has taken the mark of the beast yet so anyone is still free to sell or buy. For the record, I am not an SDA but rather a Catholic. My wife is an SDA. Not sure where you are getting at with computers and internet, makes absolutely no sense since there is no one who currently cannot buy or sell.